OK atm my reads are Scum
Pv
Shadow
Dante/bbmola
not sure yet.
TOwn is
Me
ooba
dopdog
NEro is town but is dangerous as town tho.
mum is town
Pr looks town but his start was awful
Rt look town..
i don't have other strong reads for the moment
my reads can always change it still d1 And i need to reread better
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:45 pm
by mnemonicdevice
That post by mit was terrible. But not enough to change from a vote on dante. Ugh... Nobody else will kill him though. I say we kill dopog today. I don't think peregrine is scum.
VOTE: dopog
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:06 pm
by Mitillos
@Shadow: 1) Links to the reasons for all my reads? Sorry, but I'm not doing that, it's too much work, for very little gain. I gave you post numbers for two of the people you asked about. If you have a few specific people where my reads seem strange to you, give me specifics and I will do my best to oblige.
2) Eliminating the WIFOM may not be scumhunting directly, but it helps make scumhunting easier. So, yeah, alright, I take your point about that bit. As for the Nani-dopog thing, illustrating a non-point has little value. Being apologetic is not a scumtell. Harping on a single word being used repeatedly ("sorry"), is not good scumhunting and I think it is good that Dante questioned it.
3) You would expect scum to try appearing pro-town, but they often don't. And given two people of whom one appears pro-town and the other appears anti-town, I will vote the anti-town one, unless I have other evidence to suggest this would be the wrong decision. As it happens, since this is D1, we don't yet have any such evidence, as far as I know. So, I will go with my Deas read as it stands.
4) Fencesitting is a null-tell. Scum does it because of opportunism, town does it when it's not feeling confident. A weak case doesn't make someone scum. A lack of attempt at any case whatsoever would have been far more suspicious to me. You could be right about the soft-bussing thing, but I'm sure it will become obvious at some point, if that is the case.
1) Fair enough.
2) Also fair enough.
3) OK.
@mnemonic: Which one? The reads, or my response to Shadow?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:22 pm
by BBmolla
Dopog is probably a mislynch, but I'll hop on to get a lynch.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:14 pm
by RadiantCowbells
I guess I'll wait for the reason behind this
just, don't kill me
^Poison
Town don't let people vote them without justification.
I'm caught up now, and not really feeling the PeregrineV wagon.
VOTE: Peacebringer
588 just killed my scumdar.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:24 pm
by Diabolik
In post 703, BBmolla wrote:Dopog is probably a mislynch, but I'll hop on to get a lynch.
why don't vote with me?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:46 pm
by BBmolla
Who'd you replace
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:01 pm
by Diabolik
I am replacing SK
voting PV, what do you think of Pv? i think Pv>dog
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:09 pm
by theloveofneroandmollie
why is nero dangerous if town?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:10 pm
by theloveofneroandmollie
also I am thinking mebbe, just mebbe, rail might be town.
/hydras unite
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:15 pm
by Diabolik
i recall one game i was scum, you were town, i didn't need to do much to hide,cause u dead tunneled 2/3 towns,game interrupted cause host made a mistake
but yeah i think u town this time too , but i am town too this time soooooooooo we need to tunnel mafia htis game... Pv was in that game too was scum with me, is acting in the same way this is why i fos him.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:31 pm
by BBmolla
Okay then you're town.
I'm already on PV, people are just gonna get suckered into the "confirmable town role" thing.
I'm already on PV, people are just gonna get suckered into the "confirmable town role" thing.
nvm i thought u switched to dog..
dog is more town than scum to me btw.. i still could be wrong, but i doubt it
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:53 pm
by N
nip
verb
to squeeze or compress tightly between two surfaces or points; pinch; bite.
Deadline is in
(expired on 2013-09-18 22:01:56)
PeregrineV is V/LA until the 16th.
dopog is V/LA for a couple of days.
Half of Luna Lovegood (probably Nacho) is V/LA until Tuesday.
We're back to a full playerlist! Hooray for all!
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:57 pm
by Diabolik
Well yeah we need to lynch some one has to die, so i will prob vote dog doubting he will flip scum... Pv is best lynch with mn.
i hope i am wrong on dog... or in this 2 days we can move this wagon
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:16 pm
by mnemonicdevice
@mit: the wall of reads
People on Pv should move to dopog. We desprately need a lynch
People on Pv should move to dopog. We desprately need a lynch
Why not the other way around?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:57 pm
by ooba
@PV:
Katsuki = your player slot. I don't differentiate between the two. Perhaps "Katsuki (or) dopog - both have scummy posts - and if you find Katsuki scummy, vote PV" is clearer wording.
@Mit: I was experimenting with hidden double vote mechanics. (10 to lynch with 17 players and all)
Damn these ambiguous claims. "I'm already on PV, people are just gonna get suckered into the "confirmable town role" thing.". @Diabolik: We're not going to get a PV lynch today for these reasons.
I agree with BBMolla - The movement to dopog gives me a mislynch vibe.
I really hate DV's last few posts:
The people asking for more are silly.
Too quick to buy in to the claim.
Dopog is an ok lynch, but there's nothing exciting there for me.
Proceeds to vote Dopog the next post. This is same person who wanted to try and flash wagon somebody a couple of days back - I would assume, they'd at least try here.
Unvote. Vote: DeasVail
I'll be fairly active before deadline so I can switch my vote to avoid a no-lynch. Those who fall into the same bucket of "active" and "can switch votes close to deadline, if necessary" and consider DV more suspicious than dopog might want to hop to this counterwagon.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:33 pm
by Mitillos
@ooba: ...Wouldn't your role PM tell you if you were a double-voter? Why would you need to experiment? Also, shouldn't everyone be buying Pere's claim, at least for now? That is, if his role is confirmable, presumably he will take steps to confirm it by tomorrow. And if he does not, he lied, therefore lynch. At least that's what seems to me to be the best course of action. So, Deas jumping on a secondary suspect with an existing wagon seems fine to me.
@mnemonic: So, are you suggesting that I shouldn't have made any reads? I thought that reads were very much the point of this game. Is it the fact it's a wall? As I replaced in, I couldn't have made my reads earlier, so they have to take quite a bit of space, given the number of players. Your attack on my post seems invalid and I think it betrays the fact that my read on you is correct. But I was wondering, why the sudden jump on dopog? You seemed content to stay on Dante whilst the wagons on Pere and dopog formed, so now that the Pere wagon is likely to start crumbling (due to his claim), you immediately get on the other one?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:49 pm
by Diabolik
In post 717, ooba wrote:@PV:
Katsuki = your player slot. I don't differentiate between the two. Perhaps "Katsuki (or) dopog - both have scummy posts - and if you find Katsuki scummy, vote PV" is clearer wording.
@Mit: I was experimenting with hidden double vote mechanics. (10 to lynch with 17 players and all)
Damn these ambiguous claims. "I'm already on PV, people are just gonna get suckered into the "confirmable town role" thing.". @Diabolik: We're not going to get a PV lynch today for these reasons.
I agree with BBMolla - The movement to dopog gives me a mislynch vibe.
I really hate DV's last few posts:
The people asking for more are silly.
Too quick to buy in to the claim.
Dopog is an ok lynch, but there's nothing exciting there for me.
Proceeds to vote Dopog the next post. This is same person who wanted to try and flash wagon somebody a couple of days back - I would assume, they'd at least try here.
Unvote. Vote: DeasVail
I'll be fairly active before deadline so I can switch my vote to avoid a no-lynch. Those who fall into the same bucket of "active" and "can switch votes close to deadline, if necessary" and consider DV more suspicious than dopog might want to hop to this counterwagon.
Meta ain't a good reason?
Even a noob would claim pr to save his ass.pere is no noob( tip)
because while dopog may be scum, looks like kat/pv is as well... so not everyone avoiding dopog, just looking elsewhere...
I'll give you a claim.
Claim:
Confirm-able town PR
But, now that it's been brought up, where else are YOU looking?
Confirmable how? can u hard claim plux? let see if someone cc
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:30 pm
by Rail Tracer
peace wrote:anyone who does is a fool...
i have issues with the claim, but now that he's locked down into at least claiming a "confirmable town PR" if he's scum, that severely limits his options. yeah, it also leaves some options open, but it's not something i am worried about today and i'm not conceited enough to believe that he couldn't be town trying to deprive scum of further information.
while i think it's shit that he didn't full claim, i'm not particularly interested in pursuing it unless he's still alive come D3 with no information that actuall confirms him. i'll also be lynching him if he is still alive D3 and doesn't claim a role that is clearly town.
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:34 pm
by Rail Tracer
mit wrote:Yes, seriously. It may not be the most effective scumhunting, but it's an attempt.
yeah it's an attempt... it's an attempt in the same way as using random.org to vote somebody then bashing your head against a keyboard for a minute when someone asks for an explanation.
yes, the above is scum hunting on the same level was what dante has done this game. i only bashed my head against a keyboard for about ten seconds though, so admittedly it's only about a sixth of what he's done, but whatever.
