In post 576, Hoopla wrote:davesaz - under-the-radar somewhat. not a crime per se in a game this fast, but given it's (theoretically) easier to stream-of-conscious spam through the pages as town, under-the-radar seems a viable factor to consider in a D1 execution. hasn't done anything outright scummy, but from a POE perspective he is suss given
i have mostly town-leanings.
this doesn't seem to really line up with what you've said about people?
you and to a lesser extent dunnstral were my only scum leanings in that post?
but but you put him as suspicious from a POE perspective, but your townreads did not appear numerous or strong
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:57 am
by petapan
there should only be one "but", i did not mean to imitate stammering with my post
In post 576, Hoopla wrote:davesaz - under-the-radar somewhat. not a crime per se in a game this fast, but given it's (theoretically) easier to stream-of-conscious spam through the pages as town, under-the-radar seems a viable factor to consider in a D1 execution. hasn't done anything outright scummy, but from a POE perspective he is suss given
i have mostly town-leanings.
this doesn't seem to really line up with what you've said about people?
you and to a lesser extent dunnstral were my only scum leanings in that post?
but but you put him as suspicious from a POE perspective, but your townreads did not appear numerous or strong
This is my point. It feels as though the door is being left open on slots to simulate a natural trajectory.
From the reads post, the only townleanings that didn't seem backhanded were Skitter, S_S and Infinity.
to give an analogy: i worked with a designer recently on an art project, and she was hypercritical of every little detail. think a micromanager to the nth degree. over time i simply learned to filter out her comments as it was too distracting to take everything she said on board. it may have even led to me overlooking some good advice, because she couldn't pick her moments.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:06 pm
by Hoopla
@peta, i'm about to head off. so i'll give you a more detailrd answer later.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:07 pm
by Infinity 324
I think people's reasons for scumreading hoopla are not the best but I am also getting scumvibes from her.
give me your reads on davesaz, dunnstral, infinity and something_smart first.
townleaning on Infinity because i think he's making valid and helpful points and his mindset seems to be solvey, with genuine attempts to find town and scum. i don't think i have any chance at successfully reading SS because he's a very mechanical player and my reads on those are generally quite bad - if i had to give a read, extremely light townlean. dave is slightly weird because they seem to be focusing on me to a greater extent than they should be, and null on dunnstral because i don't have enough from them yet.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:10 pm
by Uncrowned
In post 709, Infinity 324 wrote:I think people's reasons for scumreading hoopla are not the best but I am also getting scumvibes from her.
What about her is scummy to you, then?
And if you can go a bit further, what do you think aren't good reasons for her being scumread?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:19 pm
by davesaz
In post 710, TheGoldenParadox wrote:dave is slightly weird because they seem to be focusing on me to a greater extent than they should be
How many of my posts have been specifically about you?
In post 709, Infinity 324 wrote:I think people's reasons for scumreading hoopla are not the best but I am also getting scumvibes from her.
What about her is scummy to you, then?
And if you can go a bit further, what do you think aren't good reasons for her being scumread?
It's hard to explain, but I want to say it's her level of comfort with certain things. It makes sense to not necessarily want to elim in the 4s, but I think she may be more worried about pulling a gambit since they did that before.
I think hoopla, like s_s in a way, is slow to jump to conclusions, and e.g. saying she'll sort you later since you're very active makes sense from a town perspective, since it's hard to appear towny for long periods of time when you're very active.
In post 709, Infinity 324 wrote:I think people's reasons for scumreading hoopla are not the best but I am also getting scumvibes from her.
What about her is scummy to you, then?
And if you can go a bit further, what do you think aren't good reasons for her being scumread?
It's hard to explain, but I want to say it's her level of comfort with certain things. It makes sense to not necessarily want to elim in the 4s, but I think she may be more worried about pulling a gambit since they did that before.
I think hoopla, like s_s in a way, is slow to jump to conclusions, and e.g. saying she'll sort you later since you're very active makes sense from a town perspective, since it's hard to appear towny for long periods of time when you're very active.
This didn't really make any sense to me. You're mentioning attributes of her posting but not saying what those attributes tell you about her alignment.
680 is extremely precise, you're not wrong there. Have you seen the glory of my precision before? It seems like perhaps not.
I don't give compliments often. Would you look at Uncrowned's posting and say it's low signal high noise? Sometimes the truth must be spoken.
That said, I do appreciate Hoopla's response. I often say we have two ears (eyes) and one mouth (keyboard) for a reason, and there is much value in reading much and saying little.
In post 714, Infinity 324 wrote:
It's hard to explain, but I want to say it's her level of comfort with certain things. It makes sense to not necessarily want to elim in the 4s, but I think she may be more worried about pulling a gambit since they did that before.
I think hoopla, like s_s in a way, is slow to jump to conclusions, and e.g. saying she'll sort you later since you're very active makes sense from a town perspective, since it's hard to appear towny for long periods of time when you're very active.
This didn't really make any sense to me. You're mentioning attributes of her posting but not saying what those attributes tell you about her alignment.
"I think town!hoopla would likely be more worried about scum pulling a gambit." Better?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:57 pm
by Infinity 324
Willing to vote hoopla today, cause the vibes are strong enough. Also willing to sheep people on lilith cause I townread the people who think she's scum. I like DGB's catchup.
a) i am noting that your scumreads of lilith/dave/hoopla are fairly unoriginal
b) also noting that if lilith is indeed scum this vote should not get any towncred imo ^
