Mini 1637- Pokemon Generation I uPick (Game Over)

[TierShift]

Yay!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Eerily quiet around deadline.

I hate this.

It's Sunday morning, and I assume most people were asleep.

I was planning to stay up to watch the Australian Open final at 3 AM ET, but that didn't quite work out.

I hope Micc flips scum. I don't even understand why you were reading Micc town in the first place. If you're town, then the lack of reasons to have Micc as town contributed to this lynch regardless of Micc's alignment. No one came up with reasons in the later crucial stages that pointed to why Micc seems town (that I can recall). Your case seemed to be "I don't have to explain my townreads since they mean nothing, but the case on Micc sucks."

Nothing I could have said or done would have changed this lynch. It was already decided.

[TierShift]

Remember my words!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Tier, I'm lynching you tomorrow.

[TierShift]

No, you're not. I expect one of you or micc to be scum. Exactly one. If micc flips scum, you are welcome to bow and kiss my feet as your supreme ruler.

[TierShift]

If

both

1. Micc flips scum

AND

2. FULL role pm's flip or FULL ability explanations flip

are fulfilled,

I am using my action on Metal Sonic tonight.

[TierShift]

Metal Sonic, if you're town, you'll gain important knowledge. Please don't share it until my death.

[Egg]

Page 11 - Agree with NM and I don't think KBW is scum either. Scum would try too hard to make good posts and that's not what I'm seeing in KBW

Page 19 - Egg's comment made me go ISO KBW to get a reread on him. Just did that and KBW hasn't done much to change my read :/.

So you still think he's town after ISOing or...? Because the second quote feels like you are maintaining a scum read without the first quote to support it.

I've explained my tiershift read

If this is true, I'm sure all find it in your ISO but your reasons that I remember are pretty much "lynch tier", "tier is scum", and "sheep me on tier".

LMS has been on my scum list since page 5 and you've furthered that so how the hell are you obvtown?

You're still scummy whether LMS was in this game or not

Uhhhh. So which is it?

Hmm. BBT's post where he says he'd lynch a lurker and acknowledges his own inactivity is pretty town. His logic that Tier can't scum read him and accept that he might be town at the same time is bad logic though. No one has perfect reads in every game and acknowledging that is a sign of good play, not a scum tell. The only thing Tier has done that might be scum is his push on Metal Sonic, but I feel he's been pretty logical even on that. I really hate this phrase, but this feels town vs town. Both players seem to genuinely believe they are right.

Marquis vs Flames on the other hand probably has scum in it. Marquis' post about no interest in the day is bad. But on reflection, I don't know that scum Marquis would say that. Flames' BBT vote had no explanation whatsoever and then the Marquis thing seemed like a throwaway comment. Leaning Flames scum and Marquis bad town.

Tier, can you explain your town read on Flames?

I'm gonna do ISOs now. And I won't be offended if you guys wait until Day 2 to respond to my stuff.

[TierShift]

I really hate this phrase, but this feels town vs town.

Did you see the part where I said micc is scum out of micc/bbt? I feel like you missed that.

Townread on flames will be explained tomorrow, probably.

[Wisdom]

whats the point on doing isos before seeing what micc will flip?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This 'twilight' could last a week.

Tier, whilst you have time, can you answer my post?

[Egg]

Bert:
ISO 6 - Not claiming his pokemon is probably null itself. But his reasoning of not knowing what info scum has seems like a legitimate worry unless he is scum with specific info that tells him knowing everyone's pokemon will help. I can't think of what that info might be, so I lean towards the town side of this.
10- he saw what I saw regarding Keyblade. I tend to townread these situations because it shows his head is probably in a town mindset looking for scum.
12 - reasonable conclusion for the above.
13-16 good questions and feels like a natural pregression on the Seo scum read. I'd like to know how strong this read is now though.
24/25 don't get the Not Mafia hate. "Tossing questions" doesn't seem scummy to me.
29 lurker lynch thing, I can go either way on. Town who wants more activity or scum testing waters. What I can conclude from this for sure is that if Bert flips scum later, he had at least one buddy who was active in the thread at that time. He wouldn't make that post with two lurking scumbuddies.
31-45 bert came out of his exchange with me looking town in my opinion. He felt very open and genuine. I don't get the feeling he was trying to decieve me or hide anything at all. His reads list wasn't the best, but the conversation felt pretty real.
46 I like the BBT call out but would like to know why he was singled out over other lurkers.
49 BBT kind of asked the same thing I wondered above, but Bert's answer references a post that came after 46 so that doesn't help me much.
53 good points to when talking to BBT, but it's more about optimal play than it is about BBT's alignment.
Overall - I like Bert for town right now.

BBT:
9 questioning town reads on one's self is one of my favorite town tells
10 this keyblade vote is hard to judge without knowing keyblade's alignment.
13/14 keyblade vote got easier to judge. I don't like it now.
15/16 would like to know why BBT naked voted flames for exactly one post before returning back to Keyblade.
18: tier scum read feels genuine. The keyblade one not so much. Mixed feelings. Theory: BBT is frustrated with Keyblade's play and wants him to be scum.

People read better through post links than quote walls IMO.

^for the record, I rarely click links.
19-23: I like most of BBT's reasoning. Not a strong town tell or anything, but he's using his head. He's probably capable of faking all of these stances though. Wouldn't be hard.
25. Apology for lurking and "shit attempt to play" reads like he feels bad. Not sure scum would do this. Or at least it would sound forced from scum.
27 goodposting and explains the Micc town read.
31-35 getting that same good reasoning vibe.
39-42 weird reads but he seems to back them up pretty well.
43-66 shows he believes in his read and looks more confident in his play than before. Not something I expect from scum who is being discussed for a lynch.
67-current reads town regardless of Micc's flip. He'd have hammered a buddy sooner and BBT just didn't read like he wanted to lynch his town read. Perfectly fair.
Overall : BBT is probtown.

Espeonage:
0 Bert vote seems ok. Claim seems legit. I don't really see scum doing this unless they think their actual role seems like a town role which I haven't ruled out
1-12 fluff, unexplained reads, discussing his claim, and a hint of setup spec.
13: In hindsight, it's funny that he thought he'd draw doc protection. Scum aren't gonna kill him the way he's played.
14-31 useless and obnoxious
32: actually a pretty decent vote
33-35 useless and fluffy
36: I like that he questions town reads on him.
Overall: his play is shit regardless of alignment. The hints of actually playing the game look town though and I believe his sort of claim. I've basically stashed Espeonage to the back of my mind, but consider him a town read.

Flames:
0: the lastman read is weird as hell because that post was null as fuck. BBT vote is decent though.
2: I feel like I get what he is saying but I'm coming to the opposite conclusion even just using his reasoning.
3-8: the Keyblade callout is good. I get slight town vibes from referencing his own role so early. Not sure I like how much time he spends talking about flavor claims.
9-22 pretty fluffy here. Not saying a whole lot.
23-26 Not sure why but that whole catch up felt forced to me. See my last post for a couple of specific issues.
29 not so sure scum would take this stance on Metal Sonic, actually, unless he had a buddy being wagoned or specifically wanted no lynch. He seems to actually disbelieve the claim and think Sonic is scum. Of course, Micc could be Flames' buddy, but then why not just vote BBT?
35 lol there's that BBT vote. Maybe Flames IS scum with Micc.
Overall: Honestly, I came out of this less confident in Flames being scum than I expected. I definitely have issues with his play and wouldn't call him a town read, but his ISO didn't look as scummy as I expected it to if that makes sense.

Keyblade:
0-2 doing jack shit
3 says he has nothing to say. Now he's actively choosing to do jack shit.
4/5 jack shit
6 says no one is scummy. We're all town. Town wins. Game over. That was fun.
8 still no scum and says we are in RVS. This feels like a lie. RVS ended five pages before this post when things started happening.
9 confirms that he believes Espeonage's claim was a joke.
11 points out he is L-2
11-14 says he'll re-read
15/16 lists a few scum reads. No reasons.
17-20 jack shit
21: now we have Keyblade's first reason for a read.
Overall - there isn't much here but I don't like the little bit that I see. Still scum reading this.

Lastman/Metal Sonic:
Lastman:
0-3 I feel like he's taunting/trolling BBT and Keyblade. Probably not scum with Keyblade.
4-7 there is nothing here.
Metal Sonic:
0 opens with the unkillable claim. Reserving judgement.
2-5 reads with no reasons and fluff.
6 I actually don't get the impression that Wisdom is concerned with his image. I think he just plays mafia to troll because he thinks it's funny to act like a stubborn child in a game that people take seriously. I don't think he plays to a win condition. He plays to frustrate people.
8-24 a lot of fluff and instigating the Wisdom hate seemingly for the sake of it. what is going on here
25 naked vote on Keyblade. Last I knew, Metal was kiwi wa baka reading Keyblade or something. What does that mean? Was that a scum read? Any reasons?
27-40 tier is scum and micc is town and as far as I can tell the reasoning is pretty much just because.
41 can you elaborate on this? Who is scum with keyblade and why?
53 sonic is townreading BBT. Also appears to be just because
Overall- not impressed. Not sure what to make of it.

Marquis:
0-17 all I see here is Marquis is scumreading Bert and we don't get to know why
18 here's the post I commented on before.
Overall - there is nothing here except the slight town tell in 18.

I'm catching myself skimming and losing interest. I still have to do Not Mafia, seo, Tier, and Wisdom. My initial reads on those players are town, wavering, town, weak scum respectively. Those could change.

Town to scum as of right now:
BBT
Bert
Tier
Not Mafia
Espeonage
Marquis
Metal
Seo
Wisdom
Flames
Keyblade

Ok, I'll do the other four on Day 2 if they are all still alive

[Egg]

Tier, true but this happened:

I'm not voting micc. He's a scumread, but not nearly as much as my other ones.
Preferred lynch is between MS or BBT. I think I might prefer BBT, actually.
VOTE: bbt

And that's about where I was on my read when I typed that.

Wisdom, I said I would do them before we knew Micc was even being lynched. Just following through the best I can. I don't see any reason to put it off just because Micc is dying.

[Wisdom]

oh okay didnt remember that

[Flames682]

Uhhhh. So which is it?

Um, they don't contradict themselves. I've said both times MS is scum

[Flames682]

Flames' BBT vote had no explanation

I have no need to re-explain something when people already stated why he was scum and I thought it was a sound case.

[Metal Sonic]

so why did we speed hammer again ?

[Flames682]

Deadline is February 1st, 2015, at 11 AM EST. This is in (expired on 2015-02-01 11:00:00)

[Seohyun]

Extraordinarily long twilight

[Metal Sonic]

This is giving me a bad impression of not science's modding skills. Doesn't he have a comod? Ffs

[Metal Sonic]

Oh and game related content:

If

both

1. Micc flips scum

AND

2. FULL role pm's flip or FULL ability explanations flip

are fulfilled,

I am using my action on Metal Sonic tonight.

1 the sky falls

2 the coin flips head


Then you will pass me the valuable information.

Don't buy it, sounds like a sham

[Metal Sonic]

Sounds like a lucky draw scam

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This is awful modding.

[Bert]

Moderator hasn't posted in this game in 5 days 8 hours

Also, Micc has lurked 3 days and counting now, 2 since being lynched. I hope I'm not speaking too soon, and that its a good omen.

[Micc]

I'm not sure what you want me to say. I didnt have a good grasp on this game from the get-go. Every attempt I made to get involved lead to me being attacked. I wasnt confident enough in anything to defend myself, and when I got last minute notice that I was traveling over the weekend I decided this wasn't worth spending time on. I feel like ive left a fairly analyzable wagon, and id encourage you all not to forget about it in the endgame.

Good news is that i can offer notty some backup mod help now, cause i think he needs it.