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In post 695, Shiidaji wrote:Nacho, why did you ask this.

Because I haven't decided myself.

In post 695, Shiidaji wrote:I thought Nacho was the PR ftr, especially towards the end of Day 2.

Why did you think this? Also, does this make me confirmed PR?

In post 693, Nachomamma8 wrote:Brian, why do you think ns is scum?

I never said this. I just said it's not looking good for him.

I'm townreading you right now (although not discounting super OP IC bus FTW). So it's just pretty much a toss-up between Shii and NS right now. I haven't actually had a chance yet to go through the entire game again, so yea...

Okay, so I'm just not in the mood right now because it's late and I'm tired. But tomorrow I will have the time to finally post my giant walls. Look forward to them.

Also, I would like it if Shii would provide the reasoning for his suspicion on notscience from Day 2, even if it isn't applicable anymore.

Really? You got a slight townread off a bandwagon vote?
Comments on the gambit, but doesn't provide an opinion on it (ever).
Doesn't take much for notscience to vote Titus. Takes JKM's reasoning and runs with it.
I like the confrontation.
Adequately fills the logical disconnection for her argument.
I like this post because I had the same issue with Titus.
I didn't have any opinions yet. But why ask me mine without offering yours?
What is this shit? Why not do something with it? It's not RVS anymore.
You ask for my reads again. Where are yours? What about the other players in the game? Why is it so important for you to have my reads in particular? Gaiden is in this game too!
Then why did you vote her? What did you get out of the vote? What have you gotten out of that vote?
This makes me happy that you're proving you're following the game. But, I don't know if I should be concerned of buddying at this point.
I didn't like this post. The reaction directed towards Shii was terrible. I also don't get how you got to a Verbs/Titus scumteam so fast.
There is discussion between Titus and Notscience regarding whether or not Titus was coaching me. I don't know what to make out of it, but I'm not liking it. Thoughts?
This is where I get a good townlean for notscience. There is some paranoia here, but it feels like good paranoia. Also, JKM was getting way too scummy.
I like the pick-up on Flammus, but I'm surprised this didn't ping any suspcion for you. This gave me a ton of red flags as he could have said it about anyone but chose Gaiden, one of the least active, to attribute it to.
What is this crap?
Explain. These posts just don't sit right with me because it just looks like buddying.
You disagree? Why?
Okay, this is Phok's post. But look where notscience is placed and the reasoning. Distancing?
Why not just accuse him of being scum and create pressure? If you're scum, why not just bus him?
Well, post 276 is kind of misleading based on the placement of the quotes. But how are you not able to explain it? We just spent an entire page with you forcing us off a Verbs wagon.
This goes back to the whole Verbs wagon thing. Why not just say this in the last group of posts?
Why?
JKM's slot wasn't anything spectacular and people can sub for a variety of reasons. Plus, JKM was the scummiest person on the Verbs wagon. The reasoning is weak. Shii seemed way more town to me.
Meta stuff. Not my thing.
More meta stuff talking about universal scumreads hitting town.
Whether or not you've been having luck, why not help the town do their job anyways? Right now it just feels like you are making other people do the work for you.
This post made me laugh. But in all seriousness, you just said the JKM slot was probably town.
I understand the vote change. But why Titus?
I like this post. Didn't take Nacho's post at face value.
Jumping on the wagon that I wanted to be on. (T.T) Where is the reasoning though? This was a slot you were buddying for most of the game. Now that it's about to get lynched, you force the L-1.
* notscience disappears for the rest of the day. Read into that however you wish.


*Day 2 starts with AtE and possible scum theatrics.
Why the hard push on meta? Shii isn't even voting you. Terrible reaction imo.
Patting yourself on the back? For what? Yes, you were on the wagon. Yes, you caused the L-1. No, you did not provide anything useful in getting that lynch other than providing us your vote.
Oh look! Something that slightly resembles a reads list! With no reasoning...
More meta stuff that most of the players don't care about. Instead of pushing your meta onto us, how about convincing us you're town?
Why? Why not Shii? Why do I have to do it when I've been reading Shii as town up to this point? Why does Nacho have to do it when she's been reading Shii as town since almost the beginning of the game?
Why should he? You haven't given him any reason to treat you as town.
More meta pushing that no one wants.
This isn't indicative for me, but someone else might see something.
We didn't, actually. Why so keen for a hammer? Why not wait to see what Titus has to say? Or Verbs?
Why Nacho? I thought she was in your townblock. Investigative roles are there to make the game easier for town, not to make you feel good about your reads.
Good catch.
I'm sure I understood what the first line was referring to the first time I read it. I don't anymore.
Albeit sarcastic, WIFOM?

First appearance and immediately provides discussion generating content.
Helps generate content. The IC interactions feel genuine and Nacho still finds a way to let us know his opinions without revealing everything. I'm also liking the read on Titus' slot up to this point because you were the only one who saw it this way. If you were scum, I think you would have been more likely to go with the general concensus. Also, where is the suspicion on Gaiden up to this point?
Good vote. Wasn't afraid to start the wagon.
I liked the interactions between Nacho/Verbs and Nacho/JKM. I can see the scumminess Nacho points out in JKM. Also, how do you view NS and Titus not voting the JKM slot now?
Finds a valid reason to stay off the Verbs wagon. Starts to find Gaiden suspicious. I think this is important and explains Nacho's later wagon-starting vote. Also, I'd like some elaboration on the notscience townread in this post. Good pressure on JKM.
Claims Shii is town. I have a pretty good idea why you would think this, but you should humour me and explain it anyways.
I like the reaction in this post.
I don't think this slot is indicative, but I wouldn't mind if someone provided their own thoughts on it.
Here are Nacho's initial suspicions of notscience, and I think it's warranted.
Why?
Another post I don't find indicative but decided to include anyways.
I find the reasoning against notscience to be genuine and I can see where this might be coming from.
Bert does his thing. Nacho votes Phok, the suspicious and unsorted slot from post 267.
Why? How do you feel now?
I guess so.
I like this reasoning. How do you feel about the slot being linked to notscience?
Good reaction/reasoning.
This is warranted because JKM was super scummy in my opinion.
Who is the most likely scumteam to you now?
Why are you so sure that Bert isn't scum?
Don't really see the motivation for Nacho bussing her partner at this point. The wagon was started by Nacho and was pushed pretty heavily even in the face of a Titus flashwagon.
Still pretty sure Bert is town. Meta is a scary thing.
I like this post, but only because Titus was wrong (please forgive me Titus).
What did Titus post that made you breathe more evenly?
Stands by the lynch. I'm townreading this, but I wouldn't mind other people's opinions on it.
I don't know how to read these posts. Seems adamant about getting more information at her own expense.

*Day 2 Nacho/notscience begin the day with AtE
This post seems a little too brash to me. But I'm liking the demand for investigative information.
Still a little bit brash in this post. But as a whole, I guess I like the content.
I'm assuming this is a joke.
At least until the PR comes out and nullifies both of your lynch candidates.
You rang?
Seems open to other opinions.
Too funny on the re-read.
I'm taking this advice to heart considering I tunneled pretty badly.
Getting pretty annoyed that the investigative PR hasn't outed. But this isn't indicative to me at this point.
I'm liking the paranoia.
I'm liking the openness to other people possibly being scum. Especially Flammus because the slot was pretty scummy.
Seems pretty happy to find that Titus claimed VT. I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
Still open to Titus being town. I don't know how to read these posts though.
Townblock talk.
I'm liking how Nacho can understand not everyone takes meta at face value.
Nacho presents a hard case. Flammus is screwed.
What about your position? You were in the same position as Shii!
I like the logic in this post.
I like this post a lot too.
There is a pretty hard stance on the Flammus lynch (that makes two hard stances for the wagon votes).
Nacho already planting his seeds of fear and terror into me.
I don't find the logic in this post to be indicative.
And yes. He was pretty cheeky.
Provides strong logic to support 573.
The content before this just paints Flammus as obvscum (even though he wasn't). I don't find this post indicative because there was a 50% chance of there being a doctor to protect Flammus. The confidence isn't misplaced.
Willing to take more information from obvscum Flammus.
Until it did.
Strategic tracking advice.
More reason to believe Nacho had good reason to be confident in the lynch.
I don't find this indicative because we are essentially wasting time. No one is providing any content that was opposed to hammering Flammus.
*Flammus provides some good logic towards the end, but the evidence against him was pretty damn strong. A stronger defense may have saved him.

Nacho outs the PR, which is what we needed.
Questions the townread.
I like how Nacho questions reasoning that may (or may not) be in his favor.
I like this post.
I never said this, but when you see the upcoming wall-posts, you can see my suspicions.

First appearance and catch-up post. I felt 108 was pretty genuine. I could clearly see the thought processes as I followed along through the game. A lot of the thoughts expressed in this post match mine.
Great point regarding the M-M gambit even though Verbs and I kind of ran away with it.
I like this post. Attacks Verbs because he sees a logical disconnection. Also tells notscience and me to do something useful with our votes.
Attacks the M-M gambit himself with the perfect approach. M-M ruins it by either not being active or using the gambit properly.
More concern about notscience's vote. The reaction was good though. I like how Shii questions Nacho's townread on Titus. The logic against Verbs seems good. Although I'm pretty sure Shii gets hung-up on this later on.
Shii gets hung-up on how quantified the logic in the post is. JKM later jumps on this, but I don't think his scumminess and this point are related.
I'm assuming a lot of people got a townread off of this post. In hindsight, I don't like this post. It gives me bad vibes.
I like the reaction to notscience. Gets a townish vibe on Titus based on Titus' reactions to notscience saying she was coaching me. Titus' ask for a claim nullifies this a bit. Points out that he doesn't agree with JKM's argument against Verbs, even though it leads to the same result. Gaiden starts to ping his radar. Pushes the Verbs wagon some more. Gets a townread on me. I didn't comment on it before, but this is the second post that Shii directly asks for opinions from Nacho and me. This time it regards Gaiden and notscience. I would like it if Shii can elaborate what he was thinking about those slots at this time.
Says hes getting townvibes from Titus (which I can see). Agrees with most of my stances (I'm assuming Shii and I have been on a pretty good wavelength up to this point). I can't say he was buddying me because his prior posts and reads point to my reads (especially Gaiden). I like the logic regarding mostly everything else in this post. Wait, your reads match-up closely with Phok's? Didn't that seem a little odd to you? What about his read on notscience?
I liked this post, but the quote placement seemed misleading. I like the push on notscience and the reaction.
Really? What changed your read on notscience between 226 and now?
I liked the interactions here between Shii and notscience.
Deadline day. Shiidaji appears! Says he needs to read up.
Shii doesn't catch-up in time. Expresses earliest concerns about notscience in this post (see post 307 where Nacho loses faith). Shows some confidence in the lynch based on Phok only reacting to the vote on him.
Can you explain the logic behind the scumteams for me?

Vote and logic is consistent with 439. Shows more concern for notscience (consistent with Day 1).
The logic here shows a pretty good disconnection between Gaiden and Verbs (and why Shii thinks the two cannot be linked). It also shows why notscience seems fishy in 248.
Reinforces the notscience suspicion (dammit Shii, why did I tunnel so hard?). I don't understand the part about post 178 though. Elaborate, please. But I really like the part about post 251.
Oh hey! Here's the distancing I was worried about in my first wall! I should have done this wall first.
More uneasiness regarding notscience.
I'm pretty sure I missed the whole point of these posts the first time around. I'm understanding why Shii didn't jump on the Flammus wagon from 492.
I like Shii's reaction to notscience. Notscience's reaction, not so much.
This is consistent with the way Shii has been reading notscience all game.
Hahahahahaha! Also, I do find it weird that notscience was so ready to lynch Phok after buddying the slot for most of the game.
I like this post.
Stands by his stance of Flammus being town. This is pretty consistent with previous posts.
I like this. I was being pretty scummy (and I figured I was going to be when I made some of those posts).
I'm liking Shii's reasoning. It is consistent even though I am clearly not comprehending anything Shii has been saying. This may explain why Shii ignores the discussion later on.
*I'm wondering if Titus hammered before Shii could come back from hiking in time to post. Would it have made a difference?

Why Nacho? Also, the notscience suspicion has been consistent since the end of Day 1 now.

These wall-posts are posted in the order I did them. So I highly encourage reading them in that order. If you are having trouble following or just don't care, you can skip to the spoilers. There should be questions and concerns in the wall-posts though.

Also, the wall-posts were originally generated in notepad. So if there are mistakes, typos, or unclear statements, please let me know. I encourage discussion.

@Titus: Since you are the only confirmed town, I am looking most forward to your opinions.

Meanwhile:

Acknowledged Brian. Now that I know you're town this will be interesting to work through this. I know our main objective is to find scum. Yet, if we can clear one as town, then the scum cannot win. Three towns versus one scum is a recipe for disaster given the size of the game. I'll put up my own (smaller) walls and respond to some concerns I see in the posts. For instance, you seem to think logic = town. Not always so. Nacho has to deserve some scum points for how the Flammus lynch went down.

In post 707, Titus wrote:Acknowledged Brian.

Now that I know you're town this will be interesting to work through this.

I know our main objective is to find scum. Yet, if we can clear one as town, then the scum cannot win. Three towns versus one scum is a recipe for disaster given the size of the game. I'll put up my own (smaller) walls and respond to some concerns I see in the posts. For instance, you seem to think logic = town. Not always so. Nacho has to deserve some scum points for how the Flammus lynch went down.

The bold part makes me laugh considering all your end of Day 1 scum reads ended up being town.

But yes. I do give Nacho some scum points. As for Shii, he floats back to the top of my super-awesome town vibes list. If you think otherwise, that's cool too.

DAMN

Hopefully gonna be back monday but you never know.

god that is some quality reading
congratulations, this is officially the only game i am gonna do any work whatsoever in!

post tags are p much god tier for the record and make your posts look really really pretty

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don't know what post that was but doesn't matter, so easy

I don't know how to do post tags (T.T).

And I don't want to vote yet because I want Titus' thoughts on what we do if, for whatever reason, notscience flips town.

</3 Nacho

"for whatever reason"

I'm GOING to flip town.

Not MAYBE.

Then help us out and find the scum so we don't mess up LYLO.

Have you totally ignored everything I've said today?

I haven't.

But I'm concerned about Nacho and Shii, mostly Nacho though. I'm waiting for Titus to confirm my suspicions. If you think there is anything weird about either of them, now is the time to bring it up.

Also, Shii seems to be concerned about Nacho for some reason.

You aren't conf-scum just because the game makes it look that way. If you're town, defend yourself and either find us a good town for the townblock or find us the scum.

...

Read what I've said today.

READ WHAT SHII HAS SAID TODAY AND THEN LOOK AT THAT LAST LINE OF YOUR STATEMENT 2 POSTS AGO

Looool

I made a typo. I've already read everything you've said.

Brian, remember what Shii said about scum needing to push 2 MLs to win and me having a townread on Nacho is weird (especially with how strong it is) and then Shii went all paranoid?

In post 689, notscience wrote:Nacho, if Bert townreads you then dies I see literally 0 reason to kill him from you. Why? Because I personally believe hydrae partners are really good at reading each other (although I admittedly can't read Bert as well as say DP or TIP), so I'm not really plussed about it.

This is one of the reasons why I think Nacho is suspicious. Nacho already got the townread from Bert, so I don't see any reason scum-Nacho would have to keep Bert around.

Not to mention, Nacho let me tunnel on Flammus without taking Shii's argument into account on Day 2. I understand I baited Nacho into that tunnel, but still. Nacho is usually more aware than that.