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In post 698, borkjerfkin wrote:from his scum game there i dont really think he looks like this game here or any of the town games i read, tbh.

So you meta'd me and think I don't look like my scum game, but you also don't think I look like my town game (though you don't seem to really have a scumread on me here anyway)


Why does that all warrant a vote on me

did you at all read that post in context?

cause it looks like no

In post 697, borkjerfkin wrote:how does pie feel about dunn meta, considering the fakegod game they both recently got out of?

the reason I caught Dunn in the dance game was because eventually I realized his reads were just really bad and shallow. tonally, this Dunn is different, but outside of his tone, I have similar concerns about his reads here, so... /shrug

sorry I never got back to you on AJ, btw, the other game I was in was in a critical position. I'll probably be around this evening to do stuff.

same. let's finish hashing out what needs to be hashed out before tomorrow.

Votecount 1.22

Persivul

(2) - Aj The Epic, Seiko x Naomi

Shadow_step

(2) - Dunnstral, Persivul

Dunnstral

(2) - Shadow_step, borkjerfkin

Syryana

(1) - The Oxford Bubbles

Not Voting

(2) - Charloux, Syryana

With

9

players eligible to vote, it’s

5

to lynch!

Day 1 will end in

(expired on 2017-01-27 06:01:00).

Mod Notes:

oh god it's like 3 AM I was drawing and lost track of time
So!
You get a VC at a strange time.

And now bed.

If we're giving Persivul the night, TOB is the two I'd fall back. Mainly TOB's complete belief that he could 'work with' OA is so incredibly off base to me not only because of OA's offputting bullshit, but also because TOB has 0 interaction (flat none) to back that up. There's no talking between them and TOB only talks about OA after I brought up OA as a major scum read.

I don't agree that Persi's soft claim is reason to give him another day; it is absurdly easy for scum to just vaguely claim "my role makes me town tomorrow" and then claim something along the lines of "herp derp I was roleblocked".

it's also pretty much the only contested read notty and I are in any sort of agreement on (along with that we hate the S_S wagon).

I really wish I was able to get around to this game earlier.

notty apparently agrees with AJ's meta read on Dunn. I don't remember agreeing with it and I'm focusing more on the reads he's expressed wrt my read on him.

In post 706, Seiko x Naomi wrote:I don't agree that Persi's soft claim is reason to give him another day; it is absurdly easy for scum to just vaguely claim "my role makes me town tomorrow" and then claim something along the lines of "herp derp I was roleblocked".

If we don't lynch SS, I may have a solution to this.

and if we do?

then I don't, lol.

In post 702, Seiko x Naomi wrote:the reason I caught Dunn in the dance game was because

omgus, pretty much. But that's not a bad thing

In post 558, Aj The Epic wrote:If I thought you were making up a read on me, I'd be voting you because you'd be scum, Pie. Your read that I was tunneling TOB was garbage, not made up. There's a distinction there. And that distinction unfortunately wrecks like 90% of your points. Specifically you wondering why I'm voting OA over you shouldn't really be a point anyways (OA's response was in a different dimension of bad, considering he decided to be unreasonable with me after seemingly deciding to explain himself first). Yeah I'mma fight your "Aj's tunneling TOB" statement. What kinda tunnel goes "Yeah I have nothing more to address with TOB for now" after two or three posts? For the basis of your read on me, it seems pretty self-explanatory why I think that read is atrocious.

AJ needs to clarify this because this is way, way different from the kind of shit he was saying about me before.

the most apparent one is that in 345, he outright claims I'm lying about what I'm saying about him, but the wording of his other posts seems to strongly imply a scum read on me ("post feels all-around awful to me", "bullshit", "the reason for OA over SxN"). that isn't how you treat someone who you think just has a horrible read on you. ideally I would have had time to have more of a dialogue about this, but since it's close to the deadline, I think he's making something up somewhere in here either way: if he was scum reading me then the points I made still apply, if he wasn't then 345 feels like a typical scum post in terms of trying to oversell issues with pushes on him ("lie") in order to reduce our credibility while still not committing to calling us scum (even though if he thought we were attempting to lie about him, he should have).

I'm not as sure as I was about this. I don't take as much issue with his recent posts/reads (the Persi read in particular was fine to me), but, eh.

@bork I'd like to hear your thoughts about this, too.

AJ's last couple pages have seemed on the level enough to the point that I don't really want to consider him today.

I agree he had a scumread on you, I just think in his mind he's just not that able to discern between a bad read and a scum motivated one and as such it's not a strong read

my kid is sick i possibly have to deal with that, we'll see

There's no reason to lynch persivul if he has the ability to make himself obvious town.

NO point speculating what will happen either and trying to preemptively lynch.

We can lynch shadow, or we can mass claim.

In post 708, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 706, Seiko x Naomi wrote:I don't agree that Persi's soft claim is reason to give him another day; it is absurdly easy for scum to just vaguely claim "my role makes me town tomorrow" and then claim something along the lines of "herp derp I was roleblocked".

If we don't lynch SS, I may have a solution to this.

I don't really know what to say to this. I disagree on principle with any kind of "let a scum read get to night phase because night actions will sort them out", because there are just too many things that can go wrong with night actions and in a role madness setup it's pointless to even attempt to enumerate and plan around them.

this is more so the case here because notty and I are pretty much entirely divided over the game apart from the situation with him and S_S.

p-edit: I'd probably be a lot more OK with that if he had done literally anything to attempt to sort/refine his read on me after the things he was initially saying about me.

In post 715, Seiko x Naomi wrote:I don't really know what to say to this. I disagree on principle with any kind of "let a scum read get to night phase because night actions will sort them out", because there are just too many things that can go wrong with night actions and in a role madness setup it's pointless to even attempt to enumerate and plan around them.

That might be true. Too much info has leaked on Day 1 for this to be that foolproof.

the only way I'd feel comfortable with it is if you promise me that if he attempts to do *any* sort of "I was blocked" shenanigans or if we're in any scenario where D2 opens and he isn't confirmed town, for any reason, we auto-lynch him.

I'd really really much rather just lynch him now, though so we don't have to deal with all of that, and I'm glad you're seeing my viewpoint on this.

In post 714, Dunnstral wrote:There's no reason to lynch persivul if he has the ability to make himself obvious town.

The thing I am wary about is all he is saying is that he'll be able to prove he's a role that tends to go to town (much) more than scum

that's not exactly foolproof

In post 718, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 714, Dunnstral wrote:There's no reason to lynch persivul if he has the ability to make himself obvious town.

The thing I am wary about is all he is saying is that he'll be able to prove he's a role that tends to go to town (much) more than scum

that's not exactly foolproof

Why do we have to lynch persivul today, anyway? Who cares if it's not foolproof, he wasn't even set to be lynched when he said it

'set to be lynched'?

Persi's posts and reads are terrible and I hate the read on S_S in just about every way it's possible to hate something.

Pie: let's try his another angle; how sure are you that S_S s town outside of that you think the wagon on him is ass?

that is the one thing that is making me not blindly sheep you at this point

I'm fairly sure. he's in my top town pile along with you and Charl.

In post 720, borkjerfkin wrote:'set to be lynched'?

He wasn't under pressure