Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[atm487]

I dont think atm was lying about not knowing how to vote that game.

I wasnt

[Infinity 324]

It's simple cause it's so easy to check, and I think scum would be more careful about that kind of stuff than town. Personally I often use impressions I get for evidence, sometimes the impression you get isn't really accurate

Though tbf it does look like you believe that's scummy so

PEdit: Obviously you use logic, most people use logic, I was talking about a particular style of scumhunting.

[atm487]

Aw shit, I gotta go on a week long trip, thought this game would be faster than usual. Well it seems I have to leave on Saturday and will be back on Saturday. Rip

[Robbnva]

Well the idk what you mean. I look at things and if they don't make sense to me I question them. Creatures defense and lie about egg were both weird to me and it's not something I can't fathom coming from town. Not when his reasons for egg being scum were much better than his reasons for egg being town.

[Infinity 324]

First of all I very much disagree that his reasons for scumreading egg were better than his reasons for townreading egg

If you're so confident creature is scum, why aren't you voting him?

[Robbnva]

Cause there's plenty of time in the day and I've found one scum so I'm looking for the others.

[Robbnva]

If I could vote twice I'd also vote mario

[Smithereens]

That thought process: [found one scum, move on, find another] doesn't actually occur to townies too often I realise. The fact that multiple players are expressing confusion over your vote should alert you to this fact.

[Smithereens]

To be fair, yes it's logical. But I don't actually think that town do this.

[Infinity 324]

Do you have a reason you think it's more likely to come from scum or is it just experience

[Robbnva]

That thought process: [found one scum, move on, find another] doesn't actually occur to townies too often I realise. The fact that multiple players are expressing confusion over your vote should alert you to this fact.

I'm not worried about how my actions are perceived.

[Smithereens]

Do you have a reason you think it's more likely to come from scum or is it just experience

Reason. A player who is uninformed is likely to stick to a person who they've discovered is scum with a high degree of confidence. Moving off it simply shows how little profundity the discovery actually made on the player. If Rob's town, then he isn't too concerned about the town win con, and he clearly shows it. Otherwise he's scum.

[Robbnva]

Reason. A player who is uninformed is likely to stick to a person who they've discovered is scum with a high degree of confidence. Moving off it simply shows how little profundity the discovery actually made on the player. If Rob's town, then he isn't too concerned about the town win con, and he clearly shows it. Otherwise he's scum.

you are just talking out of your ass at this point.

[Robbnva]

you REALLY don't want crab lynched.... I wonder why that is?

your reaction to the attention he got is actually why i'm not moving off him anytime soon. Your reaction is far more suspicious than creatures 180

[Dragon of the West]

watching you Dragon~

O.o

And why's that?

[Dragon of the West]

Surely, if they were an average player I would push him harder, but compared to Newbie 1715, he looks very different.

What if he is an average player and he's just very manipulative?

You said you read parts of Newbie 1715 right? I skimmed it for fun a bit before this game started, and it makes me highly doubt this.

I doubt it too. But I still disagree that he's "very different"

[Smithereens]

Reason. A player who is uninformed is likely to stick to a person who they've discovered is scum with a high degree of confidence. Moving off it simply shows how little profundity the discovery actually made on the player. If Rob's town, then he isn't too concerned about the town win con, and he clearly shows it. Otherwise he's scum.

you are just talking out of your ass at this point.

Confirmation bias cannot be beaten, end of story. Townies should be showing all the flaws that an uninformed player should exhibit, including over confidence in a read that they believe confirms the guilt of another player. You however dropped this tangible and highly convincing case against Creature in favour of poking a far less suspicious player for a reason that I've already demonstrated is absolutely not AI.

I'd say you panicked when it appeared that Creature was about to get lynched, and now you're trying to get pressure off him.

[Robbnva]

If Rob's town, then he isn't too concerned about the town win con, and he clearly shows it. Otherwise he's scum.

like this part right here can no way come from a rational thinking townie.

I am playing against my win condition because I think it is better to pressure people instead of limiting the search to 1/2 people especially when we have a bunch of inactive people, people doing jack shit, and even lurkers?

the fact that you want to stay focused on creature/egg and ignore everyone else actually worries me if you are town. it shows you are close minded and town should not be close minded, they should be open minded.

[Smithereens]

you REALLY don't want crab lynched.... I wonder why that is?

your reaction to the attention he got is actually why i'm not moving off him anytime soon. Your reaction is far more suspicious than creatures 180

You're diverting attention from a scum lynch, the affiliation of Crab is actually irrelevant to this matter since he hasn't said anything that can be considered scummy. Inb4 you say 'he's' acting different, go back and reply to the fact that I act different in my town games, and I know a lot of players do since it isn't AI.

You're really looking for a way to stay off the Creature wagon it's pretty clear.

[Robbnva]

I'd say you panicked when it appeared that Creature was about to get lynched, and now you're trying to get pressure off him.

but creature was never about to be lynched.

[Infinity 324]

Well I definitely wouldn't say he panicked, I do wanna know why he isn't pushing creature more though because I didn't know he was that confident in his read until now

@Smithereens, what's your read on creature?

@Robb, why didn't you call into question my alignment during our discussion?

[Infinity 324]

I think smithereens is town but he's weirdly using logic I don't agree with at all to come to conclusions that may make sense

[Smithereens]

If Rob's town, then he isn't too concerned about the town win con, and he clearly shows it. Otherwise he's scum.

like this part right here can no way come from a rational thinking townie.

I am playing against my win condition because I think it is better to pressure people instead of limiting the search to 1/2 people especially when we have a bunch of inactive people, people doing jack shit, and even lurkers?

the fact that you want to stay focused on creature/egg and ignore everyone else actually worries me if you are town. it shows you are close minded and town should not be close minded, they should be open minded.

Concern about our wincon is shown when a player get's excited about a discovery of scum they have just made, or concern about other players backflipping on their reads for shit reasons.

It doesn't matter what you believe about open-mindedness when I'm actually claiming that your apathy towards Creature (which you're construing as 'open-mindedness') is actually a scum tell.

[Smithereens]

I think smithereens is town but he's weirdly using logic I don't agree with at all to come to conclusions that may make sense

There is nothing weird about the fact that it's not normal for a town to not get hyped about finding a scum and just leave it be. It's like a gold miner who finds a massive nugget and just leaves it in the ground so that he can dig up some more dirt. No, people with a vested interest in finding scum tend to act like a miner looking for gold.

My thoughts on creature is that he is clear scum.

[Smithereens]

Before Rob says "Omg now you think Creature is clearly scum when you wanted Eggman lynched."

Refer to my ISO.