open 826; trist fall (over)

[Faker]

[Faker]

I'm so glad I got the pagetop with that

[MegAzumarill]

I was enjoying it, kind of wish it went on for longer but didn't want to slowroll

[Faker]

I'm going to go for a run. Maybe my tiny brain rattling against my skull like a gumball in a jar will shake my reads up a bit.

needed to run harder, damn

[Faker]

On the god-given offchance it's still going I'm pretty sure Pav is the scum, see Post 691 and Post 532

That said it's probably time for me to grab the clown makeup and start fitting the red nose on

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I was actually thinking about trusting every person other than meg in order to force my read through but I thought that might be too much of a bad manners move lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no guts no glory

this is the perfect ending either way

seriously this was fun faker

*hugs*

no hard feelings on my end

hope you r not mad I am like an overbearing asshole when I get super invested :<

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[skitter30]

Well then

I have *feelings* on this that i probably don't want to get into
But i'm personally not counting this as a real game that i played

But gj pooky, good reads

[Faker]

[Faker]

live look at myself and koba

[Faker]

I will take the L and gladly do the autopsy afterwards for how I managed to fuck up that badly but for now I'm just amused that all of that meta, effort, and thought went straight to losing the game in the fastest possible way.

[Faker]

I was actually thinking about trusting every person other than meg in order to force my read through but I thought that might be too much of a bad manners move lol

I thought heavily about doing this minus Pav but decided not to, instead only forcing through the read I was nearly 100% sure on, and instead not gamble on the others who were more ambiguous.

[skitter30]

I think in a setup like this fast-trusting like that strips the other players of their agency if they dont want it to end that quicklu

I suppose my frustration is partly on me, and i should avoid setups where i might not have any say in the outcome, but this was a frustrating experience

Koba plz dont rep into games that i'm in
Faker you basically did the same thing, and it was very frustrating go basically see you also strongarm the game into deciding what was going go happen today

Gg scum
(But i think this is still much more town losing than scum particularly winning)

[skitter30]

I will take the L and gladly do the autopsy afterwards for how I managed to fuck up that badly but for now I'm just amused that all of that meta, effort, and thought went straight to losing the game in the fastest possible way.

The thing is that other people may have actually wanted to play and not just take the L so that you can cavalierly tesf your own assumptions in functional elo

[Faker]

Don't get me wrong, I'm stupid as hell and Pooky deserves all the credit, but there's a huge difference in equivalency here and it is saddening to here you equate the two.

I put a ton of thought and time into that trust. While the onus is squarely on me for getting it wrong, I kept in mind that only a single player scumread the slot when making it. The intention was not to hero YOLO over the voices of the entire town.

[Faker]

This was literally your proposed pairing. It's not your fault that I decided to follow through with it and carry it out, but acting like I stripped you of any agency or denied you the chance to play is disingenuous.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it really just depends on the player list

this setup is very hard for scum if town doesn't have defectors who play noncollectively.

I think if you don't get fustrated at things outside your control it isn't that bad :3

I am just happy you finally townread me so i didn't have to pull out my skitter read jpg again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think even if you waited Meg probably still gets to leave so it didn't matter about the ultimate result.

Skitters complaint isnt about the outcome, just about the process - she didn't really get to play the game cuz it ended so fast.

[Faker]

I absolutely deserve full blame for being the one to trust the slot, and for the many times I risked eating crow.

Simultaneously, I think her voice is absolutely about the outcome and not about the process. That pairing was her suggested one, Meg was universally townread minus you, we all agreed with the concept of chain trusting. The entire point of "I will take the L" isn't that I was cavalierly disregarding the thoughts or agency of the game at large but that I won't seek to put blame on other players. I am not glad to lose, but I fully accept responsibility for it.

[Pavowski]

Daaaaamn. I was all getting set to defend myself to Faker and now it looks like game is over?

Sad face.

[Faker]

It's literally called "Trust Fall". You read a player, you talk about it, you grow in confidence, at some a town player risks it. This is not a majority vote game. You get dropped and proved a fucking moron.

I'm fine with that label of being wrong and a complete moron, but I don't think I disrespected the agency of any players or that I ignored the giant collective will. We had other players advocating for someone to YOLO trust them.

[skitter30]

it really just depends on the player list

this setup is very hard for scum if town doesn't have defectors who play noncollectively.

I think if you don't get fustrated at things outside your control it isn't that bad :3

I am just happy you finally townread me so i didn't have to pull out my skitter read jpg again :]

Yep, it doesnt really matter and i probably shouldnt be frustrated

And happy i got u rught this time!

Ad obviously the whole town cannot move in lockstep, and that's how scum wins, but i also think there ought to be *some* level of consensus when functionally hammertesting in the equivalent of elo, not just in the read itself but also in the willingness to end the day/game just then if wrong. Like it is pl dependant, but i'm talking abt the reactions this pl had to both

And my objection is 100% abt the process. I do think i was suggesting meg/faker, and that's wrong and fhat's fine. The issue is that i dont think that was the consensus, and i dont think most people were willing yo bet the game on that. I was not

[Pavowski]

Obviously y'all just like to blow games up while I'm at work, bummer!

[skitter30]

It's literally called "Trust Fall". You read a player, you talk about it, you grow in confidence, at some a town player risks it. This is not a majority vote game. You get dropped and proved a fucking moron.

I'm fine with that label of being wrong and a complete moron, but I don't think I disrespected the agency of any players or that I ignored the giant collective will. We had other players advocating for someone to YOLO trust them.

But this is fair too, i suppose i should avoid this setup in the future