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In post 691, Titus wrote:My MariaR read is falling due to her lack of posting.

Oh just FYI, unless we lynch scum today, I don't plan on putting the dayvig in the shop. However, if it appears, it should be used as a second lynch for town if I die. Get a slot to L-1, it claims. If the day vig recipient thinks the slot is scum, it shoots it. If not, it doesn't. It needs to decide within 12 hours or its next post.

That is unless the dayvig holder also has a mechanical guilty. Then the holder should try to drive a wagon on the guilty target. If the wagon is successful pre-claim, hold the shot. If another wagon gets to L-1, then shoot the guilty.

3 scum with 800 so thats max 3 buyouts

A2: cop shot, scum will take it, one will bid 501

If we get scum today, that gets rid of another buyout
A3: dayvig shot, scum will take it, one will bid 501

After that scum wont have buying power and you buy the auction cop shots to try and find the 501 dayvig bid


Being real dayvig is a trap in this set up lmao

In post 701, Ginngie wrote:

In post 691, Titus wrote:My MariaR read is falling due to her lack of posting.

Oh just FYI, unless we lynch scum today, I don't plan on putting the dayvig in the shop. However, if it appears, it should be used as a second lynch for town if I die. Get a slot to L-1, it claims. If the day vig recipient thinks the slot is scum, it shoots it. If not, it doesn't. It needs to decide within 12 hours or its next post.

That is unless the dayvig holder also has a mechanical guilty. Then the holder should try to drive a wagon on the guilty target. If the wagon is successful pre-claim, hold the shot. If another wagon gets to L-1, then shoot the guilty.

3 scum with 800 so thats max 3 buyouts

A2: cop shot, scum will take it, one will bid 501

If we get scum today, that gets rid of another buyout
A3: dayvig shot, scum will take it, one will bid 501

After that scum wont have buying power and you buy the auction cop shots to try and find the 501 dayvig bid


Being real dayvig is a trap in this set up lmao

Dayvig is not a trap. It's a pretty poweful role if you actually hold off using it as town. Sometimes the threat of a role is more effective than actually having it trigger. I had the ability to force scum to face an extra lynch by holding my dayvig in Titus v Alisae. That effectively hamstrung the last scum's endgame because he would be out of lynches mechanically. I even added the novice modifier to my dayvig to ensure I couldn't blow it too early.

Scum on the other hand would want to blow a dayvig early as soon as they got a hint of whoever had the two shot watcher role for instance, as watcher can get a hard guilty early in the game. Scum successful play is about blocking the ways town can defeat you or blocking the ways your team can implode. (Town is sort of similar although you actually have to go forward towards lynching/shooting scum as well.)

Imma take a nap on that

In post 558, gobbledygook wrote:

In post 555, Bingle wrote:Gobbles is a player I'm okay leaving as a high value scumkill tonight

What...? Why am I high value scum kill?

Percieved skill.

In post 560, gobbledygook wrote:Why PB, Bingle?

Why not? He's been the awkward half of a bunch of interactions, so he seems like a pretty good lynch choice.

In post 704, Bingle wrote:

In post 558, gobbledygook wrote:

In post 555, Bingle wrote:Gobbles is a player I'm okay leaving as a high value scumkill tonight

What...? Why am I high value scum kill?

Percieved skill.

In post 560, gobbledygook wrote:Why PB, Bingle?

Why not? He's been the awkward half of a bunch of interactions, so he seems like a pretty good lynch choice.

I think both PB and Gobble are horrible lynch choices.

In post 571, Menalque wrote:Bingle what did you think of titus’ gamma vote?

Don't particularly like the vote, don't mind that the vote was made.

Those of you who haven't had the incomparable pleasure of a true Pine catchup, I prefer to use a page-by-page stream of consciousness. The only thing I've really looked at so far has been Ali's ISO, to figure out what the general gamestate/auction state is. I'll include post links as I go, but will only quote for extra-important stuff, to reduce clutter. Here we go!

PAGE 1
-Nothing really interesting, except to learn that Pengu is The Captain. Aye aye, sir!
-I take it back, Menalque actively campaigning for Market Leader is concerning, I'll keep an eye on him.
PAGE 2
-25 & 26 - Don't let Menalque fool you with this "I'm a naive new player" crap. Blowing his whole wad in the first page and campaigning hard for leader...yeah, no. Do not like.
-33 - Datisi knows what's up.
PAGE 3 & 4
-Blah blah fluffy nonsense.
-Datisi continues to be Town.
PAGE 5
-101 - Cool, Gamma's got a head on his shoulders
-116 - Ehh, I took it as a joke. If she actually follows through, we'll talk. Actions > RVS jest. Decent early game vote though.
-Ginny's entrance looks genuine, though I'm only like 75% on that equating to Towniness.
PAGE 6
-Not seeing the early TRs on Titus. She's being sensible, but that's not even close to outside her scumrange.
-149 - Oh never mind I'm seeing it now.

In post 169, Titus wrote:

In post 161, gobbledygook wrote:

In post 129, Titus wrote:am good with setup spec but I don't have strong enough reads to be a marketplace leader yet.

Why do you/does anyone need strong reads to be an auction owner

Being the most effective shopkeeper owner involves identifying town and placing the best items for them in the market. People play differently.

This is Titus!Town. Being logical and reasonable could be either, but she's going out of her way to educate and explain.
PAGE 8
-Menalque's shading of Titus and Datisi is really stinky here. Especially as he's hedging. "Your reasoning is boring but not AI" and "This is bad if serious" is especially worrisome, as it seeks to put them down but not alienate. I don't see Town!Mena waffling like that.
PAGE 9
-Hey! A Pine!
PAGE 10-11
-Datisi's tunneling and Mena softening his stances a bit makes me like the former a little less and the latter a little more.
PAGE 12
-283 - Agreed, Mena/Turkey feels contrived, probably at least one scum in them, possibly two.
-290 - Maria actively sorting, she can be Town.
PAGE 13
-I'm seeing the Gobble suspicion here. The thought process he's expressing feels artificial, contrived more towards gaming the system than solving it.
PAGE 14
-Gamma's looking really good here. He's gamesolving and sorting.
-Gobble vs Mena starting to really look like a mutual bus ploy.
PAGE 15

In post 357, gobbledygook wrote:So his entire read on me is based off one post. And that’s somehow okay with people.

This feels like scum petulant at being caught for the "wrong reasons."
-I also really dislike his repeated use of "When I flip Town, what will you think of..." It's inherently in bad faith - you're dismissing peoples' observations, then demanding they respond to a hypothetical.
-Gobble then buddying Datisi feels off.
PAGE 16

In post 376, Pink Ball wrote:So Titus and Captain are town, gobble and Mena are both town too. Pine is probably town. Chemist could go either way but more town than scum. Bingle and Alacrity no content overall. Gingie I have no impression. And that goes perfect with my three scumreads: Datisi, Gamma and Maria!

Solved game guys.

Elect: Menalque

Umm, fucking what? No. You're not reading the same game I am. Empty reads that don't make sense or have internal consistency = HIGHLY SUSPECT.
-392 - This made me laugh though.
PAGE 17
-411 - FUCKING EXACTLY. Locktown Gamma. "Launching pad for a narrative." Gotta remember that turn of phrase.

Going to leave off at the top of page 18 for now. Since starting catch-up, I've watched an hour of Sesame Street and most of with the rugrat, made three lunches, had a summer camp staff meeting via Zoom, finally gotten the FedEx package I've been waiting half a month for, and done the dishes. I'm committed to finishing this by sundown.

That being said, in this type of setup, there is a good chance I am wrong about one of Gobble/PB being scum.

Gobble's vote claims appear to be particularly town unless he's the 500 dollar watcher bid.
PB and I just mindmeld too much for me to think he's scum.

Rock meet hard place.
Ice meet margarita.

Yippie. Yup that's right. Tipsy Titus for the next 30 minutes or so.

*vote claims = bid claims

Catch up soon. I have a big event today

In post 707, Pine wrote:-Gobble vs Mena starting to really look like a mutual bus ploy.

holy shit
someone else sees it

Didn't Gobble do that in his TM game?

Yayyyy Pine doesn't agree with me!! This is FUN

In post 670, Alacrity wrote:

In post 669, Datisi wrote:Alacrity, mind telling me why the PB SR?

He's an overexaggerated version of itself, as if he is playing to attempt to look town rather than to help progress the game.

It's rather different from how others have been playing! =)

I would love an explanation to this too 'cause last time I checked, when I pretend to be town I act like a motherfucking conciliator, not like this

Do I look town to you in this game? Am I attempting to be town??

And help progress the game my ass, as soon as Silver Bullet came here the game got FUN, that's PROGRESS!

In post 712, PenguinPower wrote:Didn't Gobble do that in his TM game?

Do what?

Mutual bus ploy

Or was that nsg and FF?

Or am I just making stuff up

It was NSG and FF. I did bus NSG because FFscum is more useful than NSGscum

In post 704, Bingle wrote:Percieved skill.

This is the nicest thing someone has said to me in Mafia game

Yeah, but wasn't it your idea and something you were pushing for since early in that game?

I didn’t ask them to bus each other or suggest that.
I suggested if we do bus we have to commit to it. I also suggested that they bus me since NSG would need Paragon cred if she was going to live to endgame in that game she would need it and FF is a better scum player than I am. Both of my teammates disagreed but then ended up doing exactly what I suggested just without the planning. It was all sorts of awkward.

In post 683, Ginngie wrote:

In post 626, gobbledygook wrote:Like you are not taking a stance on SO many hot topic people it is ridiculous

what is he missing that he should be focusing on then

In post 682, Ginngie wrote:

In post 602, Menalque wrote:

In post 596, gobbledygook wrote:

In post 576, Menalque wrote:

In post 425, gobbledygook wrote:My point is that the second sentence is engaging with Ginngie. You didn’t find it odd that Ginngie’s first comment back is asking how town I am? The only person voting him? Especially when you had given another hard town read? That doesn’t look self centered to you?

Not really? Asking for perceptions on how town the person pushing you is seems quite reasonable if you’re not sure if it’s a badpush or a scumpush

What do you mean “when you had given another hard town read?” — you mean ginngie or me

Also gobble trying to get me to shake off a scumread by insulting me is like probably the least effective way you could possibly approach that. Makes me feel like I’m being manipulated and commit to getting people lynched even harder

I’ll respond when you stop your tunnel.

You’ve done like nothing to make me TR you and have posts that are making me SR you

What should I be seeing that I’m not

saying someone scumreading you is tunneling you nowadays is like a great value OMGUS

Do you scum read me?

In post 680, Ginngie wrote:I like to engage in push my reads, and I dont care about typing out vote anymore given that you know once you're L-1 I get to vote my read anyway.

Does this mean when one of your scum reads gets to L-1 even on Page 1, you just hammer them? I’ve never played with you and I don’t understand this post.

In post 683, Ginngie wrote:

In post 626, gobbledygook wrote:Like you are not taking a stance on SO many hot topic people it is ridiculous

what is he missing that he should be focusing on then

What? He should at least be taking a definitive stance on people. He is fence sitting on you, PB, MariaR. People who should be high value sorts. Maybe you’re not high value sort but I don’t know you.