Open 785: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Game over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.22

Mohab500

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(6):

Umlaut (596), Fredrick A Campbell (608), Eevee (622), Raya36 (634), Snowblaze (646), Ydrasse (658)

Snowblaze

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(5):

HoldenGolden (511), Menalque (532), Almost50 (570), Something_Smart (671), RCEnigma (672)

RCEnigma

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(1):

Mohab500 (502)

Not Voting

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(1):

Titus

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-16 11:50:59).

[Menalque]

Looking at the VCs alone, I postulate a snow Frederick Ydrasse team.

I very much doubt ydrasse is scum. I suppose fredrick maybe could be and if we get snow today and she flips scum we can talk about that tomorrow

[Eevee]

There was something unclear about it. As I recall there was a detail of the setup that I thought was underspecified as written.

In other news:

I see you, Mohab.

someone hammer her please

the contrast to partiton means her behaviour this game is most likely faked - don't be distracted by snow or blazes - you'll burn yourself

~Eve

[Menalque]

Eevee, why do you think snow is town?

[Eevee]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

look at her scumgames and compare them to the level of effort and reads that she's giving out now

~Eve

[Eevee]

Spoiler:

Mohab/Menalque, I think.

I'm not feeling Menalque thinking Mohab's dumbtelling is town-indicative. NAI/not first choice of scum, maybe, but the way he's casing it here and the stance he's taking makes me feel like he's committed to a suboptimal scum stance and can't let go.

@Menalque: what's your progression on our slot? I remember you townreading us in the beginning; when did that change and why?

~Eva

[Eevee]

Otherwise, I +1 to Eve's Mohab read. I was following partition too and I agree she's weird. Snow, I'm gonna have to trust Eve on that one.

~Eva

[Umlaut]

Seems like Mohab is just not playing this game. There is no reason as town or scum for her not to have her vote on Snowblaze here.

[Menalque]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

look at her scumgames and compare them to the level of effort and reads that she's giving out now

~Eve

The second game is entirely consistent with the amount of effort she’s put in here. I already meta’d her, what about her play in this game, besides meta, makes you think she is town?

[Menalque]

Spoiler:

Mohab/Menalque, I think.

I'm not feeling Menalque thinking Mohab's dumbtelling is town-indicative. NAI/not first choice of scum, maybe, but the way he's casing it here and the stance he's taking makes me feel like he's committed to a suboptimal scum stance and can't let go.

@Menalque: what's your progression on our slot? I remember you townreading us in the beginning; when did that change and why?

~Eva

Oh please, if I were scum I could be forcing this wagon about a hundred times harder than I am here to make sure mohab wasn’t lynched. The gamestate has been incredibly loose and scum!me would absolutely have taken advantage of that to take a more domineering role than I have.

And yeah, you kind of faded out, and then came back in to lead a pretty poor push (in its quality) away from my preferred scum choice. It’s kind of similar to what happened with firebringer in the recent JK9++ game — I started off TRing him for being ~*aorund*~ and having a presence then he sort of faded away and I realised what was there was never a strong basis for a TR anyway. This is all obviously assuming that mohab will flop town and that snow will flip scum. If mohab does flip scum then you’re very likely town.

[Menalque]

@ydrasse you should vote snow again

[Menalque]

@fredrick you should change your vote to snow

[Menalque]

Titus can you explain why you think it’s snow next time you’re here, please?

[northsidegal]

Montosh replaces HoldenGolden.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Ydrasse]

i'm not convinced right now that snow is the better vote tbh? like, she gets flack for having these sort of wishywashy reads that aren't a particularly strong stance, and then under pressure she... keeps giving wishywashy reads? like, fmpov 617 is just throwing out names of "yeah, i tr this and that" and then when she goes down the few people that she doesn't throw out a townread on... she gets four nulls/sorta town/towny? at best she gets "pings in both directions" in 618.

i mean like, unless snowblaze is just being that blatant i don't see a world where a scum player gets that much pressure on them and goes "yep, self preserving. don't mind me, voting again for self preservation" with like... no true push on anyone or anything? no scumreads to come of it? like, i'd imagine there'd be at least something there for her to go after in an effort to appear revitalized towards the game, but... no, there's nothing there.

i'm happy to vote her tomorrow but right now with the lack of nothing at all from mohab i feel better having my vote here.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Ydrasse

I appreciate that verbose is not your style, but you want to push a new wagon now you're going to have to make a pretty strong case.

[Montosh]

Hello people! I'm gonna read through what's here and try posting a few thoughts before I head off to sleep.

@Mod Would a short extension be possible to the upcoming deadline?

[Menalque]

@ydrasse I just don’t really get why those things make her not scummy. Like if pressure leads to content production but it’s a struggle for scum!snow to come up with realistic scumreads, why would that not manifest as coming up with more detailed but still very non-commital reads?

Also, the self-preserving thing is super null in a situation like this. If I’m town then I’m gonna vote for self-pres even if I think the three person is town because, hey, I might be wrong about them but I know what my role PM is. If I’m scum I’m gonna vote them cause I don’t wanna die. And do you really think snow has enough traction in this game to lead a wagon on anyone new here? Besides which, she doesn’t even have a scumresd to lead said wagon on

[northsidegal]

The deadline is being extended by 24 hours. This will be reflected in the most recent votecount as well as in post 0.

[Umlaut]

Plurality mechanics or no, I'm afraid if we don't majority someone the day will never end

[Montosh]

8 So I can barely what my slot's previous owner is trying to say, luckily I don't need reads on myself.
9 Setup spec on many games is borderline okay, but on an open? That's something I do as scum and well I don't like it much here from Mohab.
16 I actually don't see the votato/Umlaut slot opening with a RVS fun fact is odd, as Porkens/RC say in 22
27 Fair point. I do like Raya actually trying to move through RVS. Towny vibes early.
43 Mohab's string of posts here aren't great. I'm ignoring that slot she says (which is bad to do in any case) and then re-evaluates that less than a minute later? And then her read on Raya is odd. Creating something out of (nearly) nothing is how RVS progresses into not-RVS
51 Again with Mohab. Yeah early wagons aren't all that meaningful. Feels like just posting something for the sake of posting, so she doesn't need to have the unvote alone.
58 Not a big fan of opening with a vote and nothing else from Craig/Menalque. Also 73
67 I think it's reachy to make a deal about something they got from RVS content. Not much to go on that's normal (Eevee slot).
70 And again with the not explanation votes first post vote from old Fred here.
94 Basically agree with Umlaut's read list here except for chemist, which isn't there enough up till this post for a read on my end anyway.
98 Umlaut continuing to town it up.
109 Homura voting Craig with any reason, who themselves have said very little beyond just voting. I'll stop going on about it because it's probably barely AI, if at all, but it sorta bothers me.
110 This reads list from Snow is so indecisive, hedging it all. Why even post reads at that point? I largely agree with the reads as they are though.
149 I could see Craig's too scum to be scum act being a legit scum play here.
167 I agree with the assessment of Craig's posting up to now. I could see scum just doubling down on the too scummy to be scum act and then escape at the first opportunity they had.

[Menalque]

Jesus christ, can we not

[Almost50]

And mohab does it again *Sigh* (And so does chemist)

[northsidegal]

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