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[Pan Smierc]

It was a meta read but it was like - > the lack of energy I saw vs their town game.


they lurked out so its irrelevant tho so im not really reading that slot based on cookie at all and think their play is NAI to me.

I think gamma's reluctance to engage the game upon replace in was very bad for gamma as it shows a want to say the Right thing instead of being Honest and i was suspecting them since then subtly and unvoted to give them a feeling of security so i could question him as I had done.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: StD
I actually like that LQ had the guts to vote Pan

I have evolved again. I would evolve into Quick as I evolved into LQ but this is more of a silent evolution.

VOTE: StD

[Save The Dragons]

you chuckleheads are all fucked

[Save The Dragons]

smh if no one can read pan simerc's bullshit deluge as scummy there's no hope for town

[LicketyQuickety]

smh if no one can read pan simerc's bullshit deluge as scummy there's no hope for town

Peace be with you. If you flip Town here, I'm for sure putting most of my energy into Elimming Pan here.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

You're either blind or Scum. Please pick the lesser of two evils.

[Pan Smierc]

summary of StD treatment of my slot: "ur scum ur scum ur scum ur scum everything u post is scum! i will never try to consider u town except 1 post where i pretend i will think about it and never do!"

my summary of StD treatment: "ok so StD feels really off in how they are trying to push through a policy elim and all that and just dont seem engaged on a level I think they are as town at this stage in the game. I will pressure them. Hm they reacted very strongly perhaps they are town in an off game I will take the foot off the gas and extend an olive branch, hopefully they will try to dialogue with me. Hmm i guess not but I have other scumreads and i can sort elsewhere so i will ignore for now.... m,mmm ok fuck this on reconsideration and the continued pattern of no depth I think this push is in bad faith and i dont want to keep being snowed by scum shitpushing me, let me break down the ways StD is not town and try to convince people of my point of view. ok no one is biting i will hop off to try to consolidate on Cool Cookie who i think is poe and i want to be pressured if they come back."

[Pan Smierc]

btw fully verifiable via reading ISOs, if I am wrong I will update but overall this is accurate to the best of my memory ^

[Pan Smierc]

which person do you think is trying to actually solve the game and which do you think is pushing an agenda?

[Pan Smierc]

btw ty for towntelling LQ bc it makes the game much easier to sort now with 1 more name taken out of the PoE

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

You're either blind or Scum. Please pick the lesser of two evils.

Who ever said I could see?
We still have the option to eliminate outside of us that have been discussing.
But I find you the scummiest of the 3 that are.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw fully verifiable via reading ISOs, if I am wrong I will update but overall this is accurate to the best of my memory ^

Okay no that’s not why StD is scum if he’s scum, LQ can back me up on that

[MegAzumarill]

which person do you think is trying to actually solve the game and which do you think is pushing an agenda?

LQ does not seem to be solving imo. They appeal to probability as their main source of why we should risk going to ELO between a D1 arguement of 2 players.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

You're either blind or Scum. Please pick the lesser of two evils.

Who ever said I could see?
We still have the option to eliminate outside of us that have been discussing.
But I find you the scummiest of the 3 that are.

Any reason for thinking I am Scum? Why do I feel like StD is Scum's one and only PR and you are Scum trying to push an Elim on me to get the heat off StD?

[Pan Smierc]

Save The Dragons - scum, uncharitable and very closed minded. I also believe there were some perspective slips(read: at least 1 that i saw) but thats something thats NAI at best without evidence but on a scumflip they absolutely betrayed their mindset and can be used for spew
Not_Mafia - not mafia
LicketyQuickety - towniest player thus far, if you know what to read for
Pan Smierc - actual towniest player but we arent ready to have that conversation yet
MegAzumarill - thought klick was very scummy and taking convenient stances. meg i cant read lmao
Egix96 - towny mf who is hella wrong early game everytime LMAO
Gamma Emerald - scummy, hesitant to make stances + the thing that stands out the most is the type of push they are making against LQ using a different player when gamma has recently actually played with LQ
T3 - fuck you be readable, but I have a special read on him that is contingent on circumstances and I will simply bin as "dont lim d1" here
ben dover123 - town. I dont think i need to explain really because theyre universal townread and ill save the reasoning in case i need it later
Enchant - moz matched their daystart town meta so we can bin this baby to d2 enchant i thought i can read before but recent games say No so yep.
DArby - town for reasons i cant discuss but tldr their thought process is towny

[Pan Smierc]

which person do you think is trying to actually solve the game and which do you think is pushing an agenda?

LQ does not seem to be solving imo. They appeal to probability as their main source of why we should risk going to ELO between a D1 arguement of 2 players.

is this unironically what you think LMFAO

[T3]

pan is town
and I'll sheep pan's darby read
and I'll sheep pan's gamma read
VOTE: gamma

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

You're either blind or Scum. Please pick the lesser of two evils.

Who ever said I could see?
We still have the option to eliminate outside of us that have been discussing.
But I find you the scummiest of the 3 that are.

Any reason for thinking I am Scum? Why do I feel like StD is Scum's one and only PR and you are Scum trying to push an Elim on me to get the heat off StD?

You want to use both of our potential mislims based on a social pattern of 2 players in isolation. I don't think thats a particularly Townie mindset.

[Pan Smierc]

i'll let LQ debunk it but like its very much provable that LQ's reasoning for StD isnt rooted in probability. i think their want to flip me on an StD townflip is a shit plan but thats just quick being quick and also i'm not so pressed abt it bc I believe StD flips scum so its not even remotely an issue

[Gamma Emerald]

Except Pan has a shit read rate on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I straight up don’t play to Pan’s rulebook

[LicketyQuickety]

btw fully verifiable via reading ISOs, if I am wrong I will update but overall this is accurate to the best of my memory ^

Okay no that’s not why StD is scum if he’s scum, LQ can back me up on that

I mean, I'm not going to say Pan's case on StD is wrong. But I do get what you are saying. I know it looks traditionally Scummy for me to "line up Elims" but I'm basing this data on tested results. I used to look at all the non SvS posts and narrow down teams from that. It worked for a while. But one of the patterns I picked up doing that is that when there are two players to have a huge back and forth with few interactions with other players it means usually one of them is Scum (usually the one with the fewer reactions between other players).

And that's why I think Pan/StD is TvS. But they both have things I can Scum read them for, which is an entirely different read altogether. Granted, Pan's reasons for being Scum are far more complicated and I would have a hard time explaining why, but I can say for StD that there push on Why was Scummy.

[Pan Smierc]

Except Pan has a shit read rate on me

not at all, when you choose to actually participate my readrate is good.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

You're either blind or Scum. Please pick the lesser of two evils.

Who ever said I could see?
We still have the option to eliminate outside of us that have been discussing.
But I find you the scummiest of the 3 that are.

Any reason for thinking I am Scum? Why do I feel like StD is Scum's one and only PR and you are Scum trying to push an Elim on me to get the heat off StD?

You want to use both of our potential mislims based on a social pattern of 2 players in isolation. I don't think thats a particularly Townie mindset.

I'm pushing what I think is right. I don't necessarily expect people to just follow me on it. Hell, pretty much no one actually sheeps me anyways. I'm just hoping I can make it to end game where I can mess Scum's stuff up. How do you know with 2 Elimms that puts us at Elo?