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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:14 am
by Taly
In post 6998, Taly wrote:
In post 6983, Taly wrote:I want people to justify their
Ceph
townread.
I still want this addressed. I'm failing to see the town perspective from
Ceph's
play here and a no elimination will resolve very little, and indirectly posits that
Ceph
is town.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:16 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
you can read from the part where STD declares the gladiate why i think ceph/you is t/t

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:17 am
by Lukewarm
In post 6929, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 6927, MathBlade wrote:@Dunn @Pooky what mech arguments are being made for Cephrir/Taly?
dunn hasnt done enough anti town shit today he's trying to gaslight me into thinking that yeeting taly!town is protown because he's happy to lose
I feel like I keep seeing posts from pooky and drap that act like my own view point is somehow invalid, or impossible for town to have. Which makes me completely disregard their arguments tbh.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:17 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 7002, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 6929, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 6927, MathBlade wrote:@Dunn @Pooky what mech arguments are being made for Cephrir/Taly?
dunn hasnt done enough anti town shit today he's trying to gaslight me into thinking that yeeting taly!town is protown because he's happy to lose
I feel like I keep seeing posts from pooky and drap that act like my own view point is somehow invalid, or impossible for town to have. Which makes me completely disregard their arguments tbh.
same

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:18 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i think you're town I just think you're wrong

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:20 am
by Lukewarm
In post 6947, Dwlee99 wrote:I see frogster claimed role cop? So we kill them right?
I expect to see multiple back to back all caps posts from frog about how this post confirms dwlee as scum now before I finish catching up.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:20 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 6616, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 6613, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 6608, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i think Frogster spewed Taly/Ceph both town
How is Ceph spewed town?
cuz frogster is scum and his initial reaction to gladiate was to "sleep on the choice" which means he's thinking about which townflip puts him in a better position tommorrow.
@Taly, this is Pooky’s theory. But I think you will very likely die if we don’t no lim. :/

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:23 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 7005, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 6947, Dwlee99 wrote:I see frogster claimed role cop? So we kill them right?
I expect to see multiple back to back all caps posts from frog about how this post confirms dwlee as scum now before I finish catching up.
Dwlee’s town. And if people listen to my trs, we can avoid helping scum achieve their wincon.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:23 am
by Lukewarm
In post 6962, Off The Hook wrote:I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE
I believe the counter argument that j presented was:

"I am more sure on ceph town, AND we have to yeet someone"

It's a two parter

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:24 am
by Lukewarm
In post 7007, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 7005, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 6947, Dwlee99 wrote:I see frogster claimed role cop? So we kill them right?
I expect to see multiple back to back all caps posts from frog about how this post confirms dwlee as scum now before I finish catching up.
Dwlee’s town. And if people listen to my trs, we can avoid helping scum achieve their wincon.
I am aware that dwlee is town.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:24 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
we don't have to yeet anyone no yeet is a valid vote choice

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:25 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 7010, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:we don't have to yeet anyone no yeet is a valid vote choice
+1

Tomorrow we can actually try to find scum the democratic way.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:26 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 7008, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 6962, Off The Hook wrote:I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE
I believe the counter argument that j presented was:

"I am more sure on ceph town, AND we have to yeet someone"

It's a two parter
No we don’t, STD already said so.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:29 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 6951, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 6939, Dunnstral wrote:I never said I wanted to eliminate town... you are projecting your own reads onto me
In post 6887, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah it is fair to say this game is very long. That is why the gladiate is pro-town; you are instead arguing that the game should have gone on even longer



Your argument is that the gladiate is protown because it makes the game shorter.

gladiates only make games shorter if they land on scum and get scum eliminated.

unless you are making the point that it's protown to make the game shorter by eliminating town.

the only thing that makes games shorter is to eliminate the scum.
+1

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:33 am
by Lukewarm
In post 6814, Taly wrote:
In post 6751, Cephrir wrote:
In post 6676, Lukewarm wrote:There is a lot of math and scenarios on why KILLING YOURSELF is better then killing no one.

One example is that It affects how many protective have to land before the town is bought a miselim.

Like, right now a doctor saving one (1) player = an extra town miselim. If we no kill, then a doctor would have to save two (2) players to = an extra town miselim.

But also, info for looking back.
I agree with this and would rather selfvote than allow no lim to happen
i share the same opinion.
Both players on the chopping black have said that they would rather self vote then allow a no elim to happen.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:34 am
by Lukewarm
In post 7012, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 7008, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 6962, Off The Hook wrote:I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE
I believe the counter argument that j presented was:

"I am more sure on ceph town, AND we have to yeet someone"

It's a two parter
No we don’t, STD already said so.
I am aware that, mechanically, no elim is an option.

I am also of the opinion that we have to elim someone here.

You can stop quoting me to tell me I am wrong every time that I say it. I have seen it.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:35 am
by Enchant
For combo we need Day 2 ended by Taly/Ceph elimination anyway.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:36 am
by Dancing Puppets
I don't like no lim but I'm deferring to Nancy. Nancy's present and engaged. I'm distracted. We'll follow her unless shevbecomes wrong.

VOTE: no lim

~Titus

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:36 am
by Cephrir
In post 6768, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 6761, Cephrir wrote:Fwiw if I were to make the decision alone I would have picked mathblade
So why didn’t you? I wouldn’t be feeling so demoralized by losing one of my strongest trs.
Low confidence in my reads so I wanted some help. Some of the players i asked are better scumhunters than me

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:41 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 7015, Lukewarm wrote:You can stop quoting me to tell me I am wrong every time that I say it. I have seen it.
if it's ok for you to post that you're right

it's ok for her to post that you're wrong

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:41 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 7014, Lukewarm wrote:Both players on the chopping black have said that they would rather self vote then allow a no elim to happen.

they have their vote I have mine

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:41 am
by Rad
In post 7000, Taly wrote:
In post 6998, Taly wrote:
In post 6983, Taly wrote:I want people to justify their
Ceph
townread.
I still want this addressed. I'm failing to see the town perspective from
Ceph's
play here and a no elimination will resolve very little, and indirectly posits that
Ceph
is town.
Sure I'll answer your question.

I believe a town!Ceph recognized the game state was terrible for town. We're just spinning our wheels constantly in different directions with no real cohesion. We've got PRs announcing left and right and surely more to come with more new wagons. Many people were openly stating how long d1 is dragging on and how they hated it. Most people are stating that the game is too fast and they can't keep up, so most people aren't even reading the entire thread at this point and just coming to conclusions anyway because if they don't, people scum read them for it. So many people are being toxic as fuck and shouting at each other making no real progress on anything. I think town!Ceph decided enough was enough and got his top town reads to decide who should be eliminated and made his move.

Or a scum!Ceph I guess could be diverting attention from a frog or mala vote by putting himself in the crossfire and hoping we all come to the town!Ceph conclusion?

I gotta lean toward the more straight forward answer of town!Ceph.

That said, again, I'll vote ceph over taly here if I choose to vote because an any alignment ceph flip at least heals town and a town!Taly flip absolutely destroys it. I don't think we see a scum flip in either of the 2 options so I'd only go for that if I conclude that it's just the smarter town move due to "stats/theory reasons", or if I convince myself that this town needs a ceph flip to progress.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:42 am
by Lukewarm
In post 6186, Cephrir wrote:pooky on a scale from 1-10 how beneficial to town wincon would it be for this day to end asap

tbone, luke, csf & dp if you happen to be around, same q
In post 6196, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 6186, Cephrir wrote:pooky on a scale from 1-10 how beneficial to town wincon would it be for this day to end asap

tbone, luke, csf & dp if you happen to be around, same q
Probably an 11 for my continued enjoyment of the game. Desire to actually be here is plummeting fast.

Probably like, a 7 for actual town win con? This day has reached critical mass to where no one at any point is going to want to look back at it when we have flips, and the longer it gets the more info will be ignored.
The way that Ceph approached using his ability felt very town motivated to me.

Like, the way he was thinking at the time was entirely aligned with how I was feeling. And I generally feel like scum would care a lot less about the day dragging on.

I also liked that he asked, responded to multiple people, and worked up to the decision. It felt pretty organic. And if he was scum, he would have already decided that he was doing it. So the progression looking right and natural makes me think that it was coming from town

Doing the straw poll on hist target also felt very +town for him. Because as scum, that would mean he either added a scum buddy to the list, and left it to the masses if there was going to be a scum/scum gladiate, or he did it in a way that would leave 3 different, on average lower read players spewed town.

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I do not think that this is the way that scum would have utilized a gladiate.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:44 am
by Lukewarm
In post 7019, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 7015, Lukewarm wrote:You can stop quoting me to tell me I am wrong every time that I say it. I have seen it.
if it's ok for you to post that you're right

it's ok for her to post that you're wrong
I felt like her intent was to make sure that I knew. I was telling her that I knew.

If her intent was to tell other people, she is welcome to keep going I guess.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:50 am
by Lukewarm
In post 6928, Off The Hook wrote:
In post 6919, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:and one last thing

I do not care how fucking long this game takes

I care about killing scum

because killing scum is the only fucking way to end this game

so saying shit like OH ITS GOOD THAT WE R GOING TO ELIMINATE TOWN AND FINALLY END THE DAY

is fucking ass backwards because eliminating town does not make the game shorter it just means we start all over again tommorrow with the same number of fucking scum to eliminate
100% this
My scum team was on the ropes for like 90% of D1 in NQN2 but we managed to get off a miselim on Toog bcuz people just wanted to end the day.

~GE
It is my opinion that this is a very good argument on why it is anti-town for days to be allowed to drag on and on.