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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:02 am
by Quilford
yep, in hindsight I should've gone with the 'no scum would do something so blatantly anti-town as keep their talking to a minimum'
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:02 am
by Quilford
↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:So let's start with a look at the general flow of votes:
↑ Crazy wrote:Maruchan
(1) - hiplop
Timeater
(4) - Quilford, Packbat, Pomegranate, Lurconis
Not voting
(4) - Tovarish, Johhog, Twistedspoon, Shadow Dancer
Quilford votes for Time pretty soon and it becomes immidiately clear that maru's anti-town play would cause an almost undisputed wake of outrage against him. So Pack, Pom and Lurc all jumping onto the waggon in short succession cannot surprise, even if all three of them are scum, after all it was both in scum's best interest to vote their buddy and even by far the safer and more unquestionable spot to put one's vote.
↑ Crazy wrote:Maruchan
(1) - hiplop
Timeater
(5) - Quilford, Pomegranate, Lurconis, Shadow Dancer, Twistedspoon
Not voting
(3) - Tovarish, Packbat, Johhog
Packbat unvotes after his buddies stacked on the waggon and it becam apparent that town would drive it through without much scum interference required...
↑ Crazy wrote:Johhog
(2) - Shadow Dancer, Twistedspoon
Pomegranate
(0)
Not voting
(5) - Packbat, Duplicity, Lurconis, hiplop, Quilford
The Joh waggon starts of with two fast town votes on it.
↑ Crazy wrote:Johhog
(3) - Shadow Dancer, Twistedspoon, Duplicity
Pomegranate
(1) - Packbat
Not voting
(3) - Lurconis, hiplop, Quilford
A third town vote on the Joh waggon, things get pretty narrow for scum. Packbat, obviously destined to play the role of "bad scum" tries to establish at least somewhat of a counterdynamic - for more than shady reasons (more aout that later).
↑ Crazy wrote:Johhog
(3) - Shadow Dancer, Twistedspoon, Duplicity
Pomegranate
(2) - Packbat, Quilford
Not voting
(2) - Lurconis, hiplop
Quilford, predisposed to fall for bad scum WIFOM, falls for it, however, it's still pretty bad for scum and they'd have to stack all their votes to succeed in pushing the Pom waggon through, which would eventually and almost inevitably expose them to suspicion on all of them.
↑ Crazy wrote:Johhog
(4) - Shadow Dancer, Twistedspoon, Duplicity, Lurconis
Pomegranate
(2) - Packbat, Quilford
Not voting
(1) - hiplop
So Lurc decides to think in longer terms and go for some easy town credits on an already unstopable ttown waggon by quickhammering Joh.
↑ Crazy wrote:Twistedspoon
(1) - Lurconis
hiplop
(0)
Not voting
(4) - Packbat, Duplicity, Quilford, Shadow Dancer
Hip was obviously picked by scum for supposedly having realistic chances to beat Twisted, not to get rid of dead weight. However, scum also have to take into consideration that they'd eventually have to win at least one more election to have any chances of victory. There only halfway promissing candidate left is Lurc and another shady vote would not look good on him, so he decides that he'd better play it safe this time and be the first one on the town waggon.
↑ Crazy wrote:Twistedspoon
(1) - Lurconis
hiplop
(1) - Packbat
Not voting
(3) - Duplicity, Quilford, Shadow Dancer
Now it's starting to become interesting. I withhold my vote to see what Pack would do if he cannot bring forth connective WIFOM to justify a misvote - and unsurprisingly he places it on hip, equaling out the waggons (double voting Twisted would have obviously been a terrible move for scum), justification for the vote? - nil.
↑ Crazy wrote:Twistedspoon
(2) - Lurconis, Shadow Dancer
hiplop
(1) - Packbat
Not voting
(2) - Quilford, Duplicity
I place my vote as planned....
↑ Crazy wrote:Twistedspoon
(3) - Lurconis, Shadow Dancer, Quilford
hiplop
(1) - Packbat
Not voting
(1) - Duplicity
Twistedspoon has been elected. He was a
.
hiplop has been lynched. He was
And Quilford hammers...
↑ Crazy wrote:Lurconis
(1) - Quilford
Shadow Dancer
(0)
Not voting
(2) - Packbat, Duplicity
Quilford spontaneously votes Lurc...
↑ Crazy wrote:Lurconis
(1) - Packbat
Shadow Dancer
(0)
Not voting
(2) - Duplicity, Quilford
And guess what happens when people actually try to question their votes and start real scumhunting? Packbat's there to try and safe the day by voting his scum buddy.
If this little abstract did not convince you or you think I just mention the one interpretation among many that seems to suit me the most - then you'll have to wait for my further analysis on individual player behaviour.
By the way, SD, this made me not vote for you
It was pure recounting
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:04 am
by Quilford
↑ Lurconis wrote:Anyway reads as they stand: ShadowDancer (Confirmed Scum) Duplicity (Scum) Packbat (Village Idiot) Quillford (Town)
anyway now we have this delicious bit of WIFOM to deal with
*braces for Duplicity's wrath*
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:05 am
by Quilford
↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:No, all we will do is tell scum whom
they
should nominate. They are overhelming in numbers, thaey have the second pick and they can beat any town strategy.
So I won't discuss non-nominated players. And I won't nominate players to volunteer because that would require me to give my reads.
I trust no one. It's the only winning strategy. The sooner you realize this the better.
This idea is so dumb, though.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:07 am
by Quilford
Also the WIFOM of 'would Packbat really vote all the scum players as scum'.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:10 am
by Quilford
Oh well, pretty sure Duplicity's scum.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:12 am
by Quilford
Pretty sure I'll be up against them tomorrow, too
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:15 am
by Shadow Dancer
I'll spare you the rest of my analysis, Dup has enough brain of his own I guess and It'd be lost on whoever of the other two is the last town anyway, I've got better things to do with my time.
Quil wrote:yep, in hindsight I should've gone with the 'no scum would do something so blatantly anti-town as keep their talking to a minimum'[/quil]
If you are town what you should have done "in hindsight" is waiting for the rest of my analysis, where I point out how blatantly Lurc was bussing his alleged buddy Pack (dominant tactic if scum can influence the timing of their flips!) and how both of them where trying to misrepresent my approach when rushing a lynch or vote or general scummy lurking seemed appropriate for them... Just to name some highlights.
How Packbat's pseudo-WIFOMy justifications for his votes can almost impossibly come from a townie doesn't need further explanations, I guess. You'l have do the work yourself now.
By the way, SD, this made me not vote for you
It was pure recounting
Did you miss the part where I promissed the actual justifications for today? One of the most important virtues for playing mafia is patience.
Lurc wrote:Anyway reads as they stand: ShadowDancer (Confirmed Scum) Duplicity (Scum) Packbat (Village Idiot) Quillford (Town)
anyway now we have this delicious bit of WIFOM to deal with
*braces for Duplicity's wrath*
Yeah, the most likely town is suddenly scum, the guy he bussed all game is now just VI and poor newbie Quilford gets his ration of buddying...
Also the WIFOM of 'would Packbat really vote all the scum players as scum'.
Yes, he would, Pom and Hip nominations were aimed at winning and not dropping dead weight. Scum never wanted to drag this out so long and having one member consistently vote "wrong" while bussing him is not the worst thing to do, especially if you can pick a newbie for the task.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:16 am
by Shadow Dancer
@Crazy: Please fix the tags.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:23 am
by Quilford
Shadow Dancer, don't give me this 'I've got better things to do with my time' bullshit, you were clearly our weakest link -- scumreads on you were near universal and you absolutely refused to post anything resembling content until you were under the knife.
Screw patience, I wanted a flip.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:31 am
by Quilford
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(1) -
hiplop
(4) -
Quilford
, Packbat,
Pomegranate
,
Lurconis
Not voting
(4) - Tovarish,
Johhog
,
Twistedspoon
,
Shadow Dancer
The first candidate to receive 5 votes will be elected.
Deadline is
August 17th
.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(1) -
hiplop
(5) -
Quilford
,
Pomegranate
,
Lurconis
,
Shadow Dancer
,
Twistedspoon
Not voting
(3) - Tovarish, Packbat,
Johhog
Timeater
has been elected. He was
.
Maruchan
has been lynched. He was a
.
It is now
Day 2, Morning.
You have until
August 18th
for someone to volunteer.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(2) -
Shadow Dancer
,
Twistedspoon
(0)
Not voting
(5) - Packbat, Duplicity,
Lurconis
,
hiplop
,
Quilford
The first candidate to receive 4 votes will be elected.
Deadline is
August 25th
.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(3) -
Shadow Dancer
,
Twistedspoon
, Duplicity
(1) - Packbat
Not voting
(3) -
Lurconis
,
hiplop
,
Quilford
The first candidate to receive 4 votes will be elected.
Deadline is
August 25th
.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(3) -
Shadow Dancer
,
Twistedspoon
, Duplicity
(2) - Packbat,
Quilford
Not voting
(2) -
Lurconis
,
hiplop
The first candidate to receive 4 votes will be elected.
Deadline is
August 25th
.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(4) -
Shadow Dancer
,
Twistedspoon
, Duplicity,
Lurconis
(2) - Packbat,
Quilford
Not voting
(1) -
hiplop
Johhog
has been elected. He was a
.
Pomegranate
has been lynched. She was
.
It is now
Day 3, Morning
. The deadline is
August 28th
.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(1) -
Lurconis
(0)
Not voting
(4) - Packbat, Duplicity,
Quilford
,
Shadow Dancer
The first candidate to receive 3 votes will be elected.
Deadline is
August 31st
.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(1) -
Lurconis
(1) - Packbat
Not voting
(3) - Duplicity,
Quilford
,
Shadow Dancer
The first candidate to receive 3 votes will be elected.
Deadline is
August 31st
.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(2) -
Lurconis
,
Shadow Dancer
(1) - Packbat
Not voting
(2) -
Quilford
, Duplicity
The first candidate to receive 3 votes will be elected.
Deadline is
August 31st
.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(3) -
Lurconis
,
Shadow Dancer
,
Quilford
(1) - Packbat
Not voting
(1) - Duplicity
Twistedspoon
has been elected. He was a
.
hiplop
has been lynched. He was
.
It is now Day 4, Morning. Deadline is
September 4th
.
↑ Crazy wrote:Vote Count:
(2) - Packbat(,
Quilford
)
(0)
Not voting
(1) - Duplicity
The first candidate to receive 2 votes will be elected.
Deadline is
September 7th
.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:43 am
by Quilford
↑ Pomegranate wrote:Lurconis, that was a freakin stupid move.
Quil and Pack are town. I'm having trouble getting a read on Duplicity.
For reference.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:45 am
by Quilford
↑ Lurconis wrote:ShadowDancer (Confirmed Scum) Duplicity (Scum) Packbat (Village Idiot) Quillford (Town)
also for reference
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:50 am
by Quilford
↑ Duplicity wrote:Pomegranate wrote:Lurconis, that was a freakin stupid move. Quil and Pack are town. I'm having trouble getting a read on Duplicity.
Why the fuck did you attempt to theorize over whether Johhog self nominated as scum instead of actually convincing me you were town. Jesus fucking christ.
Relatively sure TS is town, don't think he'd have suggested to have his scum partner be nominated. Quilford is scum who voted Pom to get town-cred, unsure on Packbat now though. Lurcs hammer on Pom is opportunistic scum without a doubt though.
↑ Duplicity wrote:Twistedspoon wrote:I was just so sure Johog was town and pom scum...
As was I, before replacing in I was following this and was near positive of Pomscum and Johhog town and Poms reaction towards being nominated near solidified that but her post-hammer comment is making me feel really nervous.
yyyyyyyyeah these are town posts
Duplicity should nominate themselves
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:51 am
by Quilford
...
I don't knowwwww
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:07 am
by Packbat
I still think Lurconis is town, honestly.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:10 am
by Packbat
I'd probably want Duplicity to self-nom too.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:58 am
by Crazy
Vote Count:
Lurconis
(2) - Packbat, Quilford
Shadow Dancer
(0)
Not voting
(1) - Duplicity
Lurconis has been elected. He was
.
Shadow Dancer has been lynched. He was a
.
It is now
Day 5, Morning
.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:59 am
by Packbat
I will not self-nom.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:39 am
by Duplicity
Fuck sakes, I don't understand the need to hammer at that point yesterday. Lurc was getting forced into a corner when it came to having to explain his attempts at 'gaining reads' elsewhere rather than pushing for his election which town would have done if it looked likely that they'd be elected on a town autowin position.
This game really needed to end yesterday, I'm severely lacking the time that a lylo deserves but I'll force Shift into actually spending more time on this game. I have a good idea who the last mafia is at this point but I'll find out for sure soon.
Join Election
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:00 am
by Crazy
Duplicity
will be part of the final election.
If Duplicity is Mafia, then the Afternoon phase will end as soon as he sends me a PM selecting his opponent.
If Duplicity is Town, then the Afternoon phase will end as soon as he sends me any PM.
This is obviously done to avoid any deducing of anybody's alignment based on the length of the Afternoon phase.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:36 pm
by Crazy
Packbat
will oppose
Duplicity
.
Vote Count:
Duplicity
(0)
Packbat
(0)
Not voting
(1) - Quilford
The first candidate to receive Quilford's vote will be elected.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:13 pm
by Packbat
Well, that answers that question. Quilford, any questions you have, ask away - I'll answer them as completely and honestly as I can.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:23 pm
by Packbat
D1: Maruchan (volunteered @4) vs. Timeater (selected)
Post# Voter |
Maruchan
Timeater
|
-------------------|-------------------|
8
Quilford
| . V |
9 Packbat | . V |
17
Pomegranate
| . V* | * L-2
30
Lurconis
| . V† | † L-1
41
hiplop
| V 4 |
77 Packbat | 1 u |
127
Shadow Dancer
| 1 V† |
131
Johhog
| V 4 |
133
Johhog
| u 4 |
142
Twistedspoon
| V 4 |
144
Twistedspoon
| u ~V~ | ===[]
-------------------|-------------------|
| 1 5 | Timeater = scum
D2: Johhog (volunteered @392) vs. Pomegranate (selected)
Post# Voter |
Johhog
Pomegranate
|
-------------------|--------------------|
420
Shadow Dancer
| V . |
425
Twistedspoon
| V* . | * L-2
447 Duplicity | V† . | † L-1
458 Packbat | 3 V |
464
Quilford
| 3 V* | * L-2
474
Lurconis
| ~V~ 2 | ===[]
-------------------|--------------------|
| 4 2 | Johhog = Townie
D3: Twistedspoon (volunteered @525) vs. hiplop (selected)
Post# Voter |
Twistedspoon
hiplop
|
-------------------|---------------------|
535
Lurconis
| V . |
570 Packbat | 1 V |
608 Duplicity | 1 V† | † L-1
611
Shadow Dancer
| V† 2 |
612 Duplicity | 2 u |
621
Quilford
| ~V~ 1 | ===[]
-------------------|---------------------|
| 3 1 | Twistedspoon = Townie
D4: Lurconis (volunteered @634) vs. Shadow Dancer (selected)
Post # Voter |
Lurconis
Shadow Dancer
|
-------------------|------------------------|
647
Quilford
| V . |
655 Duplicity | x . | x = fake vote
662
Quilford
| u . |
669 Packbat | V . |
695
Quilford
| ~V~ . | ===[]
-------------------|------------------------|
| 2 0 | Lurconis = Scum
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:09 pm
by Quilford
Thank god.