they both came at a seemingly opportunistic time without proper explanation, and kinda out of nowhere. that last point is maybe less so for ben than for isis, since i might have misunderstood his original post on you, but shrug.
their interactions with each other don't seem to be w/w in any world but I'm having trouble believing that they're v/v/v fsr.
That doesn't really explain why you think that since you basically just said what you said in 664 but with different wording. What in our interactions causes you to come to the conclusion of 1 scum in me/Datisi/ben?
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:42 am
by AaronFrost
I forgot not mafia was in this game
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:43 am
by AaronFrost
UNVOTE:
I don't think Isis is scum
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:48 am
by Datisi
cool. VOTE: isis
what made you think so and who is scum then?
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:28 am
by seCret hYdra
ugh
my brain feels like jelly rn
bad posts incoming
- hYdra
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:29 am
by seCret hYdra
In post 606, ben dover123 wrote:Also just to make sure I'm still looking in the right direction,
@everyone on the isis wagon
are you still voting her because of the V/LA attack?
basically yes, and the fact that posting up to ~page 25 was also pretty bad
things have improved recently tho
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:31 am
by seCret hYdra
In post 665, Scipio1 wrote:Also did sec/hyd just fall off the map or is that just me? I have little to no memory of any of their recent posts.
nope we're here
i tried to take a short break from mafia cuz my mood was a wreck, and other head is mimicking ico's weekend v/la
hey NM, make a readslist for me and i'll give u a hammer
- hYdra
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:33 am
by seCret hYdra
also does anyone disagree with schiavetto town?
- hYdra
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:25 am
by ben dover123
In post 676, Schiavetto wrote:
I mean, it's less about whether you "can" or "can't" and more about how you ask what the reason is behind those votes, but nothing about that post reads to me as you being genuinely interested in understanding the three votes. Like, I don't think it's out of the question for town to have such a defensive reaction there (three votes in quick succession like that is cause for alarm, sure), but where that falls apart for me is that you're not casing yourself, you're not casing any of the three voters, and there's like... no attempt to actually discriminate between the three votes or determine possible motivations for them or anything like that. And it's not like any of that is mandatory or whatever, but the absence is felt. Some of the stuff that follows--like the tangent on phaselengths, or the explanation for your hesitation to read any of those votes--is maybe less glaring, but still kind of feels unnatural to me, almost like an afterthought.
That's p much where I was at.
Oh I see. Still, no I did case myself against the apparent attacks that were made against me. I can pull up quotes for that if you want.
Datisi wrote:cool. VOTE: isis
what made you think so and who is scum then?
You don't feel like the Isis wagon is bad now?
seCret hYdra wrote:also does anyone disagree with schiavetto town?
- hYdra
She put a lot of effort into her reads and I respect that. Not fully town for me but entering that nulltown area.
I think her posting in the last few pages shows a very natural and logical though process (some examples are 617-624, 648, 652, 669, 672) that if it comes from scum, it's very well manufactured to look natural, but i genuinely feel like her posting has become more and more organic over time.
I also don't think the vanity vote on you is something that comes from scum when things have sort of stalled and and she could probably get away with staying on my wagon until end of day (which if she is scum would be her best chance of staying alive). It's just a weird move that doesn't make sense for scum!Isis to make in this situation.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:33 am
by AaronFrost
As for who's scum, I honestly have no fucking clue. I don't feel like I have the best grasp on this game at the moment so I'll probably do some rereading when I have time and see what I can find.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:35 am
by seCret hYdra
In post 711, ben dover123 wrote:She put a lot of effort into her reads and I respect that. Not fully town for me but entering that nulltown area.
Schiavetto's kind of in the same category of my reads as notsci and you where they've had enough content that I feel like I should have some read on them but I honestly don't.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:42 am
by Scipio1
In post 714, AaronFrost wrote:As for who's scum, I honestly have no fucking clue. I don't feel like I have the best grasp on this game at the moment so I'll probably do some rereading when I have time and see what I can find.
their interactions with each other don't seem to be w/w in any world but I'm having trouble believing that they're v/v/v fsr.
That doesn't really explain why you think that since you basically just said what you said in 664 but with different wording. What in our interactions causes you to come to the conclusion of 1 scum in me/Datisi/ben?
I mean, if I knew my exact thought process behind this thought I would've explained it lol.
I think her posting in the last few pages shows a very natural and logical though process (some examples are 617-624, 648, 652, 669, 672) that if it comes from scum, it's very well manufactured to look natural, but i genuinely feel like her posting has become more and more organic over time.
I also don't think the vanity vote on you is something that comes from scum when things have sort of stalled and and she could probably get away with staying on my wagon until end of day (which if she is scum would be her best chance of staying alive). It's just a weird move that doesn't make sense for scum!Isis to make in this situation.
do you agree with 618? from my pov it felt like being nitpicked over minute unimportant details. does the knowledge of "isis has seen town!me be *not* as townie" challenge your view? and what is your read on me, anyway?
and like, i wanna disagree with that second part, bc while things have *stalled*, they definitely don't feel *stable*. most of the people are going "oh, i'm townreading too many people, i'm not scumreading anyone", and i feel that in that
economy
gamestate, things can turn around quickly. (like, look at the way your wagon popped up shortly after i gave some much less-then-stellar reasoning for it.)
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:56 am
by Datisi
In post 718, Scipio1 wrote:I mean, if I knew my exact thought process behind this thought I would've explained it lol.
i feel like every once in a while paranoia starts creeping up on me about scipio
and then he goes ahead and drops a line like this and i'm like !!!
i feel like i felt this so many times as town
how does one not townread him for it
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:58 am
by Datisi
In post 688, Datisi wrote:(also while we're at it, why *is* [aff] [in the lower half of your nulls], ben?)
@ben
also if there's ordering between your ~nulls, i'd like to see that too.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:59 am
by Infinity 324
I'm also getting paranoid on scipio, and that line doesn't do anything for me
The more times you feel something as town, the easier it is to fake as scum
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:03 pm
by Datisi
scipio is a newer player, year? i know that reads like that (weird gutreads that i cannot quite explain) were (1) a thing i very often had as town and (2) a thing that i struggle(d) to fake as scum