1) Have you ever played with DV before in a game?
2) Please explain how "knowing more people" relates to your actions upon entering this game.
Obfuscation is now added to the lack of sincerity.
Very good. I see you have totally ignored my question "Ingenuine
how
?", and added obfuscation, and changed ingenuine to insincere. If you could be a bit more clear in your thoughts it will help me to develop a read on you.
1) Considering your 2) it's strange that you ask this. Because you are saying that having played with people is not game related, or is insincere, or ingenuine (actually I don't know what you're specifically saying because you never clarified just what it was that you found not genuine, but rather steamrolled on with an 'obfuscation' accusation), and here you are asking me to provide *more* information which you apparently find scummy.
The answer is Yes: I've played with Deas (who I think is fun), and mastin (who I see somewhat as a mentor), and Pere, and Smudger, and Nero Cain, and one other player under an undisclosed alt. I also know RachMarie as she modded my first game.
So I'm conversant with several
personalities
in this game, and I think that will aid me in getting reads on players.
2) Probably answered in the above unless you have something more specific or clear to ask.
UNVOTE: mastin VOTE: Doc
In post 19, talah wrote:- Answer my question about what you found ingenuine
- I think I just realised what the fuck you're talking about regarding "MOAR" people, and the reason I mentioned it was that I actually said "Hi!" To Deas, then Pere posted and I hadn't noticed he was in the playerlist (and then spotted a couple others)
- I'm sheeping Deas to get a more solid read on him, and I think his vote on Doc was legit
- I'm also aware of shitting up the thread when only a handful of folks have posted so far, so here's a hint and an adieu: I'm town and you're barking up the wrong tree if you are too.
In post 22, talah wrote:I got major suspicion on Deas during RVS last time we played together. I wasn't burned at all.
Dunno how you form reads, but I tend to like to interact in different ways with people and assess whether I think their responses are genuine or not, and whether they make sense and are consistent with the gamestate.
Anyway, carry on.
In post 27, talah wrote:Ffs, can you let me get back to cleaning my house for my rental inspection on Tuesday? I'll take any other interrogation on notice for the next 24 hours, kay?
Deas is a dude unless I have alzheimers. Mobile Suit Gundam SEED in large themes topic.
I think Deas voting Doc for (Doc) making a vote which was "fuck that guy", deserved pressure because it was a bad vote, but mainly I like the fact that he (Deas) latched onto it and naked voted because I think that he (Deas) tends to get over-explanatory as scum, dotting i's and crossing t's where town probably wouldn't. So I liked it fine and given my mastin vote was pure RVS and reaction-fishing, and mastin hasn't posted, switched quite happily to simultaneously get a better read on Deas, and find out what Doc was about.
No results yet because I'm being hijacked by you. Nevertheless I'm noting the Pere/Admiral interaction. Dunno what to think about bjc or Doc yet, maybe slight scum on Doc. You I'll abstain on for now.
In post 59, Zdenek wrote:
Taleh, is this DV dotting i's and crossing t's?
I really dislike that first sentence and that question about why someone would ask for a link to a game odd.
It seems more like commentary/observation to me, and having had to specify so early one of the major things I'd look for in scumreading Deas virtually invalidates it. I do have a few other things I'd be keeping an eye out for but for now I'm not concerned and happy to lean town.
In post 36, aptil wrote:Bjc already looks like he is going to be a lynch bait here .
Talah is bad all over . He has one decent post explaining his decisions otherwise he has been bad all over .
So if I've had a bunch of 'bad' posts and one 'decent' post what's your opinion? Was the 'decent' post enough to invalidate all of the 'bad' posts, or are you weighing my alignment only numerically on your opinion of what posts are 'bad' or 'decent'?
Also I left the bjc thing in because lynchbait can only be town, right? So you're townreading bjc? Why?
In post 40, DeasVail wrote:Talah 1) Called for allies 2) Blindly sheeped those allies 3) Reacted badly to a case being made. For early day one, that's a slam dunk case that I'm not going to "wait and see" on.
1)
What allies did I call for? Was it:
a)
Deas and mastin, suggesting if we're all town we might join forces, in the extremely early (as in, I-couldn't-possibly-have-a-read early) response garnering comment I made?
or,
b)
The entire roster of people I have previously interacted with in the playerlist?
2)
Who were the other
allies
that I was *also* sheeping?
I'll tell you right now that I've sheeped
scumreads
before, because I think it's a useful way to find out if there's conviction and validity behind a case, and to see of others join a wagon and why.
3)
What case did I react badly to? The case being made about me? Which I know to be bullshit? Do tell me how I was supposed to react in your eyes to a super-early overblown case which was 'ur post ain genuwin son', or if you're referring to something else, please clarify.
You appear to be twisting words to exaggerate the validity of your vote, and I might add that your entrance was pretty much what you appear to be accusing me of, in that you sheep Mister and appear to buddy up to him by implicitly agreeing with everything he's said and adding the 'coalition' statement.
In post 89, talah wrote:Borked quote tags in my post 87, should be this.
In post 62, Doc Holliday wrote:Talah 1) Called for allies 2) Blindly sheeped those allies 3) Reacted badly to a case being made. For early day one, that's a slam dunk case that I'm not going to "wait and see" on.
In post 93, talah wrote:Oh god, mastin rolled scum and it looks like multifaction.
mastin - why did you delete the spacing in the quote of mine you posted? I actually responded to Mister, addressed everyone else I'd played with generally, then asked Mister a question (which is apparent in the fact that I, well, readdressed him with the @ symbol). Removing the spacing makes it look like the entire thing was in response to the quote, which it wasn't.
Secondly why are my and Mister's interactions town vs scum? Do you think I fooled Mister to the point where he's no longer voting me - meaning he's town and his push was good but he's wrong?
Lastly I'll post as much as I like thank you very much. Less than 4 pages a day on day 1 is *nothing* compared to recent larges and I know you know that just from the fact that you were in FE:A and Gundam. So this proposal just seems like a way to squash free conversation and possibly give yourself a reason to complain about excessive activity if you decide to lurk.
In post 93, talah wrote:Secondly why are my and Mister's interactions town vs scum? Do you think I fooled Mister to the point where he's no longer voting me - meaning he's town and his push was good but he's wrong?
Yeah, you're scum. This line of thought simply doesn't come from a town player. Town player? "Why do you think Rogers is town? Why do you think I'm scum?" Scum player? "Why do you think our interactions are town vs. scum?" (Making an assumption that interactions have anything to do with the read. They might contribute to the overall picture, but are largely irrelevant.) "...Also, he unvoted me; surely that makes him either scum or wrong." (That's essentially what talah's saying, here.)
mastin I *knew* that I could get a good read on you based on your entrance. Your town and scum entrances are
vastly
different even though you don't seem aware of the differences.
A big ping was immediately differing reads. I don't think you put down more than two or three insta-reads which you actually have any meat behind. In the last game we played together where we hydra'd, I understood your reads *immediately*. I expected you to enter the thread with either slight disdain for my aggression or a hearty 'hullo' and you've done neither. You've not tried to connect with me; not tried to *get* a read on me - you've simply said I'm scum and voted me.
(Which is super interesting considering you've just voted someone else even though you think I'm
definitely
scum).
Are you interested in why I think it's multi-scum based on your one post? Because I have a clear though process on that, too.
In post 107, mastin2 wrote:Talah was a scumread for much of the reasoning Rogers presented, though my own wording is slightly different--basically, there's nothing genuine about talah's posting; it's hollow, shallow, easily faked and overall just feeling plain empty. He's playing a highly-reactionary game rather than a proactive one, and overall, he feels like he's not scumhunting; he feels like he's trying to get a feeling for how to manipulate players.
Let me address this first: "Hollow, shallow, easily faked and overall just feeling plain empty."
Your words. Can you point out instances of this, or are you happy to simply to cast a huge aspersion on my character without explaining your own thinking?
Secondly - how are you asserting that *I* think that it's town vs scum when I clearly implied that I am tending to think that Mister and I is town versus town?
I'm oh so happy to spend the time requoting myself and yourself in context if you disagree that that was my indication.
Disappointed that you're scum this game
VOTE: mastin2
In post 112, talah wrote:Your entry reads this game are utter shit. Unless you're prepared to back them up where a direct question is asked, they're inauthentic.
This much I know is true.
I also know that I have played precisely *one* scumgame which I'm happy to link if you're not aware of it, and that you've played *many*, written articles, talked about scum agendas. I know you a bit better than you think, especially after Time: The Distortion.
Why didn't you *try* to form a read on me? Are you basing your read one one post and butthurt because I called you scum from your entrance? Is that a mastin reason to have a scumread?
If I'm scum fo' sho' - why not get me lynched so you can be vindicated obvtown? Contrary to what you're presenting, you're an excellent orator, so it should be no problem for you to iterate specifics in my "case". You only have trouble explaining gut reads initially as town. You very rarely let time pass where your scumreads are gut if someone asks you *why*, in my experience. This personal distancing is troubling to me.
talah wrote:So this proposal just seems like a way to squash free conversation and possibly give yourself a reason to complain about excessive activity if you decide to lurk.
Why do you think this could potentially happen?
Why do I think what could happen?
Agree with your tentative scumreads except for Admiral at this stage. Also surprised Smudger hasn't turned up yet. Rach leans Town. I'll give a lovely reads-spam in the next day or two.
What are your thoughts on mastin so far? I'm not asking you to pick a side, just interested.
In post 134, talah wrote:I'll be back in about 36 hours (maybe sooner if I can get some quality forum time at work).
Covering off what I recall as some questions raised/comments I thought to make:
- Rach your couple of posts felt genuine, so gut at this stage.
- mastin would be fine defending against a meta argument with meta, however, what I'm saying is that I spotted two triggers for me - a bad-looking opening readslist and an entrance which was something I didn't expect from what I know of her personality. That coupled with a pretty opportunistic vote on me hit me in the face like a sledgehammer.
- I'm going to have to have a think about my multi-scum assumption, but it was a bit ego-related and I can explain better where I'm at with it in a bit.
- Zdenek, from your perspective don't you think it's a reasonable assumption that if a person votes you and says on the very next line that the person attacking you is town, that they're assuming an argument is town vs scum? Couple that with the fact that for a supposed 'reaction vote' on me - I was the player who'd already come under the most scrutiny up to that point. So mastin's happy to townread, say, aptil on the basis of one very shonky post, but needs to reaction-test me when I'm the player who already has the most in-thread content to read from?
- aptil, underwhelmed by your response. Can you tell me what it is that's making you townread bjc on the basis of him saying "I'm scum" please.
Anyway, I don't think there's any reason for the Doc wagon to die, and regardless it's probably a bad idea to lynch mastin Day 1 on the off chance that she's town. So will be keeping an eye on.
In post 112, talah wrote:If I'm scum fo' sho' - why not get me lynched so you can be vindicated obvtown? Contrary to what you're presenting, you're an excellent orator, so it should be no problem for you to iterate specifics in my "case". You only have trouble explaining gut reads initially as town. You very rarely let time pass where your scumreads are gut if someone asks you *why*, in my experience.
This
personal distancing
is troubling to me.
Can someone, anyone, please explain what the bolded re the underlined actually means; I am having trouble getting the exact point and I feel its important.
Should really be me that explains myself shouldn't it? (I'm reading along, I just really don't have time to post much until tomorrow evening.)
The last game I played was with mastin, in a hydra. It was a small game, but between us we communicated fairly amiably and sparsely and managed to pretty much align reads and identify the scumteam with pretty decent accuracy. The last two large games I'd played before that (including Gundam SEED) had mastin in them. In Gundam particularly, mastin was dayvigged by scum on Day 1 and I spent much of the remainder of the day trying to scream down a lynch on the vig. mastin *ranted* in the dead thread about how he liked my play and that people should be listening to me.
So I feel like at least we have an amiable connection to the point where if mastin's town, I'd like to work with her, and I'd think that she'd be far more cautious and wanting to determine my alignment rather than just dropping a vote on me and then telling me I know virtually nothing about her.
So anyway, that's it. I feel like I'm getting overinvested in this line of thinking and it's clouding my judgement so I'm just going to note my scumread on mastin and keep sorting through other reads.
Edit: Mister, I'm not tackling mastin on a meta argument because I'm not an expert on mastin-meta and frankly don't have the time to take it to ffery/cabd-like levels which would be the only level I'd actually be comfortable saying 'well, this is statistically significant'. That's not my issue, and the post you quoted is not something I can argue with because
I don't know
. My issue is
what *I* know of mastin
, and the difference here in this game. And as mentioned just above I feel like I want to *not* get involved in a shitfight about it when I could be spending time thinking about players' motivations.
See all of this? This is what talah produced, as town, in the span of only a few days.
Note the post numbers.
He was active in the RVS.
He was giddy, even.
He contributed actively, and gave good content. Even in the RVS. Posting a ton of good stuff.
He's posted less this game in its entirety than he did there in such a short period of time.
Adaptive Heap wrote:I'm here! Even though it's six bloody a.m.
So Scumfuck, are you two going to be imitooting each other exarctly?
-t
Adaptive Heap wrote:Heh, I haven't really caught up with mastin, we have a handful of 'hai there' posts in our hydra QT and that's about it. I've decided to sign my posts because I'm embracing the hydra experience.
Adaptive Heap wrote:Briefly regarding mastin's reads - seems we didn't need to sync at all.
I had Lucky down as questionable because the main effect of voting Scumfuck was to create a (second) L-2 wagon, but the content given in that post was pure RVS. The tone of the post seemed a bit exaggerated to me as well (as did DOMO's entrance, actually).
Messiah's initial vote obviously had some humour behind it. Scumfuck-ffery-head I know to not be a fan of RVS so no vote is nothing unusual - it might take me a bit more time to firm up a townread here but certainly feeling 'human'. catboi was the first poster (enthusiasm) and I thought we'd have good times voting down the list in sequence (which means, actually, that Messiah broke the pattern ^_-)
Hum, so yeah no masky yet - looking forward to that grand entrance!
-t
And so on. active out of the gates.
Immediately.
And continuously.
Getting lazy, but Same thing in this game. Admittedly, he's a bit slower, but the content's still there and still strong. Similar in Gundam Seed: not quite as active, but ridiculously active overall. Active posting. Lots of content. Solid posting.
Let's take a look at games I'm not in. This one, same thing. Active immediately; you can tell on just the first page. Here, replaced in and was active immediately throughout the whole game.
That's talah as town.
This talah? This talah is...not like that at all.
That help?
One thing about not seeing talah as scum is that there's not much OF talah to be seen. And I think that's alignment-indicative.
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:44 pm
by mastin2
tl;dr,
talah as town produces an insane amount of content, good posting with a good town.
talah this game has produced significantly less content in significantly more time, and what little content he has is focused on me.
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:09 pm
by Sharpest-knife-on-tree
It seems to me that a tit for tat match has gone on between 2 players who face failed expectations. When I read over their interactions Mastin/Talah this is what I get. Sadly doesn't give me a good direction yet. Unfortunately they are both going to be stuborn and force the issue one way or another.
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:15 pm
by TiphaineDeath
:/ I don't like meta cases, and nothing Talah has actually done reads scummy to me.
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:18 pm
by mastin2
In post 708, TiphaineDeath wrote::/ I don't like meta cases, and nothing Talah has actually done reads scummy to me.
It's not just meta.
In post 705, mastin2 wrote:One thing about not seeing talah as scum is that there's not much OF talah to be seen. And I think that's alignment-indicative.
It's something which is slightly suspicious by itself that meta just so happens to enhance.
(And that's just the most recent points. There's more.)
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:31 pm
by Metal Sonic
I believe mastin' read on talah.
But we can only lynch 1 scum per day so take it one step at a time
But we can only lynch 1 scum per day so take it one step at a time
fair enough... my impression can be wrong...
vote talah...
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:54 pm
by TiphaineDeath
Did that response make sense to anyone?
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:59 pm
by Natirasha
Dude that's shit cuz Talah's been super inactive like the last three months.
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:03 pm
by mastin2
In post 714, Natirasha wrote:Dude that's shit cuz Talah's been super inactive like the last three months.
talah's been plenty active. (I'm not sure of the legality in linking to talah's posting history. But not really needed to tell.)
Oh, and by the way Nati.
This all you have to say and comment on?
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:11 pm
by Natirasha
Yeah I'm not reading this thread.
Scumtell me all you like.
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:12 pm
by TiphaineDeath
No really, anyone else who is paying the least bit of attention, did that talah vote feel like something the SKOT we've been dealing with all game would do?
Am I the only one who thinks he has been replaced by a radioactive space alien?
In post 717, TiphaineDeath wrote:No really, anyone else who is paying the least bit of attention, did that talah vote feel like something the SKOT we've been dealing with all game would do?
Am I the only one who thinks he has been replaced by a radioactive space alien?
Like a really scummy radioactive space alien?
you still haven't learned have you, love the response though... gave me a good laugh...
here is the thing, the Mastin-Talah thing is going to keep on till resolved. You think they are both town. the MS hydra, which also read as town think Talah is scum. I ain't got one way or another. It does feel to me tit for tat. Going down the Talah path is consistent with what I do, whether you think it is scummy or not. Please note, I do things in a moment and see what comes about. Mastin will continue to do what she does as there is a donkey head. In the meantime we are going to be party to pages and reems of mastin and talah knocking at each other.
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:39 pm
by talah
In post 682, talah wrote:Anyway I'm just going to underline in bright red pen Necro=Scum and go find the others. At this stage I'm thinking Rach, possibly SSK, ZZZX, and *maybeee* Starflower depending on Sakura's input. Nati and Pere I have zero clue. Saki's absent which I think is actually slightly townleaning. Anyway.
Knife - what are you misunderstanding about this^
Seriously - I'm not drowning in bullshit day 1 this game. Mastin can talk to herself for the rest of Day 1.
And...
Can I just clarify you're looking at a *policy lynch* just to quell noise?
And you're voting *me*?
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:43 pm
by Antihero
hey talah
you actually going to do something else or is taht part of the bluster too?
In post 682, talah wrote:Anyway I'm just going to underline in bright red pen Necro=Scum and go find the others. At this stage I'm thinking Rach, possibly SSK, ZZZX, and *maybeee* Starflower depending on Sakura's input. Nati and Pere I have zero clue. Saki's absent which I think is actually slightly townleaning. Anyway.
Knife - what are you misunderstanding about this^
Seriously - I'm not drowning in bullshit day 1 this game. Mastin can talk to herself for the rest of Day 1.
And...
Can I just clarify you're looking at a *policy lynch* just to quell noise?
And you're voting *me*?
not a policy lynch, nope. I am just doing what I do. Find a direction, gather information, recalibrate and so on. I have seen enough from mastin/anti at this point to consider town. You say you are going to go find others but have not given any evidence. You actually have been giving Mastin's argument room. When Mastin tires of tunneling you she will return to how awful I am.
My befuddling TD is no surprise, even though have tried to let him get in sight. I am alien to here, at least he has that part down right. LOL.
