NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Inferno390]

VOTE: Andrius

[Elbirn]

At any rate his nonsensical babble about having a team-solve and trying to push that through is, if not scummy, certainly bad play

I'm better at detecting those kind of moves though.
And I do not mind stirring the soup any chance I get because I already have a large spreadsheet brewing..

Trying to determine a team on day 1 with no flips is a literally useless endeavor. You have minimal information and hardly any justification for a lynch. It sounds like you picked three names out of a hat, said "okay these three are scum", and then rather than having solid reasoning for lynching any of them, your reasoning became the fact that you picked them out of a hat.

Like if you're still alive in a few days and have something for us to chew on I'm all ears but right now I really don't think you're using your time wisely if you're town, and I'd be much more inclined to listen if you had a case on an individual

[Elbirn]

@Taly:

Please read my words thanks

I never called your posts nonsensical babble. You misunderheard me talking to hitalt. I tried to explain that in an earlier post but you must have skipped it. I'm not trying to be corrosive to you as you say. Let's be cool.

With that being said I also think you have far too negative a reaction to scrutiny. If me not having an immediate positive reaction to you makes you doubt your read on me then you're letting emotions cloud your judgement. Take a deep breath m8. Remember your mantras and shit. Goosefraba. This is a happy place and, in my view at least, a p chill game.

[profii]

In post 305, profii wrote:
In post 304, Ausuka wrote:
That makes sense to me though w/profii? nolynching d1 definitely doesn't help the town. Like, I agree Rask's actions weren't scummy but I feel profii's actions weren't either.

This is basically my point
I feel like I don’t really understand where Gus is coming from so I’m happy to just leave it and draw a line under it but if Gus wants to explain more I’m happy to listen


Yeah, I'm not a fan of this post.

Why don't you continue to try and understand? I don't like the "don't like it, but bye" mentality here... especially since your vote's still on him. You're just parking your vote without doing anything else.

530 is the only reason I'm not voting you atm - because you actually did something with your vote since 13

But I do want to know why you feel Flubb is scum. Or elaborate on what you've stated on him?

your posts are hard to quote, so excuse the formatting...

At that point, my vote was RVS so it didnt carry much weight tbh.

anyway, my logic to day 1 so far is that Rask RVS No lynched. I called it bad and a mini wagon formed.

Whilst this wasn't really my intention it got me thinking, it made me think that someone on that mini wagon is scum.

I include Flubber because he all but voted - posturing - so to speak.

If you look at my interactions with The Worst, I was waiting for 'something' to happen. I was looking at the wagon'eers and how they were going to leave the flubber wagon.

I considered Sky for just unvoting, but she said she was a bit vla so in the spirit of being chill, I figured Flubber was the most scummy remaining whilst I gave Sky a chance to contribute.

I was actually going to re-assess my vote as the 2 prevailing wagons were Sky and you, so i was going to get on to one as Sky was also fairly scummy in just sneaking off Rask imo and people seem to have some legit concerns over dave/you. I figured adding to these wagons might drive the day towards something, such as a counter wagon, which might be telling, however flubber is picking up so im going to hang there.


to go more into gus specifically - he get's triggered if you simply dont agree with him, you can both be town and he says 'lynch A' whilst i say 'lynch B' and he creates a conflict. He is quite frankly, a lunatic who i will not play with again, which is why i took that approach with him.

Conclusion: Scum is either very strong, or town is very weak. No middle ground. I feel like there's been much more town-wagons and town-suspected in this game than anything else.

explain this? It's day 1. Whilst we are all scum hunting, it's never super successful on day 1, so i'm not sure what you are getting at here

[Pine]

VC some time this afternoon.

[HitAlt]

I don't case individuals D1.
Also do you guys even know what a honeypot/-trap is?
Also Taly seems to be supahot faiarr!

Dramonic-SkyG are on the other side of the fence, ausuka-TW the other.
Based on the amount that duck has been posting I'd call susp. though..
Might be the fact that it's D1 with a huge amount of players, but it also could be a "spicy scum"-situation, especially if both ausuka and TW are involved.

[HitAlt]

I was a bit hasty on that, dramonic fits with duck and ausuka too.
I'm willing to lynch either of dramonic/SkyG.
Taly ensured that the dave-slot gets to live another day. (Still think there's above 50% chance for scum)
Phoneposting and truthtelling.

[HitAlt]

I want to hear how that Risk ended..
It's keeping me on the edge of my seat!

[Elbirn]

I don't case individuals D1.

If you don't have enough information to deduce anyone individual as scum then you can not possibly have enough information to team solve. Your process is literally backwards.

UNVOTE:

I'm beginning to feel less like im playing mafia and more like I'm just being pedantic and grumpy at people over theory so I'm gonna rethink my life

[the worst]

@Taly/Hit--both of you guys can fairly capably read me (and MoI may or may not be able to literally look into my soul). I'm chilling this phase a little in the spirit of the game as I'm normally the bloke with the same postcount as half the rest of the thread put together at this point.

my playstyle doesn't lend itself well to short coherent synthesised posts so it's something I need to force. the number of players in this phase doesn't make that easy yet.

bear with me if you don't mind. if you start panicking I'm happy to spew myself in my usual fashion but I don't think that's healthy to the current gamestate (and activity premise )

[Flubbernugget]

Busy weekend, prodge

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey I’m back … had a crazy weekend …

@Taly

– Thanks for replacing in. I have a couple of questions for you.

So you just discarded all your reads as of 683 because you didn’t like how people reacted to your entrance? Are you telling me all the work you did in your “First 9” catch-up was so flimsy as to just be discarded because you replaced a slot under pressure and people didn’t immediately give you replacement halo Town read?

In 640 you asked me about having Townreads. Do you think it is problematic to not have Townreads stated 24 hours or so into the game? If so why should I be Town reading you given your predecessor committed to basically at most 1 or 2 reads his entire tenure? If not why ask the question in the first place?

Finally based on your only scum read in 641 and the sparse mentions of Sky in 640 am I to take it that the entirety of your scum read on the lowest hanging fruit in the game is for the use of LAMIST?

--

May move my vote back to Flubber pending Taly’s responses above.

Continue to like Elbirn’s takes and he’s bumped up to a solid Town read for me after 627.

Magna.
Plum's birthday is today.
Man that brings me back YEARS on this site. :c

Now that is a blast from the past … Plum … those were good times Mr. Baker

@Taly/Hit--both of you guys can fairly capably read me (and MoI may or may not be able to literally look into my soul).

Reminder to everyone

– I end up dead tomorrow morning this should absolutely be one the first stops on your “Let’s talk to those most likely to kill MoI”. After Echo Bay I think scum theworst becomes obvious to me by Day 2 “worst” case (ha, I kill me).

[Flubbernugget]

Double-checked my Role PM, based off a quick ISO skim, Dave played consistent to what I know town-him to be which makes me feel better about meta-ing him accurately.

Holy fucking mother of amished my vote is not moving

[Flubbernugget]

I am not a fan of post by post catch ups because I think they're easy for scum to fake, but there's nobody in this town that catches scum for letting the sky wagon keep rolling the way it is. I give xyzzy town points as such

[Flubbernugget]

I have to pick apart citiations to fully respond to taly so that is currently on the backburner.

[Flubbernugget]

MoI, I'm reading from your most recent post that you can't trust the town to get an easy read on the worst later in the game. Can you expand more on why that is?

[Taly]

@Taly:

Please read my words thanks

I never called your posts nonsensical babble. You misunderheard me talking to hitalt. I tried to explain that in an earlier post but you must have skipped it. I'm not trying to be corrosive to you as you say. Let's be cool.

With that being said I also think you have far too negative a reaction to scrutiny. If me not having an immediate positive reaction to you makes you doubt your read on me then you're letting emotions cloud your judgement. Take a deep breath m8. Remember your mantras and shit. Goosefraba. This is a happy place and, in my view at least, a p chill game.

OK, perhaps I misread the atmosphere and your post then.

I do get a bit passionate and carried away with my emotions sometimes. My reads are becoming a little less volatile as time passes, since I'm being oriented into this game.

Conclusion: Scum is either very strong, or town is very weak. No middle ground. I feel like there's been much more town-wagons and town-suspected in this game than anything else.

explain this? It's day 1. Whilst we are all scum hunting, it's never super successful on day 1, so i'm not sure what you are getting at here

I just read through the game thinking

"why are people voting here"

?

I didn't think the

gustavo-inferno

interaction was convincing for either of them to be scum - I'll likely reread to see if I missed something.

I don't see the townreads on

brass

, and I'm iffy with

HeWhoSwims

at the moment.

And the

Sky

wagon is something I'll look into a bit more, but it happened quickly and nothing really has come from it other than the fact that everyone on the wagon has been suspected.

So there IS info. D1, and yes, D1 is not easy for scumhunting, but I feel like I have a differing thought process from quite a few people in the game and I'm sorting that out.

I see your perspective better now. You feel more consistent this game,

profii

X3

I was a bit hasty on that, dramonic fits with duck and ausuka too.
I'm willing to lynch either of dramonic/SkyG.
Taly ensured that the dave-slot gets to live another day. (Still think there's above 50% chance for scum)
Phoneposting and truthtelling.

Yeah, I don't agree with the "no case individual" thing being useful, at least not rn because trying to pinpoint a team on D1 is very unlikely to happen and much more likely to cause dichotomies which could incriminate townies.

There's also not a lot of individual reason you have, your reads feel holistic and universal so I don't know how you come to some of your conclusions. Namely the

dramonic/Sky/Chick

reads.

Also, I don't get why you're wanting me to 'live another day' when I'm 50%+ likely to be scum to you...?

@Taly/Hit--both of you guys can fairly capably read me (and MoI may or may not be able to literally look into my soul). I'm chilling this phase a little in the spirit of the game as I'm normally the bloke with the same postcount as half the rest of the thread put together at this point.

my playstyle doesn't lend itself well to short coherent synthesised posts so it's something I need to force. the number of players in this phase doesn't make that easy yet.

are there people you're not willing to engage with or are you observing rn? I've seen you with more posts in games of this size

[Taly]

Hey I’m back … had a crazy weekend …

@Taly

– Thanks for replacing in. I have a couple of questions for you.

So you just discarded all your reads as of 683 because you didn’t like how people reacted to your entrance? Are you telling me all the work you did in your “First 9” catch-up was so flimsy as to just be discarded because you replaced a slot under pressure and people didn’t immediately give you replacement halo Town read?

Eh, discarding all of them was a bit of an exaggeration. I was being less fixed in my thinking since I wasn't updated.

I realized if I read the first 9 pages and made reads there, it wouldn't really apply to the gamestate at hand, and I figured that's what people were talking about. So I decided to keep my notes/thoughts I already had, but not let that dictate my thinking, and then read through the thread without coming to a lot of conclusions until I've made my assessment via quote replies after reading through.

I was mending a problem I tend to have in Mafia - where I speak too much and too quickly in order to get info this way instead of reading in depth

((which was what I did in my entrance and on page 27, and realized that wasn't too helpful until I did my own full reading))

.

In 640 you asked me about having Townreads. Do you think it is problematic to not have Townreads stated 24 hours or so into the game? If so why should I be Town reading you given your predecessor committed to basically at most 1 or 2 reads his entire tenure? If not why ask the question in the first place?

People form reads at different rates and off different ways of thinking.

So I don't think it's problematic to not have townreads within 24 hours, but I do think townreads are important to be voiced. It helps others - and mostly me - see where a person's head is at and lets me gauge their motives better. But, I don't expect everyone to agree with that.

Posting few reads isn't necessarily AI. It depends on the person, and I'm not

Dave

. I don't operate like

Dave

, I'm more vocal than him usually.

I don't want people to look at me and see my predecessor all the time. I'm my own player.

Also, when I ask what a person's townreads are, I don't want their read on me - unless I ask specifically. I want their

general

thinking.

Finally based on your only scum read in 641 and the sparse mentions of Sky in 640 am I to take it that the entirety of your scum read on the lowest hanging fruit in the game is for the use of LAMIST?

My scumread is a bit gone with

Sky

at the moment, she was a read that changed when I saw the context of the wagon.

And my biggest reason for her-scum wasn't solely for using LAMIST, my original thought was that I didn't find much motive to gamesolve on her end, which didn't make me feel very strongly about the scumread in the first place, especially upon reading more content.

691 is a much better look to my reads now.

[Skygazer]

Taly, how did you go from townreading brass to not being able to think of a post you like from him in 688? What were you seeing from him that was town early on that you don't like anymore?

Waiting to see flubber respond to outstanding questions from others before I place my vote.

HitAlt is both scummy and egoistical if they're gonna just call portions of the game and assume people will listen to them. mfw

Agreed

[the worst]

Reminder to everyone – I end up dead tomorrow morning this should absolutely be one the first stops on your “Let’s talk to those most likely to kill MoI”. After Echo Bay I think scum theworst becomes obvious to me by Day 2 “worst” case (ha, I kill me).

believe me after our brief history, if you flip tonight I'll be the first one bringing it up tomorrow.

(also please don't kill you that would be tragic)

[the worst]

@Taly/Hit--both of you guys can fairly capably read me (and MoI may or may not be able to literally look into my soul). I'm chilling this phase a little in the spirit of the game as I'm normally the bloke with the same postcount as half the rest of the thread put together at this point.

my playstyle doesn't lend itself well to short coherent synthesised posts so it's something I need to force. the number of players in this phase doesn't make that easy yet.

are there people you're not willing to engage with or are you observing rn? I've seen you with more posts in games of this size

re-read full post for context pls.

yes this is deliberate.

[brassherald]

VOTE: Andrius

What do you see here?

[brassherald]

Elbirn's stock definitely goes up in my book this weekend, and he was already pretty good. Taly's down. I still think dramonic is the best lynch, though.

So, I'm going back to dramonic, since it seems no one is working with anyone, might as well set off on my own like everyone seems to be doing.

VOTE: dramonic

[profii]

I'm likely to vote sky/taly if Flubber wagon doesn't go anywhere. I'll take another look at Dramonic, but I've pretty much been focussed on my Rask'ers thing, Taly has been the only other player to really hit my scum-dar whilst I've stayed there so perhaps Dramonic is worth a read.

[profii]

Elbirn's stock definitely goes up in my book this weekend, and he was already pretty good. Taly's down. I still think dramonic is the best lynch, though.

So, I'm going back to dramonic, since it seems no one is working with anyone, might as well set off on my own like everyone seems to be doing.

VOTE: dramonic

out of interest what do you think of dramonic and taly together, dramonic seems to get involved in the dave ending so idk I don't think I'd see that as SvS bus on day 1?