Open 598: GAME OVER

[ika]

@grand cayman (or anyone else who wants to answer): Who are/were the best players in this game in your opinion? What skills make them good?

nobody, and yes this is 100% including myself.

anyone who thinks they are the best is full of ego shit and need their shit checked.

there are few players i consider "best" or even good

[sthar8]

@sthar:

who is scum?

I stand by my reads. There is one or two scum in {YGS, prost} based on proficiency. I also have an experience tell on partyful and an associative on YGS, but I'm not discussing those right now.

Z is making his way steadily into paranoia country and I need more antihero in my life.

I'm not ready to vote yet.

[sthar8]

@grand cayman (or anyone else who wants to answer): Who are/were the best players in this game in your opinion? What skills make them good?

nobody, and yes this is 100% including myself.

anyone who thinks they are the best is full of ego shit and need their shit checked.

there are few players i consider "best" or even good

If you've got your gloves out, I could use a shit-check.

[You Got Schooled]

It sows confusion instead of cohesion in the collective scum hunt.

No, it doesn't. It's only our vote. Unless your implying that, for some reason, our vote effects the overall game-state more than anybody elses vote what you're saying it flat out false.

Undue defensiveness takes the focus off the scum hunt.

No, it doesn't. It allows us to work out the alignment of the person attacking us. Again, you seem to be insistent that our actions effect the game-state as a whole more than anybody elses. Just because we're defensive, that doesn't stop other people from scum hunting.

You also didn't answer the question of why we wouldn't want to survive as town.

A townie who doesn't feel an imminent threat doesn't worry about a few pokes at them. They figure that if they keep scum hunting people will see it and the pokes will pass.

Again, you didn't answer the question. Why is it scummy to try and understand the motivation and the alignment behind the person attacking you?

I would argue that completely side-stepping an issue to look like you're scum hunting is scummier than addressing the issue itself.

696 - I was scum in WF. I tunneled on ika all game trying to convince Anti he was scum (they were both town); Anti didn't buy it and stayed firm with his read all game. Ika feels like scum to me in this game (I'm not great at reading ika though) but Anti seems insistent he is town. I don't see Anti being wrong on ika unless they're both scum (and I'm pretty sure Anti isn't scum) so I'm inclined to trust his read on ika more than my own. Having said that, I still think ika is scum, this is nothing like his WF play and I'm interested to see why Anti thinks it is.

699 - This is bad though. Why is it between Persivul and us?

701 - Pre-flip associatives are bad and you should feel bad for mentioning it.

This is a convenient position for you to take up Sthar. Explain your scum read on us?

[Persivul]

So everyone agrees Persv v. YGS for today, right?

No, I don't agree, and I daresay YGS doesn't agree.

Pile onto your racehorse, folks!

Let's not drag today out.

The site has reasons for 14-day phases. We've barely heard from a couple of players.

Why are you in such a rush?

[Persivul]

GC, what's the significance of your signature?

Did you have a

full and fair trial

?

WELL GOOD.

STOP COMPLAINING.

NO YOU CAN'T GET HABEAS RELIEF JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE "ACTUALLY" INNOCENT.

THE SYSTEM WORKS.

I think it's rather appropriate for the game of mafia.

So everyone agrees Persv v. YGS for today, right?

Pile onto your racehorse, folks!

Let's not drag today out.

The irony is delicious.

Why would you violate your own principles by pushing for fast judgment?

[Green Crayons]

14 day deadlines are bad for town.

Full stop.

[Green Crayons]

This is bad though. Why is it between Persivul and us?

YGS thinks Persiv is scum.

Persiv thinks YGS is scum.

Most people in this thread have said that they think YGS, or Persiv, or both, is/are scum.

It's obvious where this is going. Let's just get there now instead of wringing our hands.

[Antihero]

VOTE: persival

lol

[Green Crayons]

Claim, Persiv?

[Persivul]

Looks like I have to. I'm the cop. N1 I investigated you (GC) and you came back town. That's why I said I now have you at lean town and tried to get you to just slow down, without implying that you're scum.

[Green Crayons]

Man I was hoping you were going to claim VT. Just to shake things up.

Persiv isn't cop. I am. I investigated Persiv. He's scum.

I was tempted to not claim today, to get in another night investigation, but that's too risky and, frankly, isn't best for the town but only best for me living for another day. If we mislynch today, likely scenario is 3 deaths and then scum wins.

[Green Crayons]

lane and YGS are obvtown.

Although ika has the wrong suspicions, I think his play is town.

Anti gives me pause, because he refused to suspect Persiv, then suspected Persiv based off of NK analysis, which is self-evident in its suspiciousness. His L-1 vote on Persiv is not alignment indicative as far as I'm concerned.

ZZZX could be scum, but he's been pretty inactive on the site generally I believe. sthar's fencesitting between YGS/Persiv looks real bad.


sthar, ZZZX, Anti would be my lynch pool if I wasn't going to get NKed. (Sorry Newbie.)

[Antihero]

it's sthar/perv

gg

[Antihero]

because he refused to suspect Persiv, then suspected Persiv based off of NK analysis

i didn't suspect perv, then a nightkill happened and i suspected him based on it

AFTER it happened!?

GASP

[Antihero]

ika is still the most obvtown of obvtown

bbt just has his fist up his own ass

sthar's mega derp on the setup spec + the recent empty prod for content seals the deal for me

[Persivul]

GG everybody! Hopefully playing scum is like sex - clumsy the first coupla times, but better as you go.

VOTE: Persivul

[Green Crayons]

sthar is my first choice, definitely (once again, sorry Newbie)


but I can totally see Anti saying:

Let's kill BB because he suspects Persiv, net good for scum
Then I will point out suspicious NK, good for me
If you get a wagon, I have a reason to vote you, but you'll just claim cop

Sucks that Persiv claimed cop and then claimed innocent finding on me, though, so that throws a wrench in scum plans.

[lane0168]

whats not to like about persivul? so far i have seen transparency form him

This, mixed with the whole 1 2 3 4 convo with ygs. Particularly the number 4s. Check it out

later ika is convinced ygs is scum. Unconvinced pers is scum. You don t say...

Ika is a good vote for tomorrow I think. I noticed other things back when I guessed ika and pers were scum buddies d1. But I don't have time to find them now

[lane0168]

GG everybody! Hopefully playing scum is like sex - clumsy the first coupla times, but better as you go.

VOTE: Persivul

You made it a day. You dun good! Great playing with you

[Persivul]

GG everybody! Hopefully playing scum is like sex - clumsy the first coupla times, but better as you go.

VOTE: Persivul

You made it a day. You dun good! Great playing with you

Thanks

[lane0168]

GG everybody! Hopefully playing scum is like sex - clumsy the first coupla times, but better as you go.

VOTE: Persivul

You made it a day. You dun good! Great playing with you

Thanks

Do you feel relieved. I always feel so relieved when I can be done playing scum. I hate it lol

[Persivul]

Yes, it's completely different from playing town.

[Antihero]

but I can totally see Anti saying:

Let's kill BB because he suspects Persiv, net good for scum
Then I will point out suspicious NK, good for me
If you get a wagon, I have a reason to vote you, but you'll just claim cop

only someone who's never seen my scum game could give me this much credit

[lane0168]

Persivul, the eye roll was a) our vote was there before we moved it to you, so your comment is odd and b) your vote is kinda terrible. I don't really understand your explanation. Your poke at ika looks better, though.

-bella

Can you explain to me why you emphasized the bit about the no lynch? I thought you were indicating that it appeared scummy.

Hmm, could also be ygs. Early call for wagon in pers knowing there wasn't enough to get a serious wagon? Interesting. This quote feels a little bit like coaching