Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:00 pm
Yes i did, and it's virtually useless at this point now, and i'm sad.
https://forum.mafiascum-staging.net/
really?In post 697, Toomai wrote:Well my reads update is that JW and FFF are town due to claims and everyone else is in a big pile of cluelessness.
I guess I'll wait for Nachomamma8 to get caught up.
In post 689, RachMarie wrote:What that means though is:
1. Falcon is for sure town because iffen he is giving out fruit he is probably not killing our dear doc...
2. Falcon could still be scum, but was not doing the kill... I am going on the basis that we have a three person scum team and no SK. (singular night kills kinda give credence to not having a SK).
So it is more likely he is town, but not totally confirmed yet. In Author Mafia we DID have a mafia fruit vendor. We found him out because he was not able to give fruit AND do the night kill as well.
@ mod if a mafia PR ends up being the only one left, can he do both his or her PR as well as doing the killing?
I just said that.In post 707, RachMarie wrote:bah Stubbs was most likely lying about the roleblock, Jason he was scum after all...
Leave it in the air, but it is kinda obvious which 2 i used.In post 708, fferyllt wrote:Meh, I'm trying to puzzle out the actions you used, Jason, but it's probably best to leave that up in the air.
This interaction with LNGGEGRRRR reads town. Amrun has this tendency to go from interrogation to interrogation as town to a level that doesn't mesh with her scum gameplan of sticking below the surface.In post 51, Amrun wrote:Well, yes, depending on context, but I don't care about that.
VOTE: lngrr
Tonally, the passive voice is very strange there, and strange how he went out of the way to say that without remarking on squilly's alignment.
And ditto on this response to LNGRGEERRRR by Fegelein.In post 64, Fegelein wrote:Firstly, it's sloppy because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They may have been voting each other a lot, but what else can you say? If you think it's because they are a trio, you're either an insanely paranoid Townie or scum looking for as many people as possible to incriminate. You're trying to use that as a scum-tell when none of them have even flipped scum yet.
Secondly, I don't like the self-meta. You're trying to use your behaviour in the past as a "Get out of Jail Free" card, and self-meta is scummy in its own right.
Thirdly, I have a feeling from your interactions with Amrun that one of you is probably scum. And I'm feeling you more.
And here my townread on Amrun is reaffirmed already.In post 68, Amrun wrote:Jason, start playing the game.
Also like this post; it's the type of thing that would be awkward for scum to say (oh i'm sad i pushed you as scum because you look really town now) but is a pretty natural thing to say as town.In post 75, Fegelein wrote:I regret having you as an early scum-read now.
Also looks town for the same reasons.In post 126, Fegelein wrote:Welcome to the Town-reads, don't do anything to make me doubt you.
These are the same people I would be townreading and that makes me happy.In post 130, fferyllt wrote:Liking Amrun, Channel and Fegelin for town.
This is an awkward comment and seems to be framed more towards throwing doubt on the townread as opposed to actually determining alignment. As town, I don't think she'd be afraid to say "I don't think he's scumhunting".In post 132, penguin_alien wrote:I see where people say Squilly was scum-hunting, but it still seems like the kind of fake scum hunting scum like to do.
Unfortunately, this doesn't have the same effect when other people have already beat you to it.
I appreciate the honesty!In post 152, Toomai wrote:I really want to post but I have nothing to contribute. I have weak, aggregate reads on four players and doubt the correctness of all of them.
In post 208, fferyllt wrote:How quickly do they usually sort each other? (I used to sort Nacho on the basis of 3-4 early day 1 posts. Then he had to go and eliminate his tells. :/)In post 207, Syryana wrote:Not anymore. I was feeling kinda heebie jeebie about how easily Amrun and CDB started working with each other after that early "Amrun is scum" crap in RVS, but that last post by CDB gave me a raging hardon, so I'm not as concerned about him anymore.
This vote is not so likely from ffery-scum at all. I can see her sheeping Syryana onto her scumpartner, yes. But usually bussing is a bit of a big deal for her (since she has the tendency to set her scumpartners up for endgame scenarios instead of endgaming others herself), so the fact that she so immediately sheeped Syryana sheeping CDB's case is a good town tell for me.In post 208, fferyllt wrote:Yep. Checking vote count. And it's 3Pedit: Oh, is that what you meant by timing? Makes a hell of a lot more sense.
Pedit2: You know you want to vote Stubbs nao, fery.
Vote: Stubbs
Rach is reading town for this post. It's light, it's easy. I also feel she's more likely to complain about people reading her as scum as town than she is when she's caught scum.In post 210, RachMarie wrote:Will take a look at CDB's links for his case. Still think Jason is scum, and it is not just his activity level, it is what he posted when he did post. Definitely not getting good vibrations here, unlike the Beach Boys song.
Fery has cut down on the amount she has posted but what she has posted definitely feels like town fery not scum fery.
feeling good about Amrun and CDB too.
yeah that whole Rach is scum, oh wait she posted a list, Rach is town bothers me too....
I didn't really like this.In post 218, Toomai wrote:I like the case on Stubbs, I'll think about it more whileI'm on V/LA for today.
This is sort of weak. I figured if you were gonna think the case over then you would have more stuff, but maybe I'm wrong on that.In post 237, Toomai wrote:Now that that's over, I can say for sure that yeah Stubbs is pretty scummy. The case in 200 currently has me convinced; 157 in particular stands out to me as awful. But I won't be voting him until he can reply to all this.
Don't like this either; talking about two other scumvibes yet not following up on any of them to any extent whatsoever was awkward and scummy.In post 239, penguin_alien wrote:Tempted to put Stubbs at L-1. Much as I thought Squilly was scummy, and Marquis is pinging oddly, that Stubbs and LnGrrrR are on the wagon makes me uneasy. Whereas I like nearly all of the Stubbs wagon participants. Will see what Stubbs has to say when he gets back in here.
Question-answer-vote transition is weak as shit.In post 253, penguin_alien wrote:But if he's a scum read, he's a scum read and thus worth voting. And pressure votes without follow-up pressure aren't super-useful.In post 240, StubbsKVM wrote:Pressure votes don't seem to work on Jason.penguin alien wrote:Stubbs, what's your rationale for voting Squilly-slot over JasonWazza?
VOTE: Stubbs
L-1
Why did you read Rach town here? Marquis question?In post 265, fferyllt wrote:rachtown.
Had Marquis and LnEEETGGGGRRRRAAAGH scumreads earlier, but ends up settling on the strongest player out of the punch for paranoia reasons?In post 289, penguin_alien wrote:I don't think I've played with town-Jason, but his pointed comments and veneer of...being infalliable? are reminiscent of his scum play from the large Mainstream game where he snowed us town. I don't have town reads on Marquis or LnGrrrR, but I don't trust Jason at all right now.
UNVOTE: Stubbs
VOTE: JasonWazza
Didn't mind this initially, but continuing reading brings us to:In post 318, penguin_alien wrote:Two JOAT claims. Could be town-town, town-scum, or scum-scum. Considering how much sense either of them makes is kind of the point. Jason not addressing the other JOAT claim is sketchy, and I'd rather not speculate further until he does, as it seems like we have more time now.
There's no way in hell a replacement comes in and attempts to renew interest in his scumbuddy when there are so many options and free town lynches available to him.In post 352, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I was really looking forward to playing this game, I read the Harry Potter books more than twice. I'll post in more detail once I catch up but upon a skim, the first thing I noticed was that Stubbs claimed Colin Creevey giving justification as "protecting Harry from accusations." This isn't true. Colin follows Harry around with a camera and takes pictures despite the fact that Harry doesn't want it. He is annoying more than protective. He even gossips about Harry being the heir of slytherin (I need to double check the last point). Whatever he does, there is no "protection" no matter how much I stretch it. I think the claim is fake.
Rach attacking what could be a free out given to her by CDB is also pretty town, considering the whole "not bussing" meta.In post 359, RachMarie wrote:2 JOATs though seems rather odd? I have never played in a game with 2 JOATS before have you CDB?
I dig this followup.In post 382, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The role PMs in Nexus's philosopher's stone game were a bit unusual. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5126063
The wierdest one was peeves as the the vanilla cop because despite him causing chaos, hogwarts is his home and he wants to protect it. The protection part is not true but peeves makes sense as vanilla cop because he is always snooping around. I am a little undecided on the Colin Creevey claim but between Creevey and Filch, I find it much more likely Filch is the JOAT considering he helps out a lot with miscellaneous stuff. I'll think on it though.
What made your Amrun read stale here?In post 498, fferyllt wrote:Also leaning town on Amrun.
For what it's worth, Syryana told me that he was reading ffery as town but I might be called to defend her honor. His townread on her didn't go stale at all.In post 572, LnGrrrR wrote:@Syryana, does Ffery look scummy to you?
The low hanging fruit I was concerned about was pretty much Squilly/Marquis. The rest is just too much fencesitting; you seemed to have come around to a stubbs scumread, but it didn't seem like you were moving to lynch him.In post 637, penguin_alien wrote:No, seriously, who's the high hanging fruit you think I should be scum reading?
I'm not as confident, but the graph didn't sell me last time I played with him and I still feel pretty good about him, just want to see something more.In post 656, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:he would withhold on his graphs and charts despite people saying that he wasn't contributing. He had a ton of behind-the-scenes work that he only posted after I prodded him. I am close to 100% certain that he is town.
It seems an odd move as a scumteam to have a voting block bussing method of your scumbuddy. Syryana did defend Stubbs day 1 based on the strong JOAT claim, which was not something that should have been touched day 1. Leaving night to give us a hint of their identities was just a good move.In post 658, MSG wrote:As the net starts to close on Stubbs Syr and ffery put votes down on Stubbs (post 207, post 208,) but after Stubbs claims (post 257) Syryana vigorously opposes any effort to restart the d1 bandwagon (post 376, post 437, post 443.)
That's what usually happens when Syr or I or Cabd gets a strong townread on ffery; sometimes her slow moving style is interpreted as scummy in the MS meta, townffery is gold, so protect her we must.In post 658, MSG wrote:was white-knighting fferylt (strongly)
Ffery has a tendency to townread people who attack her.In post 669, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The biggest thing for me is that despite ffery's defense of him, he doesn't seem to let go of the suspicion.
Yeah, post 264, a set of rapid-fire questions, not "what are your reads", plus the slight irritability of the last question.In post 711, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why did you read Rach town here? Marquis question?
She had been absent for a while.In post 711, Nachomamma8 wrote:What made your Amrun read stale here?
It's not so straightforward as that. It depends on whether (and why) I expect to be townread vs not.In post 711, Nachomamma8 wrote:Ffery has a tendency to townread people who attack her.
Similar interactions with Jason in a recently completed game, Achievement Unlocked Mafia. She got aggravated by him being quiet and attacked him early on.In post 714, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Why is your townread on Amrun re-affirmed when when she tells Jason to start playing the game?
The most prominent example is Con Mafia (currently ongoing but we can talk about it), where we have out-of-thread communication if we want it and the first thing she says is "Why are people scumreading us? NS prod dodges at either alignment... etc, etc." I've never seen her respond to suspicion like that as scum.In post 714, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:2) What games have you played with Rach as town and scum? (I want to see in what way she is more likely to complain about being scumread as town).
Colors are mine, FTR. Green is conf-town to me, blue is my current strong town reads.In post 144, StubbsKVM wrote:I'm having a hard time getting reads, but here's an attempt. Only slight scumreads on Jason for refusing to participate, Squilly for empty votes and Rach for having 2 reads. I'm having especially a lot of difficulty reading Amrun, so I just put him at null. LNG I think is just frustrated town.
Town
oriole
Fegelein
Leaning Town
ChannelDelibird
fferyllt
LnGrrrR
Null
Syryana
penguin_alien
Toomai
Amrun
Leaning Scum
JasonWazza
RachMarie
Squilly
Scum
N/A
P-Edit: Okay so Rach might be town too.