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to be clear, I'm having trouble holding onto a Lukewarm scumread.

In post 700, fferyllt wrote:to be clear, I'm having trouble holding onto a Lukewarm scumread.

I do not like this. Maybe this is just because I am approaching everything you said with the mindset that you must be scum, so I am actively looking for an ulterior motive, but I immediately spotted an ulterior motive for softening your read on me.

You came into today confident that it was bell+me. Then suggested we vote bell first, which would leave it as me vs you tomorrow.

Then I started pushing for us to not vote bell today, and now you are softening your read on me.

That says to me that you want to put that message out there in case you get voted out today, it is easier for bell to win in a day 4 situation where it is me v Bell with Ivy having to choose between the two of us. In that situation, Bell could quote this exact message to say "see, ff and luke were partners all along. she pushed me hard Day 3, but she floated luke's possible innocence."

sigh

I may do 2 or 3 rethinks this game day. And I may come back to the same conclusion every time. But, if I DON'T do that, and if I don't acknowledge my gut, then I'm likely to wind up hopelessly tunneled.

I can do all that silently, and not let my thoughts hit the thread but that's a disservice to my team -- the town team.

If you're town, then I need to figure that out.

I mean, softening your opinion on me cannot possibly make me think you are town. I know, for a fact, that me and Egix are clear. Therefore, there must be 2 scum out of you, bell, and Ivy.

Unless the purpose of Post 700 was to throw Ivy back into suspicion? Because I really don't see that.

Yeah. reevaluating you means reevaluating her too.

her not posting makes me antsy.

basically, my case for you being scum is that your play is too good to be true. That needs a LOT of review and introspection to hold on to.

Before I go I think I should send a parting letter.

VOTE: FF

@demian: sorry for misreading you.

Best wishes.

^^ Scum.

Replacing out leaving a vote on another player at ELO is absolutely not something Town-Bell would do.

I'm more than satisfied he should be the elim.

Lukewarm, do you concur this move is pure scum-equity?

Bell

Lukewarm, fferyllt, Ivyeo, Egix96

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That cat...<3

Yeah, I cannot image that play coming from town. if they are replacing out, because they could have just let their replacement vote for who every Egix chooses.

This play further steels in my mind that you are his partner, not Ivy (not that I was really suspicious of Ivy to begin with). If the scum team was bell+ivy, that was a game losing play, when they were in an almost unlosable possition.

Bell+Ivy could have just waited on you and I to duke it out, and they would have won regardless of which of us won over Egix today. If I got my way, we would have voted either you or me today, and the game would have ended immediately when the vote passed. If you got your way, then Day 4 would have started with you/me/Ivy alive, and neither you nor I suspicious of Ivy. In that scenario, I would have voted you no matter what.

Bell+Ivy should not be a pair that should be considered at all anymore, imo

Thank tlaloc I'm not his partner.

That was a gamethrow of a move. He obscummed himself. I mean, there's still a chance town loses this, but the game has gotten easier.

In post 709, fferyllt wrote:I'm more than satisfied he should be the elim.

I have already outlined why I think voting bell today is not the best more for town, and it had nothing to do with me thinking that they could be town, and everything to do with my belief that letting Day 4 start with you/me/Ivy left being a more dangerous choice for town then letting egix decide between us today.

If anything, I felt like this makes me more confident that we should leave Bell for Ivy to deal with tomorrow, because they have essentially outed themselves as scum with this play, so tomorrow's vote will be a formality more then anything else.

I feel like we can all agree that this is not something Town-Bell would do, so lets aske the question, what would Scum-Bell hope to gain by making the play of outing themselves today?

I think I found my answer quite quickly, seeing as how your immediate response was to try and use that play as an extra reason why we should vote Bell today. You+Bell are hanging your chance at a win on the Day 4 [Luke/Ivy/FF] scenario.

I disagree.

I'd disagree even if you were pushing someone other than me.

It's extremely difficult to resist the urge to vote Bell-slot right flippin now.

But, it's better to kick all the tires for a few days and then hear what egix thinks about alignments.

In post 715, fferyllt wrote:Thank tlaloc I'm not his partner.

That was a gamethrow of a move. He obscummed himself. I mean, there's still a chance town loses this, but the game has gotten easier.

Based on your experience with Bell, you are going to look at that play and assume he is just throwing the game? Screw his partner, and screw his future replacement?

My immediate question was "what does the scum team hope to gain from him making this play," and then immediately saw you try to use it to push the vote on Bell today. Lines up pretty clearly from my PoV

In post 719, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 715, fferyllt wrote:Thank tlaloc I'm not his partner.

That was a gamethrow of a move. He obscummed himself. I mean, there's still a chance town loses this, but the game has gotten easier.

Based on your experience with Bell, you are going to look at that play and assume he is just throwing the game? Screw his partner, and screw his future replacement?

My immediate question was "what does the scum team hope to gain from him making this play," and then immediately saw you try to use it to push the vote on Bell today. Lines up pretty clearly from my PoV

The obvious thing is luring a vote onto me so that the other scum can hammer.

And that's the problem with town-bell doing it. If he's town, his slot is inactive until replaced and meanwhile two scum are in the game and from town-his perspective I may not be one of them. And in fact from town-his perspective my play should be screaming town more and more with every post I've made. His join date isn't 2013, but he was playing on another account when I first joined the site. We have about 8 years of on-and-off play history that translates to about 4 years of playing together fairly frequently. His account back then was Remembrance.

Your not seeing how egregious the issue and still wanting to push me looks partnery. Probably the most untownlike push you've made all game.

I haven't done that reset and read yet, and this play makes me feel like it's probably not even needed.

In post 721, fferyllt wrote:Your not seeing how egregious the issue and still wanting to push me looks partnery. Probably the most untownlike push you've made all game.

I haven't done that reset and read yet, and this play makes me feel like it's probably not even needed.

I saw one scum make a play, and then saw their partner say "based on the play of the other scum, I think we should do X"

So in response, I said "maybe we shouldn't do exactly what the scum is suggesting we do."

Pretty sure that is the most town stance I could take in this situation

I was 99% sure you were scum (). Bell's play has eliminated the possibility of it being Ivy. So I am now 100% sure you are scum. So I don't particularly want to follow your advice on how to handle the day.