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Can you explain your tendency to stump, starbuck?

Yeah, I'm Dry Bones, the skeleton dinosaur from Super Mario Advance. Instead of stumping, it's called shattering.

So I can stump whenever I want, but it takes away my ability to vote and counts me as dead. The dawning of the new day resets it.

With how close I was getting to lynch, and knowing my own alignment, I wasn't about to let an opportunistic wagon on me win and take out a villager.

↑ Aj The Epic wrote:Yeah I'm tempted to say a reflector is a confirmed scum claim. Can redirect anything from him but NKs, and almost only shows up as a scum role.

This is a really silly assumption to make. You could say the exact same thing about ascetic vanilliser, and that flipped town.

You're telling me a reflector, a role that solely makes it so that investigative/protective roles do not touch the user, is town? It's almost like a self-busser.

More importantly, nothing random has done demonstrates the role should be town.

This just seems rubbish to me though, these claims are just... yeh...

↑ Randomnamechange wrote:Bulletproof with some lynch abilities I won't reveal yet.

↑ Randomnamechange wrote:I have one-shot lynch immunity and can force everyone to vote between two players.

↑ Randomnamechange wrote:That is becaude I lied about the bp part. I'm one shot bp and one shot reflector.

So was I the last to claim? Or do all the roles out there now?

EBWOP: Or ARE all the roles out there now?

My phone is weird.

↑ Aj The Epic wrote:You're telling me a reflector, a role that solely makes it so that investigative/protective roles do not touch the user, is town? It's almost like a self-busser.

More importantly, nothing random has done demonstrates the role should be town.

Negative utility town roles exist.

What is his scum motivation for claiming reflector?

Random's openness looks pretty pro-town to me.

Regardless, do you think he's lying about being unlynchable? It's going to take 2 lynches, or 2 NKs, to get rid of him. Even if he's scum (which i'm doubting), there are other scum we could actually flip today, instead of what amounts to a no lynch.

I missed the gladiate part. That does seem like rather a lot of abilities for one role to have, and more than we've seen from anyone else so far.

Random: Please use your gladiate ability, now, on two good targets, to demonstrate that it exists.

Tbh if he does have all these abilities it's pretty much got to be town cause that we be pretty broken as scum.

↑ Xtoxm wrote:Random's openness looks pretty pro-town to me.

Everyone that claims looks town to you.

↑ Xtoxm wrote:

↑ Aj The Epic wrote:You're telling me a reflector, a role that solely makes it so that investigative/protective roles do not touch the user, is town? It's almost like a self-busser.

More importantly, nothing random has done demonstrates the role should be town.

Negative utility town roles exist.

What is his scum motivation for claiming reflector?

Random's openness looks pretty pro-town to me.

Yeh, three different, inconsistent claims, super open.

↑ Vedith wrote:

↑ Xtoxm wrote:Random's openness looks pretty pro-town to me.

Everyone that claims looks town to you.

Fire's claim doesn't look town.

↑ Davsto wrote:

↑ Xtoxm wrote:

↑ Aj The Epic wrote:You're telling me a reflector, a role that solely makes it so that investigative/protective roles do not touch the user, is town? It's almost like a self-busser.

More importantly, nothing random has done demonstrates the role should be town.

Negative utility town roles exist.

What is his scum motivation for claiming reflector?

Random's openness looks pretty pro-town to me.

Yeh, three different, inconsistent claims, super open.

It's possible that he's scum, but I don't want to spend 2 days on him unless we're really sure he's scum.

That's.... not answering my point. That's deflection.

Like, I go "hey that's not really being open" and you go "yeh but I don't want to waste two days on him if he's scum". Those are unrelated.

Also, what the hell else do you suggest we do? How do we deal with this other than lynching the shit out of it?

1) "BP with some lynch abilities" transmuting to "1-shot BP 1-shot unlynchable and 1-shot gladiate" doesn't constitute an inconsistency in my book
2) I don't take a fakeclaim in RVS as a scumtell in itself (I lied and i'm town)

Remember, it's actually 1-shot BP 1-shot Reflector 1-shot unlynchable 1-shot gladiate

Well yes if he's scum we're going to have to lynch him twice. But until i'm sure of that, that are people who can actually be flipped today.

On further thought, his role wouldn't be completely broken as scum due to the town vanilliser existing as a possible counter.

Ok i'm not completely opposed to this, but I do want to see him use his gladiate and I want to hear if Nacho's still townreading him.

But i'd like to point out that Fire has a crappy claim, has done no scumhunting since replacing and his wagon fell apart for no real reason.

Um, how is Fire's claim crappy but random's is fine?

I'm not saying randoms is fine.

I was only saying random's is fine until I noticed the 4th ability

Okay, so you're resistant to his lynch because he claimed 1-Shot unlynchable.

Consider the possibility that's what he wants you to think?

PEdit - okay, think I'm understanding a tad more now.