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In post 697, Shoshin wrote:If scum slips happen, then mistakes can be alignment indicative, right?

I mean if you want to argue semantics. Sure some mistakes can be AI but since true scum slips happen so rare in my experience, I stand by my argument that mistakes aren’t AI.

I’m not playing the semantic game and I certainly am not going to start changing the way I post to appease assholes who like to deal in absolutes.

Mumble, what's your read on Invisibility?

Gustavo, you said earlier that "you have to look at the intent behind it." What did you mean by that if no that mistakes can be alignment indicative depending on the underlying intent?

In my town pool for now.

I'm waiting to be "owned." Guess that's not going to happen? All bark, no bite, lol...

In post 703, Mumble wrote:In my town pool for now.

How strong town? And why?

75% confidence level. We have similar town reads and he is the counterwagon to you, who I think is scum.

In post 677, Gustavo wrote:

In post 673, texcat wrote:VOTE: Invisibility
I didn't like his quick vote on JJD toDay, followed by a vote for Shoshin, the 2 people he said were not SvS.

can you chime in on shoshin's idea that mumbles making a reading mistake is AI which makes mumbles scum.

I don't think that's the entire case on Mumble, and I do think reading mistakes can be AI, but are not necessarily AI. A lot of whether something is AI or not is meta based. What does that person usually do as scum or as town? As a general rule, I think Shoshin is correct, that scum usually are more paranoid and are more likely to make a mistake of the sort Mumble made. But the post was confusing and I can easily see how it could be misread, and so I think in this case it doesn't mean very much.

But I did say earlier that it looks like a lot of Shoshin's case on Mumble is related to how he has interacted with Invisibility. I think Invis is the better lynch. If Invis flips scum, I'm definitely going to have a hard look at and re-evaluate Mumble.

In post 697, Shoshin wrote:Wait, nevermind. Mistakes can be alignment indicative ("have to look at the intent behind it").

This is just twisting what I’m saying in that post. If somebody makes a mistake, realizes it, admits it and moves on. That’s not AI. If they deny they made one and keeps pushing their agenda, then it’s AI.

This isn’t a game of absolutes.

In post 706, Mumble wrote:75% confidence level. We have similar town reads and he is the counterwagon to you, who I think is scum.

You're 75% that he's town? That's basically random... What do you think of the reasons people have given for voting him? Do you think scum are voting him?

75% confidence is basically random? Fucking lol. Why am I even interacting with you?

I don't like that read mumbles.

Who'd be ur #2 lynch mumbles?

In post 708, Gustavo wrote:This isn’t a game of absolutes.

That's my point... You seem to be saying mistakes can't be alignment indicative (i.e. an absolute) and I'm saying that in some circumstances they can be (i.e. looking at specific circumstances on their own terms). So I want a straight answer: they be alignment indicative or not? The non-absolute answer is yes, the absolute answer is no.

Between Texcat or BBT. Leaning BBT.

In post 697, Shoshin wrote:Oh, that didn't last long - we're back to saying mistakes can't be alignment indicative.

I’ve never waiverd from that idea. You tried your best but just like I expected you failed. You are very obviously scum at this point.

In post 714, Mumble wrote:Between Texcat or BBT. Leaning BBT.

These reads feel kind of random. Feel like explaining em?

I actually like Mumble's reads on Tex and BBT. They're probably wrong, but they make sense given his internal logic.

Gustavo, if I'm town, who would you say is scum?

In post 699, Shoshin wrote:Gustavo, what's your read on Invisibility?

Town

Shoshin push on me this game feels almost identical to Shoshin on Byron in Scientific mafia.

In post 716, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 714, Mumble wrote:Between Texcat or BBT. Leaning BBT.

These reads feel kind of random. Feel like explaining em?

Yeah, sure. Wait until I get to a computer though.

In post 720, Mumble wrote:Shoshin push on me this game feels almost identical to Shoshin on Byron in Scientific mafia.

lol no, my scum play sucks... I wish I could play scum the way I'm playing in this game...

In post 702, Shoshin wrote:Gustavo, you said earlier that "you have to look at the intent behind it." What did you mean by that if no that mistakes can be alignment indicative depending on the underlying intent?

Meaning if somebody makes a mistake and gets called on it, it they don’t admit their mistake and back off, their intent is scummy. It actually means it wasn’t a mistake after all.

Sort of like your “mistake”

In post 717, Shoshin wrote:I actually like Mumble's reads on Tex and BBT. They're probably wrong, but they make sense given his internal logic.

He defended BBT earlier.