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In post 698, Truth wrote:Err, how long can we expect this day to take?

it's literally on every vote count

That's a long amount of time... I hope we don't plan to use all of it.

In post 701, Truth wrote:That's a long amount of time... I hope we don't plan to use all of it.

In post 697, osuka wrote:truth on the other hand keeps trying to get himself lynched

In post 626, mavsfan41 wrote:@Cat Scratch Fever: what’s the case on Nauci? Her actions around the GL wagon are weird, sure. But in a very short span she votes GL, unvotes him. Later she mentions GL in 493 but also is critical of Norwegian in 494 & 496. I’m not sure scum!Nauci unvotes GL and makes 494 & 496. This seems to me like town reconsidering between the two whereas scum would’ve parked the vote and called it a day.

I don't think the unvote is super AI either way.

Town can unvote there because maybe they really think two people could qhammer. scum can also unvote because that's what they would do as town.

Unvoting there is super easy - it's really not hard for scum to fake that, so I don't think that's a valid reason to be townreading someone.

My case on Nauci is that she seems to comment on things that aren't game related when there's content to analyze. I would like to see where she lands once she gets more time to dedicate to this game.

In post 690, popopopopopopo wrote:I'd like more votes on cat

his iso pre voting me is very poor as I've laid out.

The lack of self awareness is pretty astounding.

Where do you think my ISO is bad? You scumread me for townreading people too easily when you can't point to a townread that you thought was weak?

In post 692, Glitch wrote:Quote from Looker

Where did you end up on Looker? You started out saying his post was shallow and then you liked one of his pushes.

RE: Truth - If Truth is scum, there are two other scum anyway, so you might as well pressure someone else. The reason is if you're wrong about Truth being scum and she is a Mason, then pushing Truth to lynch range will mean a mason buddy will have to reveal themselves as well.

In post 696, osuka wrote:lion has some slightly scummy vibes if we're talking strictly meta

Explain

In post 703, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:My case on Nauci is that she seems to comment on things that aren't game related when there's content to analyze. I

Your whole case on me is based on me making light hearted irrelevant posts sometimes?

It's predicated on your reading the thread without a scumhunting mindset

In post 706, Nauci wrote:

In post 696, osuka wrote:lion has some slightly scummy vibes if we're talking strictly meta

Explain

he doesnt usually play this defensively when hes town from what i can tell. he seems to be very obviously uncomfortable, which is a tell of scum gl

In post 536, popopopopopopo wrote:

In post 439, GuiltyLion wrote:The other thing I don't like about popoppopoopoppopo's vote:

You previously said Nauci was "forced as fuck" and were voting her. Then she quotes one, yes ONE, post of mine she doesn't like, and votes me, and your response is to put me at L-2 with no hesitation? Did your read on Nauci change? Do you think she just decided to lolbus me cause Norway wants to play like he's some RVS god, even though I later linked a game where I opened the exact same way as town? It seems pretty dissonant to me!

VOTE: popopopopopo

This post claiming issues with my vote is leaving out the VITAL fact that I am norwe's vote slave. In doing that, he completely misrepresented my supposed reasoning for switching votes. The push feels fake and based off a misrep. Norwe was cranking the pressure up pretty hard my man guilty needed a release.

Okay so now is the time to just stop with this whole vote slave bullshit. Start voting according to actual suspicions you have and not ones that are just spoon fed to you by your vote master. It is pro-town for us to get legitimate, un-tinted reads on you, not skewed and mixed up reads because we're trying to decipher between what's your genuine read on someone vs your vote master's read. Besides, if you're openly just casting votes to build up wagon numbers then the power of a wagon on someone is weakened. We have to maintain the pressure of a wagon and not sabotage one of our tools for getting scum to out themselves. Wagon people but don't defeat your own vote's power by publicizing, "I'm just following the leader with my vote to put people under more pressure." This is a variation of the exact conversation I had with Truth in my previous 2 posts.

In post 536, popopopopopopo wrote:

In post 479, Truth wrote:VOTE: popopopopopopo

He feels like he doesn't care. I also saw some reasons from tiger cat that I liked.

i mean who tf knows with this guy. He wants to nolynch, then he wants to quick lynch. Idk his alignment but certified VI

Can you actually make an effort rather than just being like "Omg Idk I just know you suck?" What would your reads be on him if he hadn't claimed mason? What are your thoughts on if he is the scum in a hood?

In post 555, popopopopopopo wrote:i owe norwe big, more than owe him im in debt to him. the reactions i am getting for this schtick also has been and will continue to be fruitful

When will you have to pick between loyalty to Norway or to this town and get off the fence? How long do you intend to continue this? We have a lot of discussion on your vote slave ordeal to discuss, now can you stop so we can get a different perspective to read you?

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In post 609, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:idk about "can't be scum with GL" since I don't bother with pre-flip associations but I want to wagon this

VOTE: Nauci

She seemed interested in figuring out popo's alignment earlier, but then this wagon on him built up to L-2

and

popo dropped a readslist and she pops in but doesn't comment on either at all.

This makes me want to iso Nauci. I'll be looking into.

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Reading up p26 Norway v GL feels TvT even though I haven't been able to figure out my read on GL up until now. This interaction feels towny from GL but I still havent been able to sort out his previous 1v1 earlier on. I need to go back and re-read it to clear up some haziness I have there. I have a hard time reading GL's posts and comprehending what the point is.

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Town reads are Noway and Cat Scratch right now. Norway vs GL recently gives off such strong scum hunting vibes from both sides and as an isolated argument feels TvT. I just want Noway to tell popopo to stop following his lead. I need to reread some of GL's earlier gameplay and then read through Norway vs GL with those revised lenses on. Cat has strong points and great townie questions in 537, 539, 548, 549, and 703.

Town lean to Looker as explained in 692
Town points to Quick on 521

Null on Candy shop. I started off by reading town but the lack of posts has me asking questions, particularly why is he still voting no lynch?? 442 was great questioning that sounded towny but there's been nothing since 473 and the vote is still on no lynch and that's just weird and gives me strange vibes.

Scum lean on popopo for everything at the top of this post
Scum read still on Truth for literally every post he's made

Interested in going back to reread up on Nauci and GL as I feel like there's some meat there I haven't gotten to. Struggling to keep up with y'all but doing my best.

tl;dr version: VOTE: popopopopo because I'm not down with a GL wagon until I go back and re-read, and popopo's defense has been shit basically just saying he owes Norway and he's doing it for reactions to talk about. Popopopopo can you stop being vague and irrational about when you'll stop voting with norway, and answer my questions above in response to your 555? It could very well be that you're scum trying to use this vote slave bullshit as a way to fly under everyone else's radar, and when it didn't work, the best way for you to push through a wagon on yourself is to stick to your guns and look like you've just been doing it for 1)loyalty to Norway, 2)scumhunting by getting reactions, or 3)shits and giggles all along. Pushing all this would be a great guise for scum except that you're twisted up in your own net and haven't been able to fly low.

And if that wasn't your plan, then your plan could have been to rile up all this nonsense and look so bold no one would think scum would do something so risky. Idk which way it goes, but each way I see at the moment looks messy unless you can just give us some original thoughts and original votes that aren't based on Norway and then we can get some un-tainted reads on you.

i think glitch can be town for now

In post 705, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:

In post 692, Glitch wrote:Quote from Looker

Where did you end up on Looker? You started out saying his post was shallow and then you liked one of his pushes.

Towny vibes but not strong enough for a solid read that way. Just town points. The point I was trying to make was that his promise of too busy during the week to being able to get into on the weekend held true, so his early posts were kind of useless but this weekend he has been contributing good content. His push against popo is what stood out as the difference in his play getting serious over the weekend, his 681 particularly. Decent vibes, need more like that and more in general before I would straight up town read him but town lean is fair.

Truth's wincon is to get himself killed,
thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

I don't understand how you can believe that. What reasons do you have for it? I have been trying to find mafia and I want a doctor to heal me so that I'm not killed tonight.

In post 714, Truth wrote:I don't understand how you can believe that. What reasons do you have for it? I have been trying to find mafia and I want a doctor to heal me so that I'm not killed tonight.

in what world do you live in

Truth, what's your homesite?

Glitch, Truth is definitely not making it near LYLO so why don't you just focus on everybody else for now? That's why we're ignoring it—this slot WILL be resolved eventually but it's not terribly useful to do it today no matter how many scummy posts they make.

In post 708, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:It's predicated on your reading the thread without a scumhunting mindset

I feel like I have definitely done some scum hunting but I can admit that it's not up to my usual standards

But my SO just got an Oculus Quest so I'm going back to virtual base jumping for the night and tackling this game in full tomorrow

My vote on Osuka stands and is a serious one, however

Osuka's posts have been like... 50% to call Truth's posts dumb, a few observations here and there, and a stubborn misrepresentation that I'm trying to buddy them by simply explaining that his melodrama isn't alignment indicative, and none of that is particularly deep insight.

Like, I don't think there's any world where Osuka and Quick are scum together because I just refuse to believe that Osuka would be willing to theater with Quick, but I don't think that anything he's done since then it's worthy of a town read.

If NDmath doesn’t post anything good soon i wouldn’t mind voting there tbh.

In post 719, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If NDmath doesn’t post anything good soon i wouldn’t mind voting there tbh.

Agreed.

In post 717, Nauci wrote:Glitch, Truth is definitely not making it near LYLO so why don't you just focus on everybody else for now? That's why we're ignoring it—this slot WILL be resolved eventually but it's not terribly useful to do it today no matter how many scummy posts they make.

That's why I'm shifting gears to Popo and others. That said, it doesn't make sense to me why we shouldn't discuss something just because the majority has just dismissed it for tomorrow. If there's a legitimate concern that truth is scum, Ben the scummiest thing for his scum Partners to do would be to try and just put off the Mason discussion until further notice. It's not like it hurts the town at all to talk about these things. I'm opening up my discussion and evaluations two other players because it's obvious that we are not going to get a wagon formed on truth. But I really don't like your dismissal until tomorrow. I'll come back to that in a little bit and if truth ever what's scum this conversation will be important.

I'm on my way to work and I work in a breakfast and lunch restaurant. Father's Day is generally the busiest day of the year or close second to Mother's Day. Probably won't be back on until late this evening.

Rest of catchup.


Reads Tiered:
Norwee
osuka quick
popo catscratch looker mavs
Glitch nauci
Candyshop
Lion

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