It also seems that you only show up when I say something so you can go "omg he's so scum let's lynch him."
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:18 am
by TheIrishPope
I already said why you're scum and I can't fathom why you're not lynched yet
And yes omg you are scum
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:46 am
by Bert
haha I have this really bad feeling we are gonna see a 5p LYLO tomorrow
the question is if we can avoid lynching a Chosen today
Bah. Everything feels so...wrong
Nacho, thoughts on phok's last few posts?? And also address the others if you can before deadline, live as if you were dying <3
Love, Bert
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:50 am
by phokdapolees
In post 701, TheIrishPope wrote:I already said why you're scum and I can't fathom why you're not lynched yet
And yes omg you are scum
All you said was that I'm "imitating your newbie scum play." You never specifically said what I was actually doing that was scummy.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:53 am
by Bert
In post 701, TheIrishPope wrote:I already said why you're scum and I can't fathom why you're not lynched yet
And yes omg you are scum
If you're going to lynch by gut, might as well tell us who else is scum by gut. Go for a harder lynch maybe? And you know who's next if phok flips town? Probably you, because the other players are content saying "I don't know what's going on, we gonna figure this out, but PoE leads to Phok and Tip (maybe Bert)." See Mastin's last posts for one person who has this PoE reasoning down to a tee, man.
Because your case is "he imitates my scum play," and this is not really an accurate tell - I tried this in my last 3p LYLO yesterday as part of my flimsy reasoning... and I looked like a buffoon afterwards. Find someone else or tell us why else phok is scum.
and Nacho you voted phok for gut only. Who else is scum by gut?
Tammy it's not D3 yet, you're not allowed to say "something's wrong and I don't find anyone else that scummy, something's seriously wrong." Because I said so!
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:01 am
by Bert
@TIP and Phokdapolees: What do you think about working together and forming a trio, and just say "forget this, let's not be low-hanging fruit and put our votes together and place one person of our choice at lynch -1 and roll with it"
I don't like this looming deadline and LYLO and how they're just waiting until the deadline to settle on one of us three.
I say YAY What do you say?
Forget them. <3
I'm a rebel and free!!! Sound familiar, Tammy???? YEAH, that's right!!! We aren't sweethearts!
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:03 am
by Bert
In post 521, TheIrishPope wrote:You're high
There's not much to say, twenty pages that aren't particularly filled with content...
1. Nachomamma8 I think is Town because he's being passive (like when he ICs)
3. mastin2 is null, because I had him as definitely scum early on (I know his scumplay) but then he turned around and started looking alright...
4. Tammy is just a lurky scumfuck
5. Darger has done nothing
6. phokdapolees is scum for sure; he's imitating my newbie scum play
7. projectmatt seems alright I guess? Nothing to say really
8. TheIrishPope is silky and Town
Please get out of your tunnel and vote mastin or Tammy with me??
Phok PLEASE COME BACK AND VOTE WITH US
What do you say??? Yay/Nay???
It's a better gutshot than going after the two low-hanging fruits, plus mastin hasn't made me feel good at all, Tammy has been in mehville all things considered gut-wise.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:04 am
by Bert
PHOK BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE Please promise to be here before deadline so we can talk! And TIP can get out of his tunnel! Man screw being controlled and being low-hanging fruit man, we got 3 votes let's bond together.
COME ON WE GOT THIS, we will not listen to dem scumbags.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:06 am
by Bert
Last thing is Nacho I am willing to vote for too for that phok vote, I ain't scared of him no more, him going all "gut" and that trash he posted while drunk. He's not even showing up in prime time, man. What's up with that. And not committing to a read on me until I prodded him
that's what's wrong with this Chosen world, that's where it's at
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:10 am
by phokdapolees
Hi, still here. I don't think TIP will exactly be willing to work with me, after his many claims that I am scum for no reason.
Bert wrote:Phok PLEASE COME BACK AND VOTE WITH US
Aren't you voting for TIP as well?
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:17 am
by Bert
Yeah but I am idling with that vote though.
Also, one of you two is going down and I offer you two immunity from my vote today.
Also, we should try to get Matt to work together. One of you is going to die if we don't do something before deadline.
I'll work on TIP and try to get out of this dumb tunnel.
unvote
I will go check Matt's reads as I think he's town. The other three can do whatever they want, I'm not overly impressed with any of them. And their freakin plan Day 1 about ignoring each other and dismissing as town, while looking at US ONLY. This is PAYBACK for mastin's plan that people are defending. I won't take none of that.
In post 578, mastin2 wrote: Yo, matt. Why you lurking? Tomorrow came and gone and is now yesterday.
It's been a really long few days. I was out of town for the weekend and I hate tomorrow! I'm working on it.
Tentative reads list:
Tammy:
Like I said before, I really loved her enthusiasm while entering the game in post/being ballsy enough to cal Mastin out on his bad idea. Since then, I really can't say that she has towntold a lot since then but her overall tone (and I guess laid-back-ness?) fits the meta that I know from her and makes me think that she's more than likely
town
at this point.
mastin2:
When it comes down to it, I really SHOULDN'T be townreading Mastin. His play, thus far, has been relatively uninteresting/lacking substance but I really can't hide from the fact that a lot of the crap that he does reads like a towntell to me in spite of his occasionally poor ideas (LIKE THIS). Plus, he called me a bad player After that, his play steadily improved and the logic that he has been providing has at least made sense from the way I have seen that he thinks - the kind of carefully calculated but altogether terrified gameplay. This read is, primarily based on tone/gut so I admit it isn't the thing that I can defend logically very well. Mastin isn't really in my suspect pool right now.
Mild town
You have no idea how badly I want
Bert
to be town. Mainly because he is really cool and he enjoys my poetry. However, I've been relatively disappointed with his gameplay so far. He has the same kind of sporadic posting but without the literal-paranoia-of-everyone that I saw him showcase very clearly in a previous game. I feel like his attack on Mastin might be a pretty stupid move for scum-Bert to make at this point in the game. I just feel like his reads lack...conviction, I guess? I'm hoping that my read on him steadily approves as the game goes on. I don't think I would compromise on a Bert lynch today but he isn't exactly the grandest of town players.
Null town
I don't have the patience to make a paragraph on the rest of you but here is what I'm thinking.
I barely have a read on
Nacho
but it has been leaning town all game. In a way though I'm realizing that it comes from a subconscious bias for my desire for him to be town because I know that if he is mafia it's going to be a serious pain to even try to get him lynched. I read a lot of his posts as town in regards to tone and I still like the fact that he hive-minded with me on a towntell from phokdapolees. It seemed, at the very least, like the conjecture of a similar thought process. Honestly though at the same time his content has kind of just passed through me for most of the game. I'm definitely not ready to call him a townread. Sort of a cop-out, but..
Null
Likewise, I do not like
TheIrishPope
. It is possible that I have been confusing his playstyle with scumplay but almost every post I read by him bothers me. I did not like the fact that he tried to paint Nacho & Mara as scum vs. scum and I did not like the fact that he's pretty much all but backed off of the game after the night ended. I don't know if he's embarassed or what but I don't understand the (somewhat) general lack of pressure/scumread on him. If anybody would like to elaborate for me, that would be great.
Scum?
phokdapolees first post was a towntell. The rest has been trash. Right now I'm honestly leaning on voting phokdapolees but I kind of want to try to turn it over to TheIrishPope because I know that if we are both alive in the future I will absolutely not be able to contain myself. I don't know.
We have a little while until the deadline and I'm intending on making the most of it. Some of my reads might be slightly off but this is where I'm at right now.
Matt I am willing to compromise on Nacho or Mastin or Tammy, please pick one if you come back?
I am doing this because I really don't want to be in a LYLO again feeling incredibly helpless, doing the same and sitting here until deadline watching low-hanging fruit be lynched without anything I can do about it, this feels incredibly wrong.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:21 am
by Bert
Problem is you two (and me too) are traditionally scummy but often not actual scum. You're pretty new, phok, and TIP pings in all of his games. As do I.
And so it's no surprise that we are the most scrutinized here and will go down 1 by 1. No one's really defending you two, which bothers me just as much.
See Nacho and Tammy and Mastin just willing to throw yall away and lynch you? Same with Matt too. That suggests that scum are likely outside of you two as no one's doing anything to stop you two's wagons. That's what's so wrong about this in my brain and gut.
That's where I'm at. You feel me?
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:23 am
by Bert
Both of you please look back and tell me who outside of you two you want dead today. <3
Be back after lunch! This is the game, my reservoir, after Newbie 1436, for me to obvtown beyond belief. It's because of the pros here. That's what. And how we are in deep deep trouble here.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:30 am
by phokdapolees
Bert wrote:Problem is you two (and me too) are traditionally scummy but often not actual scum. You're pretty new, phok, and TIP pings in all of his games. As do I.
And so it's no surprise that we are the most scrutinized here and will go down 1 by 1. No one's really defending you two, which bothers me just as much.
See Nacho and Tammy and Mastin just willing to throw yall away and lynch you? Same with Matt too. That suggests that scum are likely outside of you two as no one's doing anything to stop you two's wagons. That's what's so wrong about this in my brain and gut.
That's where I'm at. You feel me?
So your opinion is that both scum is somewhere in mastin/Nacho/Tammy (and Matt)? I can definitely see mastin being scum, but everybody else I'm not really too sure of. TIP still seems rather scummy to me due to his obnoxious tunnel vision without any clear reason besides "come on guys plz lynch".
Bert wrote:Both of you please look back and tell me who outside of you two you want dead today. <3
Be back after lunch! This is the game, my reservoir, after Newbie 1436, for me to obvtown beyond belief. It's because of the pros here. That's what. And how we are in deep deep trouble here.
To choose between the players you've pinned as scum, I'd definitely have to go with mastin. The fake townbloc idea, not being nearly as active and putting as much effort into scumhunting as I've seen him when he's been town.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:32 am
by Bert
TIP, you up for a Tammy lynch? Phok, you on board?
My gut screamed Tammy scum this morning, but she's such a sweetheart. Thing is
In post 629, Bert wrote:Who do I see as scum? Still working on that, but vibe-wise Tammy just isn't cutting it. Those scattered posts in the catch-up isn't matching up with my expectations/memory of her, just doesn't feel that good so far. She needs to do more of the talk talk <3
Still feeling this. This is mostly gut and how she talked to me last night. She'll be very sweet and try to talk you out of it, she almost did last night. Don't let her too easily!
VOTE: Tammy
Let's vote Tammy for now, TIP and phok, or we can exchange ideas on who else you want to lynch other than each other?
31 hours ish only so I'm rushing! Let's wing it
Like I said, I will compromise on Mastin whose play I don't like, or even Nacho for the phok vote and general lack of commitment with regard to his read on me.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:33 am
by Bert
In post 714, phokdapolees wrote:To choose between the players you've pinned as scum, I'd definitely have to go with mastin. The fake townbloc idea, not being nearly as active and putting as much effort into scumhunting as I've seen him when he's been town.
I had my vote on mastin to start today. I'll vote him with you.
Vote: mastin2
We got to get our numbers together since we only have three people, and that might not be enough, but at least we can say we tried. If matt can buy in, that would be even better, but I doubt it.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:35 am
by Bert
In post 714, phokdapolees wrote:So your opinion is that both scum is somewhere in mastin/Nacho/Tammy (and Matt)? I can definitely see mastin being scum, but everybody else I'm not really too sure of. TIP still seems rather scummy to me due to his obnoxious tunnel vision without any clear reason besides "come on guys plz lynch".
I think so. Matt's the only person I kinda see as most town. I see mastin as scum too, his catchups lately are just not cutting it for me.
<Mastin,Tammy> with an outside compromise on Nacho are where I'm going.
TIP is always very scummy and lynchbait in all of his games...
not surprised he's pinging you and tunneling you like crazy
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:36 am
by phokdapolees
Thanks. VOTE: mastin
Bert wrote:We got to get our numbers together since we only have three people, and that might not be enough, but at least we can say we tried. If matt can buy in, that would be even better, but I doubt it.
I'm still not entirely sure TIP will be on board for grouping up, but hopefully he comes to his senses.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:37 am
by TheIrishPope
Hmmmm...
Will sleep on it.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:50 am
by mastin2
In post 649, Tammy wrote: I was kinda hoping you'd try to explain it away as something other than this.
That'd be a lie, though.
Also, the wagon on me looks bad.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:52 am
by mastin2
The interactions between Bert, phok, and TIP look off. I really think there's two scum in there (outside chance of matt being one instead), but I can't tell which.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:20 am
by Bert
In post 721, mastin2 wrote:The interactions between Bert, phok, and TIP look off. I really think there's two scum in there (outside chance of matt being one instead), but I can't tell which.
Right, you can act like Tammy you and Nacho are town-town-town all day long, but I don't buy that, and I have let games get away because the pros act like they're definitely town and pick among the low-hanging fruit
it all comes down to scum playing competently - like a few of you are. I think there's scum inside <you, Tammy, Nacho> and I would bet the game on it.
And this is Newbie 1419 Day 1 last-minute redux. You're the one that went all "let's act as if all the stronger players are town and lynch out of them D1." I'm rebelling, and it's "lynch out of the non-low-hanging-fruit."
If you would like to do more, you know, before deadline, how about you present your own ideas rather than come back here and just say "some people scum in these three people, but I can't tell which." BS!
In post 623, mastin2 wrote:I was working off of memory. I remembered not liking your early posts. So I said that I remembered not liking your early posts.
In post 647, mastin2 wrote:Overall, I'm defaulting to phok or TIP, most likely. But those aren't nearly as solid as they should be.
Nice little snippits from your once-a-day posts over the past three days. A+
And nice beetlejuicing btw, you come back when you get a few votes. <3
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:28 am
by mastin2
In post 723, Bert wrote:And nice beetlejuicing btw, you come back when you get a few votes. <3
I'm making a special weekend round; there's nothing special about this game. I'm V/LA during weekends, normally, but I have enough time on this one to post a little bit. (Not a lot.)
I was kinda hoping you'd try to explain it away as something other than this.
After that, his play steadily improved and the logic that he has been providing has at least made sense from the way I have seen that he thinks - the kind of carefully calculated but altogether terrified gameplay. This read is, primarily based on tone/gut so I admit it isn't the thing that I can defend logically very well. Mastin isn't really in my suspect pool right now.