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Flavor Leaf [3]:

humaneatingmonkey [265], Roden [598], Not Known 15 [620]

koopashell [2]:

Scorpious [457], ItalianoVD [484]

Not Known 15 [1]:

JacksonVirgo [138]

ItalianoVD [1]:

KittyTacky [364]

Scorpious [1]:

koopashell [625]

humaneatingmonkey [1]:

Flavor Leaf [683]

Not voting [4]:

MalcolmTucker, Facebones, Saladman27, Malakittens [561]

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Replacing Saladman27. There's someone who asked to be on the replace list so they'll have priority for a few hours

please pay attention

here's FL's program

do scummy shit → get scumread → omgus and say the scummy shit was a ruse all along and you are caught! if not townread: townread them a little just to soften them up → if not townread anyway → call them scum again!

FL projects a lot, and signals himself as town a lot through mafia theory, and if you catch him casing someone, see through his past posts or what he's currently doing now and you will see — he's doing it himself!

see my iso for examples

In post 697, Roden wrote:

In post 688, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 685, Roden wrote:You want to be able to push whoever you want without any kind of confrontation in return.

Does anybody here truly believe that I dont want any confrontation?

Have you or have you not been dismissive of everyone who has been confrontational with you?

Idk if I’ve dismissed my confrontation with you, i feel I’ve been responding right back.

I’m just a slick, smooth talker.

In post 701, humaneatingmonkey wrote:please pay attention

here's FL's program

do scummy shit → get scumread → omgus and say the scummy shit was a ruse all along and you are caught! if not townread: townread them a little just to soften them up → if not townread anyway → call them scum again!

FL projects a lot, and signals himself as town a lot through mafia theory, and if you catch him casing someone, see through his past posts or what he's currently doing now and you will see — he's doing it himself!

see my iso for examples

Best way to play day 1

I like that you used program.

Tune in next week!


Generally there’s always that sentiment of “is it just me or is FL starting to make sense?”

As it goes on.

you are trying to pocket me!

amazing!

In post 689, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 685, Roden wrote:I'm just looking to see what's going on in your head but you're refusing to let anyone peek, instead you're shading anyone who tries to understand you.

what do you mean I'm refusing to let anyone peek? I feel my thoughts are essentially out there on almost every slot in the game. If anything, I'm giving more than the majority of the players in this game.

My read on you at the time was just that insignificant. Now you just wanted to make more out of it.

This is actually false. You've posted quite a bit and have given plenty of reads, but you've done very little to actually explain them. Many of your reads are shallow and have vague justifications like "I sense a scum bubble with X players" or "I think scum is shifting momentum". Like none of that actually tells us anything.

I don't believe that your read on me was meant to be insignificant. You made a point of trying to get people to latch onto it while you argued with HEM. But nobody followed your PoE solve and now you want to act like it can't be used to try to read or solve you.

Cases are scummy day 1.


I feel like my HEM read and case is particularly strong tbh

Both Koopa and Italian have agreed with understanding at one point.

I’m just the one negatively on your radar atm because I’m right in front of ya

Lol at you still trying to act like I said that Poe solve with you in it even though I said “this is most likely incorrect”

You’re gonna hear and see what you wanna at this point.

You’re pushing a “this is what town should do” vs a “this is what town actually do” kinda mentality and scum reading for the ladder because you don’t have anything else to go on.

y'all just dont like the steeze

In post 702, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 697, Roden wrote:

In post 688, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 685, Roden wrote:You want to be able to push whoever you want without any kind of confrontation in return.

Does anybody here truly believe that I dont want any confrontation?

Have you or have you not been dismissive of everyone who has been confrontational with you?

Idk if I’ve dismissed my confrontation with you, i feel I’ve been responding right back.

I’m just a slick, smooth talker.

Responding =/= engagement

By responding but choosing not to engage with what's being said, you're being dismissive and discrediting arguments against you without explaining how any of us are wrong.

I'm just having fun with y'all at this point.

I've explained why you wrong, just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it's not true.

You guys just saying a lot of nothing and repeating yourselves at this point.

I've also actively stated I dont believe you all to be scum, so you just choose what you wanna see.

It's probably exactly 1 of the 2 of you are scum. And the more I just let you guys ramble on a lotta nothing's, the more I get to read off of you. I'm just sitting back eating popcorn now.

In post 708, Flavor Leaf wrote:Lol at you still trying to act like I said that Poe solve with you in it even though I said “this is most likely incorrect”

You're just not reading if you genuinely think this is my beef with your posts

In post 709, Flavor Leaf wrote:You’re gonna hear and see what you wanna at this point.

You’re pushing a “this is what town should do” vs a “this is what town actually do” kinda mentality and scum reading for the ladder because you don’t have anything else to go on.

"I'm not dismissive"

Immediately dismisses me

Ok

I dont think semantic disagreements is going to be useful in sorting FL. Instead of being upset in how they are playing, ask yourselves: is this player an informed party? Is what they are doing reasonable from the point of view of being aware of the wolf team?

I see a lot of playstyle/personaliry clashing going on right now and that isn't useful.

In post 697, Roden wrote:

In post 688, Flavor Leaf wrote:

In post 685, Roden wrote:You want to be able to push whoever you want without any kind of confrontation in return.

Does anybody here truly believe that I dont want any confrontation?

Have you or have you not been dismissive of everyone who has been confrontational with you?

You brought up being dismissive of everyone who has been confrontational with me.

You bringing up instances of dismissal is not the same thing is being constantly dismissal.

For instance, this is not a dismissal post. The last one was.

You are actively picking and choosing, something I have already stated with you.

This is either you as scum actively trying to misrep and discredit or it's you as town who has their own self tunnel/selective reading issue to deal with.

I've answered essentially everything, you just dont like the answer. That is absolutely not my problem at this point, I'll continue playing the game, and responding doing what I can to help people see I'm town, which will include looking for town and scum alike and creating instances for people to be able to read me and others off of.

so one of you two is scum, but not the one you have a particularly strong case about

i wonder what your intentions are

prediction: the last one on the wagon gets a townread!

i mean the one who leaves

but you know what im talking about

In post 717, koopashell wrote:I dont think semantic disagreements is going to be useful in sorting FL. Instead of being upset in how they are playing, ask yourselves: is this player an informed party? Is what they are doing reasonable from the point of view of being aware of the wolf team?

I see a lot of playstyle/personaliry clashing going on right now and that isn't useful.

I disagree that Roden vs FL hasn't been useful.

I think there's actually a lot to read Roden and myself from it, including looking at how Roden's thought process is working from it.

Like are they being purposefully obtuse with their push and careful wording or are they just in a tunnel based on seeing what they feel were negative reads on them and not knowing how to take a slight lean scum read early in the game personally.

This doesnt have to be answered immediately, but the question posed is actively useful in the game.

I genuinely don't think someone with a reputation like FL simply easily gets pressure from half the playerlist as an informed party - especially since there is no need to as there was no other person really under pressure beforehand.
While it would be nice for FL to explain in more detail their progession, it seems they are a person who struggles to do that naturally and they dont know how to say that.
That's personally my take on the matter right now. I am in no means married to this position but at the moment it makes no sense for FL to play this way from an informed point of view.

In post 717, koopashell wrote:I dont think semantic disagreements is going to be useful in sorting FL. Instead of being upset in how they are playing, ask yourselves: is this player an informed party? Is what they are doing reasonable from the point of view of being aware of the wolf team?

I see a lot of playstyle/personaliry clashing going on right now and that isn't useful.

it's only being made semantic by FL. pay attention.

In post 719, humaneatingmonkey wrote:so one of you two is scum, but not the one you have a particularly strong case about

i wonder what your intentions are

prediction: the last one on the wagon gets a townread!

what do you mean? I'm voting you, and actively talking about how Roden can be coming from a town pov.

Note yet another misrep angle by Human.