Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

[Rail Tracer]

here, for him, he''s just a part of the summary - as in, no big deal.

you might have a point that this is unusual, but it doesn't seem to me to be alignment indicative.

if you look at a lot of his posts, it seems a lot like's he's just asking opinions, mostly... rather that stating them.

*shrug* i do this a lot when i'm trying to figure out the game. the exchange i had with him shortly after he entered the game left me feeling he was town, and while i didn't like the insistence on dessew being scum, it's not like he had a lack of opinions. for example, you even criticised his opinion on titus's posts, and i believe he was the first one to bring up the point about the lack of counter-wagon on db.

i thinnk HP looked pretty scummy

hmm. i disagree. i didn't like a lot of his early posts, but i feel his later posts looked town. the thing that got him force-replaced is an example of town-looking content.

[Rail Tracer]

hmm just read ns's iso and don't see the obvscum you apparently do. i'm thinking town. the persistence on dessew is the only thing that worries me but i'm chalking that up to ns being shit.

[artemiskitty]

here, for him, he''s just a part of the summary - as in, no big deal.

you might have a point that this is unusual, but it doesn't seem to me to be alignment indicative.

give me a break. it totally is .. strange. you have to admit that.
if he was really genuine with his vote, he'd put a lot more emphasis on his say with Dessew, than what he did.

if you look at a lot of his posts, it seems a lot like's he's just asking opinions, mostly... rather that stating them.

*shrug* i do this a lot when i'm trying to figure out the game. the exchange i had with him shortly after he entered the game left me feeling he was town, and while i didn't like the insistence on dessew being scum, it's not like he had a lack of opinions. for example, you even criticised his opinion on titus's posts, and i believe he was the first one to bring up the point about the lack of counter-wagon on db.

so? i don't understand why you are sticking up for him this much? maybe playing devil's advocate? you seem to be defending him... and maybe you are trying to be non-biased. but, beyond what you have said here... can you take a look at the other side of it?

i thinnk HP looked pretty scummy

hmm. i disagree. i didn't like a lot of his early posts, but i feel his later posts looked town. the thing that got him force-replaced is an example of town-looking content.

how????

[artemiskitty]

hmm just read ns's iso and don't see the obvscum you apparently do. i'm thinking town. the persistence on dessew is the only thing that worries me but i'm chalking that up to ns being shit.

ok. so you think nat then. who else?

[Rail Tracer]

give me a break. it totally is .. strange. you have to admit that.

correct. and it's abnormal whether scum or town, which is why i don't consider it alignment indicative.

and maybe you are trying to be non-biased. but, beyond what you have said here... can you take a look at the other side of it?

i do look at both sides. all my reads are based on whether i think the actions of a player are more likely to come from town or scum. the exchange i had left me feeling he was town. i didn't like his unwillingness to reconsider the dessew read, which is the only thing i really saw that made me think more likely scum. the rest of his posts i'm leaning town on.

i can somewhat kinda see what you're saying about him, but i disagree. i don't share your qualms with his initial reads post, and i liked a lot of his earlier posts when he had just replaced in.

how????

minor towntell that he brought up an ongoing game to talk about why he thought saki was acting scummy. i also liked a lot of the questions he was asking and shared some of his opinions on stuff in his later posts.

ok. so you think nat then. who else?

mario, mogamma and maybe titus. i think i said this at the start of today.

[Rail Tracer]

it's also possible i'm reading one of {sos, rwap and brian skies} incorrectly, but i don't know which one.

[Ranawey]

Sorry, thought I could read the whole thread and make a case yesterday, but I spent most of the day in the hospital. I'll do this tonight, since I have to spent most of the day on the hospital again, because I've sprained my knee and I need plasters.

Anyways, I skimmed d2.

@artemiskitty

that;s pretty much the only thing that sticks out for me, with Nat. Otherwise, i think he is town.

see, my biggest problem with nat is that i don't see any town in his posts. he has literally coasted through the entire game since he replaced in. some bullshit about needing to find "tempo" but then the rest of d1 was spent riding out the DB lynch and providing zero content. i also felt kinda meh about some of the things he was saying, like when he parroted my thoughts on the lack of counter-wagon and him trying to force a town block.

the other problem i have with the slot is i consider the way saki replaced out a minor scum tell. it was minor enough that i was willing to overlook it, but saki replacing out after HP brought up meta for why saki wasn't playing his town game looked like saki upset that he was caught. but yeah, this is rather minor so whatever.

to be honest, i thinnk HP looked pretty scummy. i don;t know what is to be said for his replacement.

but so far, it doesn't seem that great.

i dunno, right now, i'm still liking nat's for town. and before you ask - it IS the post that i mentioned already, combined with gut.

You didn't even gave me a day


And just so you know, english isn't my native language, so my grammar and wording can suck sometimes, I hope it doesn't annoy you.

[Sound of Silence]

@ak,
why is natirasha town? name at least one scum on the DB wagon.

who's to say there is a scum on that wagon?

i looked, if there WAS one.. i would say SOS

Is there something besides paranoia to this?

[Sound of Silence]

Leaning Town (more or less in order of read strength)

Rail Tracer - scumhunting, agree with a lot of his posts (I usually do from what I've seen)
Rebel without a Pulse - both heads look town
Brian Skies - read a two year old game and analyzed it. Asking good questions. Agreeableness is not so much a concern with everything else going on. Is there a hard edge missing?
Natirasha

Saki

- retracted PGO claim. Nati has looked pretty town but dixon hill game demonstrates I can't read him. Still, think day 1 looked usual town.
artemiskitty (mantis/mala) - paranoia about me could be a put on, but it looks pretty townish. Mantis also blatantly keeps asking lots of questions after mentioning it's part of her scum game.

Null/Town

Ranaway Humble Poirot - Poirot looked pretty town. Will probably move slot up.

Null

NotScience - the attack on Titus in the face of the prevailing wagon, the concerns about no counterwagon, both have an "informed" feel to them. Or maybe ns is getting this good? Almost want to move him to scum.

Scum

Titus

FuDuzn

- really low content. maybe not able to jump right in when replacing? still, doesn't feel quite right. (Null to fferyllt, but GiF thinks scum because lolscum)
Mario and the Diamonds
HopefullyCynical (gut)

[Rail Tracer]

hm. i think you're giving saki too much credit for the retracted pgo claim and i dunno why you think natirasha has looked town so far. which is kind of disappointing because other than that, we're mostly on the same page.

[Sound of Silence]

hm. i think you're giving saki too much credit for the retracted pgo claim and i dunno why you think natirasha has looked town so far. which is kind of disappointing because other than that, we're mostly on the same page.

With Saki it was the timing, mostly, and had to do with things going pretty wrong at LYLO in another game he and I were playing. I had the overall impression that Saki was reining back on some aspects of his town game.

Nati usually plays a noncommittal looking day 1 from what I've seen. If the game or his role features unusual mechanics he looks more engaged right off the bat. This being a mini normal game, I wouldn't expect to see that in his day 1 play. I do caveat my read, though. I had him as town on day 1 of the Dixon Hill Hardboiled game that completed a few days ago. He was scum.

In this game, he's either posted what I was thinking about several posts as things have unfolded in more or less real time during day 1, or he's posted something I didn't think but once he said it, my reaction was "Oh yeah. That." Posting what I'm thinking is not such a great towntell (especially if the player doing it has demonstrated that they can predict how I will think about game events), but I do weigh it, especially if it's a timing thing and I haven't posted what I'm thinking yet.

I'm not sure if Nati is able to predict where my mind is likely to head in mafia. I don't think we've played enough games together for him to have that good a model of my play. On the other hand, he does say that I'm pretty transparent when I'm town.

[Rail Tracer]

why were you reading him as town in 527?

[Rail Tracer]

i briefly skimmed his iso and see a lot of similar things here and there. less fluff in his initial posts, but same lack of presence and coasting feel.

[Sound of Silence]

why were you reading him as town in 527?

Because it looked like his town game to me? The only real off-note for me on day 1 in the Dixon Hill game was his saying that he was townreading SoS based on GiF, given the games we've played together and the fact that my town game is pretty much infamous at MS for being transparent.

At the time, we had two completed games. Both had unusual game mechanics, and to the extent he was engaged in those games, it was mostly about the mechanics. In the Xenologue game, his day 1 posts had a distant and almost self-absorbed feel outside of the game mechanics aspect of his role. I was scum in that game, but if town, I would have townread the hell out of him based on his Paradox Prime play. Paradox Prime was full of unusual roles and game mechanics, and really spotlighted the figuring things out aspect of his play style.

His play today should be pretty revealing.

What specifically did you see as scummy about his play on day 1 here?

[Natirasha]

If you're going to skim my games, you might see a model of my town day one play in Castle Mafia. I'd point to PxP as well, but my play is naturally different when I have things to work off of.

One thing to note is that, as I've become more acclimated to the site, I'm understanding the personalities more. When Hard Boiled started, I would say I was more familiar with GIF since I had played a solo game with scum-GIF, as opposed to a hydra game with oddball mechanics that involved Cabd having to fakeclaim a cop inno to keep you alive. Since I more or less officially joined the clique, though, I've more or less solidified a lot of my standard reads on you, Syr, Cabd, etc. I won't say I can mindread you, fferylit, but I do think that I have a better basis of your play than most people on this site(the only ones who might be easier for me to read are, like, MafiaSSK and maaaybe TSO).

[Rail Tracer]

@sos,

the way in which he coasted through d1 (even if he claims he didn't). i feel a lot of his posts felt hollow and the lack of presence feels off.

i'm looking back at what he said and did in retrospect, with regards to the DB wagon. from 401 to 423 to 456 to 462, the way his read progressed on db felt unnatural. the minor comments he made in regards to the db wagon (e.g. 493, him parroting me in 522 and his response to db in 555). 555 in particular bugs me. the first response to db doesn't even really make sense given natirasha's supposed reads at the time, the second statement is meh, the third statement just feels like blatant buddying (there was no reason to add the "-town").

speaking of buddying me, his read progression on me also felt rather unnatural given how he was apparently completely null on me (that in itself is rather weird given how much i'd actually posted at the time, but whatever), then after a case i made on DB he suddenly put me in his "town blocK".

i also have issues with his initial reads post (which i kind of went over a bit d1, and he brushed it off as needing to find tempo). this is partially why i didn't want to spoonfeed him a case on db and wanted to hear his opinion of db before i said anything about my own thoughts.

If you're going to skim my games, you might see a model of my town day one play in Castle Mafia.

no, i don't really care about meta. i was asking sos the question because i wanted to hear the specific reasons he thought you were town in that game - mostly because i was interested in what he thinks is different about this game.

[Brian Skies]

Soooooo, I apologize for my late entrance. I've been busy the last few days with school (especially yesterday) and all the other games I joined (it's a balancing act). Now that the weekend is right around the corner for me, I should be able to post more (weekends are my lifeline for this game).

I'm going to try to do a thorough read and catch-up. Now that Day 2 is here, I feel like I can try to make sense of some things. I'll try to get something super substantial for you guys later.

[notscience]

I really don't care for people commenting on my playing ability, tyvm.

Now that said-

VOTE: Titus

The end of yesterday looks overinformed as hell to me while also trying to setup a lynch on me. See me yesterday for other reasons.

[Cabd]

Hawkie (Prohawk) replaces Mogamma/HC effective immediately.

[Sound of Silence]

Hi ProHawk.

[Natirasha]

Welcome, ProHawk.

In other news, unimpressed by ns's entrance.

VOTE: Notscience

[Sound of Silence]

I really don't care for people commenting on my playing ability, tyvm.

Now that said-

VOTE: Titus

The end of yesterday looks overinformed as hell to me while also trying to setup a lynch on me. See me yesterday for other reasons.

Actually, "informed" was exactly how I would characterize your play, especially your comments around the Daniel Bryan wagon.

[Cabd]

Vote Count of the Second City, First Block

Players Alive: 11
Votes to Lynch: 6
Format of:
Wagon (size): Voters on wagon

notscience (2): artemiskitty, Natirasha (L-4)

Titus (1): notscience (L-5)

Deadline for Night Two falls on: 10/09/13 which is (expired on 2013-10-09 21:00:00)

Mod notes:

~Game has all active slots again yay!

[ProHawk]

Hello Nati and Ffery/SoS.

I will be reading and catching up. You might see some interesting cases/thoughts come from me once I get there. Actually since this is the only game I am currently alive in its probably a guarantee

[artemiskitty]

artemiskitty (mantis/mala) - paranoia about me could be a put on, but it looks pretty townish. Mantis also blatantly keeps asking lots of questions after mentioning it's part of her scum game.

GiF - we need to talk.

This is Mala speaking, but you confused Mantis' meta read of Fery with something you think Mantis is self metaing.