Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Daemon385]

Right now the people I'm really looking at as scum or possible scum are as listed from most scummiest to least.

1.Scott I've mentioned through out most of the game how I feel he is scummy. At one point I felt NicCage was more of a need to lynch then him but it is more of a gut feeling for Nic then it is Scott. I feel he has been scummy and careless with what happens with the town. Nor do I feel he has made much of an effort to be town.

2. NicCage. Now that he has kind of given me more of a reason to believe he may be town it helps his case a bit with me but something still kind of bothers me with him but I am not quite sure yet. He is more of a gut.

3.GoodCopBadCop. While I feel he has been aggressive with some topics to get information I feel there may be something behind what these two are working on. I feel the aggression is a bit less townie and more for themselves. I could just be iffy on the issue but I feel like GoodCopBadCop has been kind of working on their own. And following when it feels convenient. But do feel that they may be town. Or at least I want to think they are.

4.Hapahauli. Now this is much more of me being a skeptic. Now it is good you are the most vocal player in the game and trying to get somewhere. I do think you are town, but I can see how doing all that you have will keep you alive if you were part of the scum. Which would help you turn the tables more to your whim to achieve your goal. You do have a good deal of support I've noticed through the game which can make you dangerous for either side. For right now I think your town but I do worry if you are scum. If you are your playing us quite well. Now needless to say you don't have all the power. This is probably not neither a gut nor a positive scum read, but just my skepticism.

Those are all I have right now that I have been looking into. May not be the best read list though >.<

[NicCage]

I don't know. I guess I can go back and reread, but I don't really want to make too much out of meta. After all, there are 2 players there.

But yes, I felt that he was more obv town in those two games. This is really a gut feeling. Cheery Pie is asking directed questions too so I can't exactly tell. If you're looking for a Cheery wagon this might not be the time.

[Daemon385]

Oh and ACfan as well is on there probobly should be 3 instead because I really am not sure if he is the PR or not. Or if he is if he is the scum with a PR. I feel I disbelieve it more then believe it, but it is risky to try and lynch him if he is. I maybe trust his claim about....60% sureness. I don't know what to say on this case though really. It is a risky shot, but he could be lying.

[Cheery Pie]

It can't be a full 180 if he never actually had a scum read there.

anyway on with this game, as I said before, I'm not in support of a flash wagon happening on anyone, so can we hurry up and lynch NC?

Why do you want to lynch someone that's acting Obvtown in the last few hours?

Because it's seriously still the only lynch that can happen.
I'd also settle for acfan, but I consider flash wagons to be going for luck.

A confirmed town from a wagon that has built up all day is better than one that came in the last 10 hours of a day - simply because there are more reactions to deal with.

Playing obvtown when you're nearly lynched is always a bad choice.

We can talk about lynching different people, but unless someone actually commits a vote, it's just not going to happen, and even then nothing is going to change - see the Toomai and Scott wagons from last time we were this close to deadline.

[NicCage]

The fact you chose toomai was extremely weird.

Wat.

You mean, the other guy that hp mentioned?

Those two reasons just feel weak, I don't know why you think they're as strong as you do/did. This is why I would expect you to try to get more out of me, the person you're trying to tunnel, to make sure you had the wrong person. The certainty that these reasons gave you to continue to push my lynch does not look town motivated.

[NicCage]

right person, I should say. also messed up quote

[hapahauli]

It can't be a full 180 if he never actually had a scum read there.

anyway on with this game, as I said before, I'm not in support of a flash wagon happening on anyone, so can we hurry up and lynch NC?

Why do you want to lynch someone that's acting Obvtown in the last few hours?

Because it's seriously still the only lynch that can happen.
I'd also settle for acfan, but I consider flash wagons to be going for luck.

A confirmed town from a wagon that has built up all day is better than one that came in the last 10 hours of a day - simply because there are more reactions to deal with.

Playing obvtown when you're nearly lynched is always a bad choice.

We can talk about lynching different people, but unless someone actually commits a vote, it's just not going to happen, and even then nothing is going to change - see the Toomai and Scott wagons from last time we were this close to deadline.

All these are stupid justifications and talk-arounds.

Why do you want to lynch someone that's acting townie? I don't care how late it is, it's not good.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Wat.

You mean, the other guy that hp mentioned?

Those two reasons just feel weak, I don't know why you think they're as strong as you do/did. This is why I would expect you to try to get more out of me, the person you're trying to tunnel, to make sure you had the wrong person. The certainty that these reasons gave you to continue to push my lynch does not look town motivated.

hp never mentioned toomai...

Spoiler:

post_id=4925590 time=1367597264 user_id=10128]/confirm

post_id=4926404 time=1367613228 user_id=10128]VOTE: GoodCopBadCop because I don't like random votes

post_id=4928380 time=1367671065 user_id=10128]

post_id=4926404 time=1367613228 user_id=10128]VOTE: GoodCopBadCop because I don't like random votes

##Vote hp [leaves]

'Cause you don't like random votes yet are posting a random vote in the random voting stage... wat.

Nope, I voted for the person who random voted because I don't like random votes. Bulletproof logic if you ask me.

post_id=4928383 time=1367671240 user_id=10128]Also I'm calling it, everyone after me on the Cop wagon is scum.

post_id=4928384 time=1367671342 user_id=10128]So let's start by lynching Cage.

VOTE: NicCage

[hapahauli]

VOTE: ac1938fan

We don't have enough people to lynch someone w/out votes.

I don't want to lynch NC given his recent behavior.

Let's kill the guy that's displayed he doesn't give a shit about the game and cross our fingers.

I was initially hesitant about this:

Is your argument, scum who is at L-2 and has claimed a PR is INTENTIONALLY staying off the other wagon at L-2 when there is absolutely no guarantee that they are safe? What scum does that? Really?

The only way that ac is scum is if NC is also scum and probably something he sees as more valueable than himself (even then, doesn't make much sense, grab the town points and run). Im just not seeing the point behind scum not doing any sort of self-preservation here. Really why does scum avoid that wagon in this spot? Especially when NC may very well vote ac first.

However, I don't think ac1983fan not voting NC is all that strange in retrospect (from a scum-acfan perspective). Scum support a no-lynch, and it was clear from the town dynamic that acfan wasn't at risk to get hammered.

The bottom line is that I think he has a higher chance of flipping red than NC. Since it doesn't seem likely we'd be able to swing a wagon on another player (i.e. Cheery), I'll take those odds.

[NicCage]

Oh, oops guess he didn't, sorry. Still, my point stands

[hapahauli]

As a last note,

Toomai

,

Cheery

,

Dyslexicon

should all be looked at very carefully tomorrow regardless of who flips.

Dessx

is a wild-card.

I also think

Scott

is town. I'm waffling on Scott alot these past few hours, but utimately he refused to hammer NC (and instead pursue Varsoon) when both Scott and NC were at L-1 earlier in the game. That's hard to square with hypothetical scum-Scott.

[hapahauli]

Daemon, NC, Cheery, Jake - agree or disagree? Let's get this taken care of.

[Cheery Pie]

Wat.

You mean, the other guy that hp mentioned?

Those two reasons just feel weak, I don't know why you think they're as strong as you do/did. This is why I would expect you to try to get more out of me, the person you're trying to tunnel, to make sure you had the wrong person. The certainty that these reasons gave you to continue to push my lynch does not look town motivated.

hp never mentioned toomai...

Spoiler:

post_id=4925590 time=1367597264 user_id=10128]/confirm

post_id=4926404 time=1367613228 user_id=10128]VOTE: GoodCopBadCop because I don't like random votes

post_id=4928380 time=1367671065 user_id=10128]

post_id=4926404 time=1367613228 user_id=10128]VOTE: GoodCopBadCop because I don't like random votes

##Vote hp [leaves]

'Cause you don't like random votes yet are posting a random vote in the random voting stage... wat.

Nope, I voted for the person who random voted because I don't like random votes. Bulletproof logic if you ask me.

post_id=4928383 time=1367671240 user_id=10128]Also I'm calling it, everyone after me on the Cop wagon is scum.

post_id=4928384 time=1367671342 user_id=10128]So let's start by lynching Cage.

VOTE: NicCage

#34 is calling Toomai, Nic and Scott scum.

[Daemon385]

Daemon, NC, Cheery, Jake - agree or disagree? Let's get this taken care of.

If we don't have enough time to lynch anyone with pretty much no votes on them atm then why are you suggesting myself Cherry and Jake? Which either have no votes or maybe like 1 vote? The only one on there that would go with what you yourself said would be NC

[Daemon385]

Vote:NicCage

[hapahauli]

Wow. Where the hell did everyone run off to? Seriously ><

[Cheery Pie]

VOTE: ac1938fan

We don't have enough people to lynch someone w/out votes.

I don't want to lynch NC given his recent behavior.

Let's kill the guy that's displayed he doesn't give a shit about the game and cross our fingers.

Let me get this straight, out of two wagons in which both players have felt scummy at various points throughout the day you prefer a claimed PR lynch over a claimed VT???

That is straight up BAD.

NicCage suddenly puts effort into the thread

after

he has been a large wagon for the majority of the Day and finally gets pushed to L-1 and this is supposed to mean "holy shit total confirmed townie here *unvote*"??? It means jack without a flip. Same goes for ac1983fan. The real crux of it is a case of VT claim vs PR claim, there haven't been any CC's, it's Day 1 so we got no other info to go on. So your choice baffles me, as do the last dozen or so of your posts.

[hapahauli]

I prefer possible scum over VT, yes.

Sigh. No sense in arguing with scum I suppose.
UNVOTE: ac1983fan
VOTE: Cheery Pie

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Well rollcall for a wagon into LURKFEST was depressing. If anyone wants to vote Cheery with me, I'll leave my vote here overnight. I'll try and wake-up before the lynch deadline to check in and to see if I need to hammer someone.

[Varsoon]

Vote: Cheery

Obligatory sheep

[Varsoon]

Looked over the thread.
I don't like Jake and Daemon.

Nic Cage is town.
I'm town.
Hapa can be town, too.

I really want to mod a game sometime where it's just 13 town and every night 'scum' shoots one of the thirteen. The game would end when town discovers that no one is scum.

[hapahauli]

I'd be impressed if Jake was scum. He seems to care a lot about the game (activity woooo), and his heavy involvement in the late-day clusterfuck is townie. Or at the very least, absolves him for now.

Daemon... eh... downgraded to null.

[Varsoon]

Jake could pull it off, though.
I find scum'll play town pretty heavy, especially as deadlines draw closer.

I really don't have much to add until we get a flip.
Hapa, can you refresh me on the deadline/what the current options are for town?

[Cheery Pie]

I prefer possible scum over VT, yes.

Sigh. No sense in arguing with scum I suppose.

Colour me unimpressed.

Your overwhelming or perhaps deliberate ignorance of what I said is astounding. Your vote is absolute derp and makes zero sense in the scheme of things. You're not playing pro-town. You're marching around aggressively calling people town or scum as you please and changing your stance three posts later. Trawling through your ISO is beginning to look like wading knee-deep through inconsistent accusations.

And again, just to make it clear to everyone else. NC is not confirmed town, ac1983 is not confirmed town. These two wagons are about a PR claim vs a VT claim. My other head has already made it apparent that we're against any quick lynch shenanigans on any other target. That kind of play can lead to all sorts of drama.

In other words, save your derp voting for tomorrow Hapa and actually do something that matters. Like seeing a lynch go through today.

[Varsoon]

Hapa does want to see a lynch go through.
Yours.


Durpity, durpity, doo.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I really want to mod a game sometime where it's just 13 town and every night 'scum' shoots one of the thirteen. The game would end when town discovers that no one is scum.

if nobody is scum, who is doing the shooting?