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.....passing through with a picket sign that says vote fitz for scum.....

I mean there is cookies and juice, whats not to like

Herself to Garmr's rescue and the last three Garmr votes equal the scum team. Brilliant.

In post 702, havingfitz wrote:Herself to Garmr's rescue and the last three Garmr votes equal the scum team. Brilliant.

Yeah, if we're lucky. The more likely case is that it's just two of you and the third was on Milked with us.

But I said that at the time and you ignored it here, so whatever.

- Des

I'm beginning to have doubts about Herself, considering Mollie has failed to ask a few of my questions.

Reads are in development right now.

Apologies, ICE, but I'm not buying that T S O's scummy for replacing out when in so many games and under such time constraints. I myself have done something similar under such constraints, and was Town. That you have continued to push this angle leaves more questions than answers at this point. He may indeed be Scum my friend, but from that bit alone I cannot hang him. I've yet to hear anything truly convincing from you as to why we should lynch Eek; sure, we are running out of time, but I'm inclined to believe that we still have some time. If you would please give me truly compelling reasons to vote for Eek, I will do so. As it is so far, I see no reason to hang him, either.

The all-CAPS sentence in the former part of your (621) does little to allay my suspicions of you, instead making me think that bit comes from Scum. Furthermore, Scum may or may not be stalling; I know games where Scum was all-too-active, and it was the town who were dragging their feet. Are you eager to see me vote, ICE? One of the few things I have complete and utter control over is my precious vote, and I'm rather careful with using it. Perhaps you are Scum who wants me to get my vote cast, so that you have even more material to use at your disposal? Combined with the currently flimsy reasons for casting suspicion on Eek and T S O, I'm beginning to see you as Null-Town/Leaning-Scum. Though I have all the respect in the world for you, I cannot in good faith agree with some of your current actions.

You really have a lot of explaining to do, ICE, and if you don't I'll be focusing my beam at you AFTER the the salvo of 19 have already struck their marks. One unique thing about my Annihilator Beam shots is that when they're ignore or brushed-off, they have homing capabilities causing them to never, ever go away. If you continue leaving much to be desired in way of innocence you could be looking at well over 30 shots coming towards you. And yeah, you're a nice guy in general. In (638) you said you were thinking the exact same thing TSB was thinking, about there being some dubious/interesting link between Eek and Fitz. When he said that I didn't understand it at all, and with you agreeing with it in spite of my ability to understand it the first thing that came to my mind was that you two were Scum members. You later mention the weirdness of the Street/Eek interaction, which again, bluntly, I don't fully understand. I never commit to anything I don't thoroughly understand.

While it's true Eek needs to step it up, I'm getting the sense that you're Scum looking for leverage to vote off the presumably easy lynch.

How do you reconcile the existence of games where all 3-4 Scum were on one wagon? What convinces you that Scum is moreso scattered rather than focused?

...ICE, I'm becoming increasingly troubled with your stance. In (647) you again try to find ways to subdue and bring down Eek, like a lion trying to bring down a water buffalo.

As it is right now, I see you as either paranoid Town or persistent Scum.

Combining those two and take a slice out of the middle, . ICE, your full response would be great, as well as everyone else's input.

I really don't mind this situation. No matter what happens even If I get lynched we will still get a treasure trove of information.

If push comes to shove, I vote for Eek so that Town gets some sort of flip information.

In post 598, Wake1 wrote:At this moment I'm trying to gather as much information as I can. Sans that, proper reads can't really come into existence.

Herself (Mollie), hi.

I've got a question for you please. In 495 I asked you guys a few questions. Desperado answered the questions directed towards him and... would you please answer sthose directed towards you too, please? That'd really help. Here they are:

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What's your current read on Regfan?

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Mollie, why do you think Garmr(?) is reaching in your post (392)?

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What's your current read on Kid A?

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To both of you: What's your current Towniest and Scummiest reads?

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Please share your reaction to the Quadraxis/Wake outbreak.

1. I think I have him as town for now and I am treating him as such I believe I have said this already.
2. because to me it looked like he was stretching the argument to force a conclusion? the usual reasons why some1 might say that some1 was reaching?
3. I personally don't have 1.
4. desp has answered this already
5. lemme guess you had this great idea that worked out perfectly in your head about how you were going to be all sneaky and try to stay under the radar and then all of a sudden you would burst into colour all over the thread in your cape and that you would single handedly decimate the scumteam cos they would see your awsumness and they would tremble and immediately drop 50 scumtells confess their scummy little sins and prostrate themselves at your feet while begging for mercy. no? mebbe thats just me then.

tbh I don't see how any of those questions you asked are so important that our alignment hinges on them. most of them you could probably either discern from desp or find the flow of my thoughts.

wake, have you asked fitz any questions? why won't you vote him?

In post 709, Herself wrote:wake, have you asked fitz any questions? why won't you vote him?

I am planning to. The reason he hasn't earned my vote yet, like you and others, is because there's not enough compelling reason to do so. Although, an explanation on your part for wanting me to vote him would be appreciated.

In post 710, Wake1 wrote:

In post 709, Herself wrote:wake, have you asked fitz any questions? why won't you vote him?

I am planning to. The reason he hasn't earned my vote yet, like you and others, is because there's not enough compelling reason to do so. Although, an explanation on your part for wanting me to vote him would be appreciated.

tbh, I am not sure I can offer anything more compelling than what has been already said! I don't have the burning desire to lynch him like desp does but I can see where desp and reggie are coming from.

if I were to get weird about anybody at this point it would be street, mebbe ice. mebbe reggie.

I dunno, something that has been bugging me for a bit; reggie knew right away what I was doing, it was like he it and the only person that I have shared that meta with is emp and desp. nacho just naturally figured that out on his own. so I have this vague weird tie that is keeping me in a state of near hysteria/paranoia epic meltdown that is only being held in check by desp chanting "keep it together keep it together".

also I am not as comfy as every1 else is with ice.

In post 708, Herself wrote:1. I think I have him as town for now and I am treating him as such I believe I have said this already.
2. because to me it looked like he was stretching the argument to force a conclusion? the usual reasons why some1 might say that some1 was reaching?
3. I personally don't have 1.
4. desp has answered this already
5. lemme guess you had this great idea that worked out perfectly in your head about how you were going to be all sneaky and try to stay under the radar and then all of a sudden you would burst into colour all over the thread in your cape and that you would single handedly decimate the scumteam cos they would see your awsumness and they would tremble and immediately drop 50 scumtells confess their scummy little sins and prostrate themselves at your feet while begging for mercy. no? mebbe thats just me then.

Please wait a minute, Mollie.

To question #4, I asked Desperado... but I also asked

In post 711, Herself wrote:

In post 710, Wake1 wrote:

In post 709, Herself wrote:wake, have you asked fitz any questions? why won't you vote him?

I am planning to. The reason he hasn't earned my vote yet, like you and others, is because there's not enough compelling reason to do so. Although, an explanation on your part for wanting me to vote him would be appreciated.

tbh, I am not sure I can offer anything more compelling than what has been already said! I don't have the burning desire to lynch him like desp does but I can see where desp and reggie are coming from.

if I were to get weird about anybody at this point it would be street, mebbe ice. mebbe reggie.

I dunno, something that has been bugging me for a bit; reggie knew right away what I was doing, it was like he

expected

it and the only person that I have shared that meta with is emp and desp. nacho just naturally figured that out on his own. so I have this vague weird tie that is keeping me in a state of near hysteria/paranoia epic meltdown that is only being held in check by desp chanting "keep it together keep it together".

also I am not as comfy as every1 else is with ice.

A post that contains really brief yet condensed points as to why lynching who is alright... helps.

It would be best for everyone if you kept yourself in check.

What would you say is the biggest, most compelling reason as to why I should cast my vote against Street Hassle?

In post 712, Wake1 wrote:

In post 708, Herself wrote:1. I think I have him as town for now and I am treating him as such I believe I have said this already.
2. because to me it looked like he was stretching the argument to force a conclusion? the usual reasons why some1 might say that some1 was reaching?
3. I personally don't have 1.
4. desp has answered this already
5. lemme guess you had this great idea that worked out perfectly in your head about how you were going to be all sneaky and try to stay under the radar and then all of a sudden you would burst into colour all over the thread in your cape and that you would single handedly decimate the scumteam cos they would see your awsumness and they would tremble and immediately drop 50 scumtells confess their scummy little sins and prostrate themselves at your feet while begging for mercy. no? mebbe thats just me then.

Please wait a minute, Mollie.

To question #4, I asked Desperado... but I also asked

you. I don't think Desperado gets to answer for you, Mollie. I want to hear your thoughts...

from you

. You two may be part of a hydra, but there's still two people in there, and two heads than can each be addressed one-to-one. Please don't undo the confidence Desperado gave me for his answering of my questions; it'd be unfair to him especially, whether you two are Town or Scum. I can only say it as nicely as I can: you don't want to do that. So, please Mollie, what's

your

current Towniest and Scummiest reads? In spite of being combine with Desperado, you're allowed to have a differing answer.

Your answer to #5 doesn't help Town.

...those questions are important in general, but it's the reactions to those questions that really matter. How you respond determines your future in this game. If you evade, or redirect, or get defensive, that's a trigger. That triggers causes even more shots to be fired. Nothing needs to be said in defense of this process, because it's self-explanatory.

desp provided a list that we worked hard at coming up with as a consolidated list. I am not going to give an individual 1 cos I feel like it is unnecessary.

my number 1 pet peeve is when players try to drive a wedge in hydras especially wrt readslists. the only reason I not reading you as scum now is cos the motivation behind it feels like you are trying to get a read on me.

I don't see how it is beneficial for town for you to ask me about what I thought of your antics. I found it hard to take that question seriously

In post 713, Wake1 wrote:

In post 711, Herself wrote:

In post 710, Wake1 wrote:

In post 709, Herself wrote:wake, have you asked fitz any questions? why won't you vote him?

I am planning to. The reason he hasn't earned my vote yet, like you and others, is because there's not enough compelling reason to do so. Although, an explanation on your part for wanting me to vote him would be appreciated.

tbh, I am not sure I can offer anything more compelling than what has been already said! I don't have the burning desire to lynch him like desp does but I can see where desp and reggie are coming from.

if I were to get weird about anybody at this point it would be street, mebbe ice. mebbe reggie.

I dunno, something that has been bugging me for a bit; reggie knew right away what I was doing, it was like he

expected

it and the only person that I have shared that meta with is emp and desp. nacho just naturally figured that out on his own. so I have this vague weird tie that is keeping me in a state of near hysteria/paranoia epic meltdown that is only being held in check by desp chanting "keep it together keep it together".

also I am not as comfy as every1 else is with ice.

A post that contains really brief yet condensed points as to why lynching who is alright... helps.

It would be best for everyone if you kept yourself in check.

What would you say is the biggest, most compelling reason as to why I should cast my vote against Street Hassle?

see that is just it, I don't have anything compelling to offer. it is just feels. emp's reaction to desp looked genuine I think, but while emp danced with me he never really got close.

reading their posts is like watching old people have sex. they are so incredibly perfunctory, I mean even emp's "I am wondering if we have scum in our townpile I mean can it really be that easy" is just omg so damn predictable that I don't even know what to do with it. there is a distinct lack of leadership coming from that slot when there shouldn't be.

In post 715, Herself wrote:see that is just it, I don't have anything compelling to offer. it is just feels. emp's reaction to desp looked genuine I think, but while emp danced with me he never really got close.

reading their posts is like watching old people have sex. they are so incredibly perfunctory, I mean even emp's "I am wondering if we have scum in our townpile I mean can it really be that easy" is just omg so damn predictable that I don't even know what to do with it. there is a distinct lack of leadership coming from that slot when there shouldn't be.

I can see why you'd feel this way. But, this is a first time game as Street, and our playstyles are not all that similar. I've been very hesitant to move forward in big ways while Empire hasn't been caught up (which has been most of the last week). And, I feel like the last 12 or so hours of posting is going to be another back to the drawing board session once we do have chance to synch again.

I'm antsy because the deadline looms. I'm also a lot more willing to go with my gut and make quick decisions than I think Empire is. I'd rather be more methodical about figuring out how this partnership should work, though.

Current results.

I would honestly be surprised if BOTH Eek and fitz were scum. I suppose in a game where we have this many competent pro-town players it would be possible, but it just feels implausible that town wagoned two scum already. I don't really want to focus too hard on who is scum for day 2 yet, but I tend to be transparent about what certain flips will make me feel about others. And just about every game I do it someone calls me out for "lining up lynches" or something along those lines but I'm going to keep doing it because I think being clear about that sort of thing is the correct play.

However look at this: The Eek wagon was so close to closing out then all the sudden at the last second a Garmr wagon explodes out of nowhere. This is exactly what I would expect to happen if Eek was scum. It's damn hard to lynch scum on day 1, and wagons on scum fall apart at the drop of a hat. I will admit that Eek put together a half decent case on Garmr, but it is just too little too late for me to be convinced that Garmr is scum and Eeked is town. Also the way that Eek's wagon just fell apart in favor of what is probably an easily pushed mislynch at this point (Garmr) makes me fairly confident of where my vote is.

Now to respond to Wake:

Wake wrote: Apologies, ICE, but I'm not buying that T S O's scummy for replacing out when in so many games and under such time constraints. I myself have done something similar under such constraints, and was Town. That you have continued to push this angle leaves more questions than answers at this point.

I found it really scummy, and I was frustrated as hell that hardly anyone else saw it. I suppose it's possible that I was wrong, but it just seems super damning to me. I continued to push it because I continued to believe it.

That being said, I recognized that his lynch wasn't going to happen today so I more or less dropped it except when people brought it up, at least for now.

Wake wrote: I've yet to hear anything truly convincing from you as to why we should lynch Eek; sure, we are running out of time, but I'm inclined to believe that we still have some time.

If you haven't been convinced by what I've said then you probably aren't going to be convinced. I'm happy with where my vote is, I've given ample reasoning for it, and multiple players have found my reasons sound and have agreed with me. I honestly can live with a few players disagreeing with me so long as we don't end up lynching retarded, like say Garmr. You may be less paranoid about running out of time but I've been in games where we go right up to deadline and it is stressful as HELL. Not everyone is online, people change their vote to places they're less happy with it, and scum usually get their way (and sometimes multiple claims if they're lucky. I do NOT want that happening here).

Wake wrote: Scum may or may not be stalling; I know games where Scum was all-too-active, and it was the town who were dragging their feet.

Who benefits from avoiding all the lynchable wagons until the very last second? Who benefits from making themselves harder to read in the vote counts? That's right, scum do. I like your content so I'm having a hard time pinning you as scum (and I'm glad no one took my suggestion to policy lynch you seriously, I apologize for that by the way I was just incredibly frustrated with the state of the game), but the fact that you continue to hold your vote doesn't seem to serve any town purpose.

Wake wrote: How do you reconcile the existence of games where all 3-4 Scum were on one wagon? What convinces you that Scum is moreso scattered rather than focused?

The fact that there hasn't been a wagon of more than 3 or 4 people this game pretty much period. I think there might have been a couple pages where Eek had 5? Sure some games scum pile their votes on, but think about it. Scum have day talk. This game has been dragging on RIDICULOUSLY. There were (at the time of me making that post) 6 players with solo votes or no votes, which is just shy of . There weren't 3 scum on one wagon, I would bet the game on it.

Wake wrote: In (647) you again try to find ways to subdue and bring down Eek, like a lion trying to bring down a water buffalo.

As it is right now, I see you as either paranoid Town or persistent Scum.

I'm not sure how to respond to that. Eek referred to Street scum hunting him as busing a scum buddy. It looked like Eek screwed up and admitted something he hasn't, don't tell me you've never seen noob scum do that before.

At least now it feels like you're actually reading my posts.

You haven't contributed as much as others. Why?

What is your read of me? You've neglected to do so, even in your read post (280).

Currently, is Havingfitz leaning more Town or Scum in your opinion?



Your posts are as big if not bigger than mine. What do you make of that?

What's your read on The Silver Bard and MME, and have you made any changes?

Who is your top current Scum read, and would you list three reasons why?

Do you think Squirrel Girl has deliberately tried to find ways to lynch me?



If there were someone here who was shifty, twisted words, and misrepresented people, who would it be?

Do you think my Annihilator Beam shots help Town by means of extracting information?

Would you be willing to simmer down a bit? Town works better with cool heads.

Why are you so intent on lynching MME? The reasons need some weight, please.



In as few words as possible, between Herself and Garmr who is the better vote and why?

What's your exact read on LolWagon? Please be as brutally honest as possible.

Would you be willing to work with Garmr to tone it down and more civilly search for Scum?

What does your gut tell you about who's Scum?



Why shouldn't I vote for you?

If you were to die today, in a neat package what's the most helpful info you could gift us?

Are you prepared to claim if you reach L-1?

If there were someone here who was shifty, twisted words, and misrepresented people, who would it be?

What do you think of those who imply my Annihilator Beam isn't useful for Town?

Wouldn't Scum try to argue to diminish it? If I were Scum, I certainly .

Do you have any completed games you could link in which you were Scum, please?

Wake, where in the world are you in this thread? Read the last few pages to get all the answers to your questions.
No seriously. Stop the questions until Day 2. Get to reading, the last three, four pages were quite eventful. I don't want you dicking around asking questions and not giving us any information on the latest developments.

In post 721, My Milked Eek wrote:Wake, where in the world are you in this thread? Read the last few pages to get all the answers to your questions.
No seriously. Stop the questions until Day 2. Get to reading, the last three, four pages were quite eventful. I don't want you dicking around asking questions and not giving us any information on the latest developments.

I'm sorry Eek, you're a nice guy, but I don't think it's going to work that way. I would rather ask you questions directly, rather than hunt and guess, and assume what it is you're meaning. Asking questions is explicitly how you gather information. Please Eek, answer those four questions. I'm planning to provide some more reads on the latest developments, but in the meantime your willingness to work with me on behalf of Town is what's keeping me from striking you down with my vote at the moment.

Wake, I find your questions towards Eek odd, with maybe the exception of the first one. He just posted a huge case on Garmr, he's already claimed (I take it back that you're fully reading the thread), and has pretty much used those exact words to describe me.

Why are you asking so many questions? Many of these are completely irrelevant (I agree with Herself's thoughts on your questions directed to her). I'm starting to feel like a lot of your questions are just to make it look like you're scum hunting. I'm getting really twitchy regarding you.

Some of your questions are fine. Some of them are pointless. I feel like the first two you're asking me are loaded questions. I definitely would question your motives of asking such empty questions as town, though I can see a merit in a scum strategy of using your shitty and pointless questions to invalidate the ones that matter (for example your questions towards TvK. Those are all very pertinent).

I have 3 completed scum games.

First was this game where I was strung up and destroyed day 1.

Second was tihs game where...I was strung up and destroyed day 1. I'm not very good scum.

Finally is this one where I believe a seriously lucky role block gave me a HUGE advantage where I more or less lead town around some crazy wild goose chase using more info than I should have had. It was pretty much the only decent game I've ever played as scum.

In post 719, Wake1 wrote:Garmr


———✹ If there were someone here who was shifty, twisted words, and misrepresented people, who would it be?

I feel like EEK would be that person half of that case he posted on me before could be demolished with a simple read of the posts i was responding to or previous posts of mine. Some of the cases contridict and some of them are just twisted meanings. It was like he was looking at singular posts and not the whole.

———✹ Do you think my Annihilator Beam shots help Town by means of extracting information?

I think it's meh I don't understand the benefits or cons it could have.

———✹ Would you be willing to simmer down a bit? Town works better with cool heads.

If you manage to convince SG to give me a hug maybe -puff cheeks- (In other words I'll just make jokes to blow off my steam from now on)

———✹ Why are you so intent on lynching MME? The reasons need some weight, please.

I 100 percent believe his scum and his potential slips,misreps and just outright ignoring are just some of the evidence of that.

My answers are in a diff Pimping