In post 698, The Bulge wrote:your insistence on using meta for so many people this game, yourself included, but not mentioning my meta at all and instead speaking in vague general terms is continuing to weird me out.
what is "so many" people, afaik i only referenced it with regard to beeboy and (kind of) datisi, both of whom tend to be divergent in their play, otherwise i don't really reach back to look for that stuff unless i'm desperate, this is a severe exaggeration. i don't know why you'd act like i should have any sort of meta read on you?
In post 698, The Bulge wrote:how long do you actually think it took me? what was your point in saying that? what is your basis? what does coming for my timing accomplish except to discredit me?
longer than it should have, the fact that you kept hinting toward it where i'd expect town to just out with it, if i wanted to discredit you i'd point to the content of your case (it's bad), not your timing like what the hell is this
but i don't want to belabor this point, i just think it's a bad, stretchy case that focuses on minutiae of someone's posting rather than analyzing actual content, your other posts say basically nada, you are scum
In post 678, Datisi wrote:i mean, were we gonna get anything more out of that convo? i thought your suspicion on me was weird because i had recently done something similar in a towngame with you and i thought you should know better than to suspect me for *checks notes* calling an interaction tvt unprompted and using language such as "hot take", which i'm p sure someone in the thread said in the meantime is just my way of speaking. you thought the situations were not similar enough for my comparison to hold water.
once again, I didn't have a problem with your word choice, stop trying to make it that. there were several lines of yours that looked to me as performative and unnecessary for town to make. I agree we weren't getting anywhere talking about Jungle Oligarchy, but shutting down the conversation entirely instead of pursuing your own line of questioning when you said your read on me had flipped is scummy.
ok, here's the post you linked when you said you were first pinged by me:
In post 149, Summer Nights wrote:also, i think that bulge meant that datisi's takes were feeling performative which i did get pinged by too
like framing it as a hot take when i don't think? it's really one was a bit ? to me so i wanna understand
for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?
ydrasse's post included "framing it as a hot take" which you quoted in agreement so i assumed it was also a part of your suspicion. (though going back now, you *did* say it wasn't, so my bad there.)
i went back to check, you originally said in 137 and 138 that you didn't iike two of my posts, calling reck/hectic tvt (132) and me turning the question back at ydrasse (133). however, i *did* ask you why you felt they were performative / scummy, you didn't elaborate (174). so you didn't really explain what you were going with with "performative", and we started disagreeing about jungle oligarchy. saying i didn't pursue my own line of questioning is wrong, i did, you didn't respond to it.
also my read on you hadn't "flipped" from that interaction, it went from townlean > weaker townlean.
like, if you're town, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. if you're scum, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. i don't have too much need for wasting time trying to convince someone why my action shouldn't be scumleaned if they already disagreed with my explanation. just note it is a slight +scum thing for them and move on.
you shut down the conversation because the pressure was focused on you. if your read of me had really gone from town->scum in the span of that exchange then why would you not want me to keep talking?
oooor i shut down the conversation because it became boring and annoying and not worth the effort. and again, my read did not go like that.
this is scummy because ... ? like ok here's the thing. i play town by just spewing thoughts as they come because that way, at some point, it's gonna be obvious i'm town. a lot of my thoughts this game have been "wow this game is fuckin' boring. wow i don't feel like doing anything and i have nothing to talk about. oh, that is often scum indicative. hah."
you seem confident and nervous all at once in a way that suggests to me that you might possibly be playing outside of your usual scumrange, which is something you have certainly not hesitated to mention or imply.
i suspected i was your secret read, yes, i always suspect i'm the secret read when people say "oh i have a super secret scumread i'll sit on it for a bit". yeah i'm nervous if you're about to drop a bomb ass case that will just murder me on the spot. (this ain't it, though.) you're free to explain how these things make me scum, though. last time i checked, getting executed hurts my win condition as town too.
don't try to act like it isn't perfectly reasonable to assume that execution anxiety comes from scum more often than town.
it can be reasonable. and now, after i told you that i feel execution anxiety as either alignment, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that you no longer see it as a point in favour of scum!me?
unwilling to engage you directly about it? i mean, when someone asked who your super secret read is, you were like "no no wait i will make a case i cannot utter the name without the case ready", how was i supposed to directly engage with that, without even knowing? and i'm directly engaging you now, am i not?
obviously you're forced to engage with me now, why are you bringing this up? I was talking about before I said who my vanity vote would be. like you didn't want to risk adding fuel to the fire before knowing what to avoid doing to stop tipping me off.
i'm bringing this up because *you* brought it up. you said i was unwilling to engage you directly while you were ~preparing your mystery scumcase~. you shot down peta, who did try to engage with you before you revealed. i saw that. why would i then try to engage you on it, even if i did think it was about me? you were just gonna tell me to wait for the case.
In post 679, Datisi wrote:oh, forgot to add this part: going from "eh i'm slightly townleaning bulge for early day posting" to "yeah time has passed and bulge hasn't really done anything, i can drop a vote on him" is like, not quite a full 180 i think.
on its own, sure, but it's not a good look with the potential omgus and with how awkward your hop onto me was.
my vote on you didn't have anything to do with omgus, i.e. whether or not your case was about me. my vote on you had to do with you lowkey disappearing from the thread and doing nothing worthwhile. it being awkward is subjective. i thought it was great.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 682, Datisi wrote:ok only now i actually read through all the quotes you included as jokey self-awareness, and only now i noticed there's also a quote of me knowing reck doesn't like self-meta and me knowing that my own memory is fallible and that going from memory often isn't ideal for analyzing isos. eh, i can kinda? sorta? see that second one as "yeah if i'm wrong on these people, it's because i was just going from memory, okay, i wasn't purposefully misrepping them or anything" but like... i dunno.
i feel like if that were your train of thought, you'd maybe have written it out there?
what is the point of this?
me writing my thoughts out. i realized how that part of my 559 could be seen as scummy (the bolded), but you didn't include that reasoning, you just shoved it with the rest of the "self-aware jokey posts", which made me think that the bolded wasn't actually your thought process for why that post could be scum!indicative.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I really hate this case on Datisi. Ceph was already telling me that he's got a scumread on Bulge, and the whole contrived feel on this case he's got only makes me believe Ceph's reads more than I already do. The push is bad, the slot feels bad, it's just bad.
Do we have an update on that beeboy replacement yet?
Ari still confuses me, but idk. That might be a sortable later slot. Some of his stuff is good, and some of it just causes nosewrinkles which are never good. But I'm not really sure how to explain why they happen.
I also hate this case on Datisi cuz I really like Datisi's posting and feel really good about him, he's one of my top townreads atm.
Reck is also very up there on town reads, not just by me, but also by Ceph. And I usually am never sure if I'm reading him correctly, so having the backup confidence is real nice.
If the site doesn't go all dumb later tonight again, I'll probably do a more in depth thoughts post.
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Hi Creature, while people are getting distracted by bulge you’re still hot on my radar. If you’re town, please change that somehow. If you’re scum, feel free to continue doing what you’re doing
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
sirius, can you stop acting like a jester and start working with us and answering questions?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
Why? And I also want to know is petapan the only town read Innocent has and what's the reasoning for the town read.
like it's literally the first post before your last come on
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
Why? And I also want to know is petapan the only town read Innocent has and what's the reasoning for the town read.
like it's literally the first post before your last come on
pink fluff: (by red): may be faking newb style
(by giraffe) has a surface level read on them being town
(by me) readlist is a bit focused on specific players easier to push
bulge: teammates have not commented on this. seems to be asking other people questions to push them down a cliff without really reading much
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I'll gauge the room, I'm 5-ish pages into my catch-up. Do any of you terribly mind catching up by response to significant (imo) posts or just most of my thoughts summarized in a block?
Actually looking through the last VC that doesn't hold up. I don't know the game state page 20+ but it's probable there are at most 2 scum on my slots wagon. That's mostly by virtue of not yet being hammered.
