Death Curse

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Zdenek's posts so far have been a disappointment. I agree with Bell that this last one is fence-sitty, but more than that -- it's about as game advancing as a fart in a coffee shop. There is no substance:

-A request that is too vague to fulfill.
-The most obvious statement in the world. I think I saw like one person even float a Tayl0r-Noraa team here, and that got shut down. If you've seen Tayl0r's other games, she's prone to defending no-hopers, bad townies and scum as town anyway.
-The closest thing to substance, buried by not having a question mark on the important part (easy to overlook) and a comparatively massive sidebar into something that didn't even happen in the game and has all the bearing of beached squid in Iceland on Noraa's fate.
-Vague request of the most gnomic player in the game, which could be touching on 3 different posts I saw, none of which help find scum or town and which will take at least 24 hours to progress to the point that everyone can see that I was right.
-A reads list consisting of the easiest slot to bully, the lurkiest lurker we have, and someone I think is another easy miselimination if town.

Zdenek, have you considered that asking game advancing questions might be better for the town? Or being more specific if you absolutely have to ask questions that don't help sort slots? Maybe taking any kind of strong stand at all? (Noraa doesn't count, since there is literally no risk and you can sit back and let everyone else make your arguments for you.)

[Bell]

im not an alt btw so no idea why you think I have boatloads of experience playing

Didn’t you say you played a bunch of games offsite?
I don’t think you’re an alt.
Also, it’s not like I haven’t heard the alt accusation a ton myself.

[shellyc]

man i've been trying to fake a newb

ok fine, but inconsistency generally comes from scum more than town especially in that exact SAME POST without elaboration

[MUSHSHAGANA]

UNOwen is here! Quick, get 'em!

UNOwen, I would like your opinions. All of them (that are relevant to the game). I would like them soon, because right now your slot is /content free/. Zero calories. No fat, sugar, artificial flavors, natural flavors. 100% empty.

[UNOwen]

@ unowen, not great. What’s your name a reference to?

"And Then There Were None"

[shellyc]

UNO's not usually immediately obvtown but i've got confidence i can sort there, providing they give content

I would like to hear your thoughts on specifically Isis and Bell

[shellyc]

non serious i just found i might have a bias towards scumreading people with tiny names and townreading people with long names

[Bell]

The level of confidence you’re showing doesn’t add up with the results you should be getting.
You should be wrong more than you are right due to the surface nature of how our brains think about mafia.
We tend to think the odds of us being right on a read is significantly higher than random chance. But when we’re new this usually quickly shows itself to be a flaw which results in some sort of re-evaluation of how you’re reading and interpreting people socially. Even if you’re right more than random to you it should feel like you’re wrong more than 50% of the time.

[UNOwen]

UNOwen is here! Quick, get 'em!

UNOwen, I would like your opinions. All of them (that are relevant to the game). I would like them soon, because right now your slot is /content free/. Zero calories. No fat, sugar, artificial flavors, natural flavors. 100% empty.

I disagree my slot is content free. It has a juicy and filling Noraa scum read, I do not expect to vote elsewhere until she is cursed.
If there is something specific you'd like me to opine about, ask and I will provide.

[Isis]

You've been multitabling since July shelly. I c u. Don't play.
The first five games or so are where you kind of turn a corner with it I think.

I think zdenek's post is cognitively dissonant like shelly is saying and it's scummy. I will even VOTE: Zdenek because I feel like even though her Bell case is maybe strong I would have to reread posts and I feel lazy.
The post reads like he didn't internalize how townish the thing he was questioning made him -feel- even when his brain goes "you can townread this but also there's a way to interpret this where it can be scum".

As town you generally average it and then it goes inside your feels and the next time you talk about that person they aren't going to be a scumread.
I've worked myself up now maybe it doesn't matter if I get the spoons to read Bell's iso lol

[Bell]

This is because even if you’re really good at this game if you’re right 50% of the time you’re playing insanely well.
The point being is that our own brains suck at math and this humbles us because we’re incredibly arrogant.

@shellyc, oh, I feel like we’ve had this conversation before.

[Isis]

MUSHSHAGANA is spicy and flavorful how have I not played with this person

[shellyc]

You've been multitabling since July shelly. I c u. Don't play.
The first five games or so are where you kind of turn a corner with it I think.

what does this even mean lol

[shellyc]

This is because even if you’re really good at this game if you’re right 50% of the time you’re playing insanely well.
The point being is that our own brains suck at math and this humbles us because we’re incredibly arrogant.

this is wifom because if we overthink it we just end in an endless loop of re-evaluation
and some reads > no reads
that is probably my townplay motto

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Primarily because I have played all of like what, 3 games since I joined a second time? (Lost my original account, no idea what the login info is and cannot access the email address I signed up with, and that account was many, many, many years ago.)

[Bell]

Probably?

[shellyc]

Probably?

the other one is "mafia is a game of charisma, the least charismatic person each day gets elim'd"

[shellyc]

I disagree my slot is content free. It has a juicy and filling Noraa scum read, I do not expect to vote elsewhere until she is cursed.
If there is something specific you'd like me to opine about, ask and I will provide.

yes

thoughts on isis and bell now

[Isis]

You've been multitabling since July shelly. I c u. Don't play.
The first five games or so are where you kind of turn a corner with it I think.

what does this even mean lol

multitabling means being alive in more games than once.

I see your name as "last posted" a lot across site so I figure that you do although to be more technically correct I'm sure you didn't play multiple games at once until sometime after your join date
I consider anyone with like 5 games pretty experienced.

[UNOwen]

UNO's not usually immediately obvtown but i've got confidence i can sort there, providing they give content

I would like to hear your thoughts on specifically Isis and Bell

Isis is mildly suspicious. I did not like the "give me vig" plan, I can believe someone who thinks they have found a high profile but town read scum wanting to take the shot. However, the reasoning provided was not very compelling, the main point being some meta behaviour that I don't know about but doesn't sound like the type of logic that would convince me. This makes the whole thing look like a performance. The retraction seemed to come about naturally though, I'm not sure that was the sort of thing that could be planned out.

Bell has out of game stuff going on it sounds like, so it seems that any read I make on him will be coloured by that. I will return to him later in the game.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

To get back to you, UNOwen, I think you could opine on /literally any slot except the universal punching bag/? I mean, you are taking /no stands/ here. I don't even expect your vote to move, I expect you to have anything at all to talk about with this 20 player game OTHER than the player that's been talked about to death.

Your slot is content free. Content. Free. You have taken no stand worth remarking on, you have chimed on on zero non-Noraa events of any sort, you have posted no reads that aren't the single easiest elimination/miselimination possible in this entire game. UNOwen, if I didn't know better I'd say you weren't playing this game at all, and that you're on the player list by mistake and using the opportunity to dunk on Noraa. /That isn't a compliment./

[shellyc]

Isis is mildly suspicious. I did not like the "give me vig" plan, I can believe someone who thinks they have found a high profile but town read scum wanting to take the shot. However, the reasoning provided was not very compelling, the main point being some meta behaviour that I don't know about but doesn't sound like the type of logic that would convince me. This makes the whole thing look like a performance. The retraction seemed to come about naturally though, I'm not sure that was the sort of thing that could be planned out.

interesting take

ok why do you think the logic is weak because meta itself is quite compelling

[MUSHSHAGANA]

To try and get posts out I have resorted to not even skimming stuff posted while I'm posting myself. I can now amend the above to the past tense.

[shellyc]

im fine with you not reading bell but you shall give shelly the overlord more things

post a full readslist of active people

[Bell]

Unknown. Oh. Neat Owen.

I dunno, you’ve seen the follies of people enough and you’ve been scum enough to know how often we are to be wrong.
Though there’s a lot of players that are like that and keep on truckin’
So meh.

The charisma thing I feel plays more into early day phases and irl mafia than online mafia. But off topic