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In post 678, Svenskt Stål wrote: Hey raven, can you tell me why you are against a GCBC lynch? What do you see that I dont?

I’m against it because I have a strong town read on them. There play has been very critical, and I’ve found their analyses very helpful.
And I really don’t see scum doing that vig test that they pulled earlier.

Also could you sum up what you think Krabs most scummy actions are?

The scummiest things he’s done imo:
1. His reaction to the vig test, he didn’t even understand what Cops had written yet took the opportunity to switch to that wagon when he saw some ‘peculiar’ play.
2. His AtE when his wagon only had 6 votes, and he started dropping hints that he’s got a PR but would also say his lynch is inevitable?? If he really had a PR he wouldn’t be saying his lynch is inevitable.
3. His nonsense about setting mousetraps for scum.
4. His avoidance of questions. Especially as I really would like to see him explain how apparently being condescending is only something scum do and never townies.

In post 697, The Goat wrote:

In post 646, Nero Cain wrote:lets get some votes on Goat.

vote:goat

To be fair, this is what raised my eyebrows as a "vendetta." Not just voting me, but calling for others to do so. Struck me as odd.

In post 647, Ravenpaw wrote:Why Goat again?

In post 648, Nero Cain wrote:Why not Goat?

Then this exchange. Seemingly without reason, and reluctance to GIVE a reason.

Are you serious here? You do know that you have to get others to join a wagon to secure a lynch, why you think that's scummy or "proof" of a vendetta is beyond me.

I also found it odd that in claiming I had a vendetta against you, you ignored post 415 which list some early reasoning as to why I suspected you. Why did you instead claim that my RVS/joke post was my reasoning for the vendetta?

Just 'cause I didn't give my reasoning right off doesn't mean I wasn't. My asking Raven why I shouldn't suspect you is a pretty important question.

Then in post 669, after I call you on it, you do this:

In post 669, Nero Cain wrote:In post 66 Goat votes for Squid for voting Monkey. Angel agreed with this and GCBC also voted Monkey so its some selective scumhunting.

In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them.

Then in 663 he's claiming that I have a vendetta against him for an obvious joke post. I mean yuck.

Pretty much all his other posts are fluff. I want your top 4 scum reads.

Again, I fluff on Day 1. Always have, always will.

Here's what I really dislike about your most recent quoted post - you're being very selective (if not flat-out lying) with your reasoning:

1) "In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them. "

No kidding. Here's the actual post. I'm gonna bold a couple important parts.

In post 494, The Goat wrote:

In post 415, Nero Cain wrote:Raven: I don't really care for any of Goats 5 posts he was not posting here but still playing in his other gamea. Put your vote on him and lets see what he does.

If you read the game you're referring to, it's pretty damned evident I was phone posting and trying to prevent the town from doing something abysmally stupid.

For those who have commented on my slacking, I do that a lot on D1. The manic and outrageous finger-pointing and stick-poking wears on me, so, admittedly...I let others do it. I like to have fun on D1.

I said I will analyze and post tomorrow. And I will.

FWIW, my early read on Nero is town.

My early read on GCBC

is scum.

The next day, as I said I would, I analyzed and posted. Here's post 553.

In post 553, The Goat wrote:

In post 548, GoodCopBadCop wrote:

I will not stop my activity. Although it will drop when my battery dies.

It will hurt town if you don't...

You complain about lurkers when you're making catching up way harder for them. If I was a day Vig, i'd kill you now. You piss me off.

In fact:

Vig: Sven

Good riddance.

This was the icing on the cake.

vote GCBC

Well first of all, I disagree that you sayin' "STOP PICKING ON ME!!!" is calling out my lack of reasoning against you. I also don't really think that coming in the next day and laying down a vote on your top suspect is "analyzing" anything. Considering that there's more than 1 scum in this game...your lack of motivation to hunt for scum is alarming.
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In post 697, The Goat wrote: My top four scumreads WERE GCBC, Desperado, Ferret, and Krab...but rereading and doing ISOs made me realize that I need to read this a little more thoroughly, because I didn't realize how diametrically opposed two of those scum reads are to the other two.

Where is squid on this list?

Why is your RVS vote your #2 scumread?

In post 700, Ravenpaw wrote:

In post 678, Svenskt Stål wrote: Hey raven, can you tell me why you are against a GCBC lynch? What do you see that I dont?

I’m against it because I have a strong town read on them. There play has been very critical, and I’ve found their analyses very helpful.
And I really don’t see scum doing that vig test that they pulled earlier.

I agree with this. What does this make you think of Goat?

Also could you sum up what you think Krabs most scummy actions are?

The scummiest things he’s done imo:
1. His reaction to the vig test, he didn’t even understand what Cops had written yet took the opportunity to switch to that wagon when he saw some ‘peculiar’ play.

Yet so did Goat. Desperado's reaction is the one that I like least.

VOTE: gcbc

I shouldnt have left the wagon, will go malcolm if that wagon is runned up thou.

Not gonna derail Gcbc.

@ Nero can you go into more detail about that? A couple other players have said they had the opposite reaction.

In post 702, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 697, The Goat wrote: My top four scumreads WERE GCBC, Desperado, Ferret, and Krab...but rereading and doing ISOs made me realize that I need to read this a little more thoroughly, because I didn't realize how diametrically opposed two of those scum reads are to the other two.

Where is squid on this list?

Why is your RVS vote your #2 scumread?

Because of his follow of GCBC.

Again, the more I look at it, the more I'm starting to believe him.

In post 701, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 697, The Goat wrote:

In post 646, Nero Cain wrote:lets get some votes on Goat.

vote:goat

To be fair, this is what raised my eyebrows as a "vendetta." Not just voting me, but calling for others to do so. Struck me as odd.

In post 647, Ravenpaw wrote:Why Goat again?

In post 648, Nero Cain wrote:Why not Goat?

Then this exchange. Seemingly without reason, and reluctance to GIVE a reason.

Are you serious here? You do know that you have to get others to join a wagon to secure a lynch, why you think that's scummy or "proof" of a vendetta is beyond me.

I also found it odd that in claiming I had a vendetta against you, you ignored post 415 which

DOES

list some early reasoning as to why I suspected you. Why did you instead claim that my RVS/joke post was my reasoning for the vendetta?

Just 'cause I didn't give my reasoning right off doesn't mean I wasn't. My asking Raven why I shouldn't suspect you is a pretty important question.

Then in post 669, after I call you on it, you do this:

In post 669, Nero Cain wrote:In post 66 Goat votes for Squid for voting Monkey. Angel agreed with this and GCBC also voted Monkey so its some selective scumhunting.

In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them.

Then in 663 he's claiming that I have a vendetta against him for an obvious joke post. I mean yuck.

Pretty much all his other posts are fluff. I want your top 4 scum reads.

Again, I fluff on Day 1. Always have, always will.

Here's what I really dislike about your most recent quoted post - you're being very selective (if not flat-out lying) with your reasoning:

1) "In 494 he calls GCBC scum but waits until 553 to vote them. "

No kidding. Here's the actual post. I'm gonna bold a couple important parts.

In post 494, The Goat wrote:

In post 415, Nero Cain wrote:Raven: I don't really care for any of Goats 5 posts he was not posting here but still playing in his other gamea. Put your vote on him and lets see what he does.

If you read the game you're referring to, it's pretty damned evident I was phone posting and trying to prevent the town from doing something abysmally stupid.

For those who have commented on my slacking, I do that a lot on D1. The manic and outrageous finger-pointing and stick-poking wears on me, so, admittedly...I let others do it. I like to have fun on D1.

I said I will analyze and post tomorrow. And I will.

FWIW, my early read on Nero is town.

My early read on GCBC

is scum.

The next day, as I said I would, I analyzed and posted. Here's post 553.

In post 553, The Goat wrote:

In post 548, GoodCopBadCop wrote:

I will not stop my activity. Although it will drop when my battery dies.

It will hurt town if you don't...

You complain about lurkers when you're making catching up way harder for them. If I was a day Vig, i'd kill you now. You piss me off.

In fact:

Vig: Sven

Good riddance.

This was the icing on the cake.

vote GCBC

Well first of all, I disagree that you sayin' "STOP PICKING ON ME!!!" is calling out my lack of reasoning against you. I also don't really think that coming in the next day and laying down a vote on your top suspect is "analyzing" anything. Considering that there's more than 1 scum in this game...your lack of motivation to hunt for scum is alarming.

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Never said stop picking on me. Just found it odd.

And I would absolutely love to hunt for scum. Have I answered your questions to your satisfaction, or is there more minutia you'd like to discuss?

Hello, I'm back. I have seen this stuff and have felt that the Krab wagon is unneeded. Goat, however, has been much worse. If you're drunk, then don't play werewolf.

In post 706, The Goat wrote:

In post 702, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 697, The Goat wrote: My top four scumreads WERE GCBC, Desperado, Ferret, and Krab...but rereading and doing ISOs made me realize that I need to read this a little more thoroughly, because I didn't realize how diametrically opposed two of those scum reads are to the other two.

Where is squid on this list?

Why is your RVS vote your #2 scumread?

Because of his follow of GCBC.

Again, the more I look at it, the more I'm starting to believe him.

the fuck is this shit?!? Squid never voted for GCBC...nor did Despo.

None of this makes any sense what-so-ever. Can you explain this noobie style?

In post 707, The Goat wrote:And I would absolutely love to hunt for scum. Have I answered your questions to your satisfaction, or is there more minutia you'd like to discuss?

can't tell if snark is immature town or pissed off scum.

Why did you seemingly not "hunt" until I asked you for your top scum reads?

In post 705, Desperado wrote:@ Nero can you go into more detail about that? A couple other players have said they had the opposite reaction.

Your "woah"-"full claim" seems kinda cautious and then jumping onto the Krabs wagon seemed a bit opportunistic.

++++

the fact Goat has you as a scum read for fuck all really makes me weary.

THE CHAMP






IS

You have saddened me, FuDuzn.

In post 689, GoodCopBadCop wrote:@Goat - I mean, it would've been so easy for Bad cop to say "Oh ma gerd, I was so drunk when I made those posts". The drunk is excuse is a perfect excuse for scum.

In post 708, ferretlover wrote:Goat, however, has been much worse. If you're drunk, then don't play werewolf.

Watching people get suspicious of Goat for drunk-posting makes me scrunch up my face. Is this really a valid reason for suspicion? Really? If I was Scum and I got got drunk, I imagine I'd want to stay far away from this site for fear of drunkenly revealing my alignment.

In post 673, Svenskt Stål wrote:Yes my " we are not lynching krabs" was bad.

I dont like the lynch.

Can you elaborate a bit on why you think Krab is a bad lynch choice for today? You do say on page 13 that you're adding Krab to your Town pile, but you don't really go into detail about it and everything after that is just "Don't lynch Krab; I've got a Town read on him." I'm also not convinced that Post 637 is a good reason to avoid lynching someone. As others have pointed out, emotional outbursts can come from either alignment. The fact that he also hasn't posted since then makes me think that perhaps he's angry about being caught, so he took his ball and went home.

I do still have you as a Town read, Sven, so I'd like to know where you're coming from in regards to Krab.

In post 708, ferretlover wrote:I have seen this stuff and have felt that the Krab wagon is unneeded.

Elaborate.

And while you're at it, please elaborate on your Goat vote as well. Post 708 is the first time you mention him all game, but now all the sudden he's scummy for drunk-posting? What?

Scum do fake claim drunk posting though.

In post 715, Nero Cain wrote:Scum do fake claim drunk posting though.

Oh, shut up.

Read those posts over and it seems like it was legit drunkeness. The next time this happens, policy lynch *points to Goat*

In post 708, ferretlover wrote:Hello, I'm back. I have seen this stuff and have felt that the Krab wagon is unneeded. Goat, however, has been much worse.

If you're drunk, then don't play werewolf.

UNVOTE
VOTE: THE GOAT

You are staggeringly mistaken. Go to :sj: and ask.

If you desire, I can go get references.

ok so you were actually drunk, just scum. Thanks for clearing that up.

In post 717, ferretlover wrote:Read those posts over and it seems like it was legit drunkeness. The next time this happens, policy lynch *points to Goat*

You know who hides behind policy lynches?

Please. Pursue this.

In post 719, Nero Cain wrote:ok so you were actually drunk, just scum. Thanks for clearing that up.

Pretty sure what you meant to say was "weren't".

If you're going to be a jackass, please at least be grammatically correct and a jackass.

In post 710, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 706, The Goat wrote:

In post 702, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 697, The Goat wrote: My top four scumreads WERE GCBC, Desperado, Ferret, and Krab...but rereading and doing ISOs made me realize that I need to read this a little more thoroughly, because I didn't realize how diametrically opposed two of those scum reads are to the other two.

Where is squid on this list?

Why is your RVS vote your #2 scumread?

Because of his follow of GCBC.

Again, the more I look at it, the more I'm starting to believe him.

the fuck is this shit?!? Squid never voted for GCBC...nor did Despo.

None of this makes any sense what-so-ever. Can you explain this noobie style?

Hello, Nero.

Just out of curiosity...what color is the sky in your world?

My #2 scumread was Desperado. Please follow the "was" part.

Here's what I'm referring to as "his follow" of GCBC...because he followed GCBC:

In post 563, Desperado wrote:

In post 561, GoodCopBadCop wrote:It was a reaction test.

Ah, I see what you were doing. Combined with Krab's earlier association with ferret, I think I'm going to move here

Unvote: Ferret
Vote: Krab Bucket

You okay now?

So snarky and defensive. Dude, you haven't provided ANY reads other than the ones in 697. So I'm going to ask you about the ones given.

I still think its silly of you to be giving Despo town cred for sheeping your #1 scumread.

Still doesn't explain why Squid is no longer a scum read.

I still don't follow you like at all, its like your bouncing here and there. Just w/e. Be sure to ask your scumbuddies to give you some help tonight.

In post 723, Nero Cain wrote:So snarky and defensive. Dude, you haven't provided ANY reads other than the ones in 697. So I'm going to ask you about the ones given.

I still think its silly of you to be giving Despo town cred for sheeping your #1 scumread.

Still doesn't explain why Squid is no longer a scum read.

I still don't follow you like at all, its like your bouncing here and there. Just w/e. Be sure to ask your scumbuddies to give you some help tonight.

Again.

Please try to listen...or at least think. I have explained, "noob style" as you sarcastically asked, why Desperado was a scum read at one point. I am, and will continue to,
look at what GCBC is doing to determine if I want to pursue it. I have not pursued Squidward because of his subsequent posts.

Let me put this you as you've put it to me:

Is this satisfactory for you, or do your scumbuddies want to try and frame someone else for shit they didn't do?