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In post 7020, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why are you scum reading CF, though?

See previous post about why the timing and arrogance surrounding the miller CC make me queasy.
I dislike that he spent all of D1/2 shoving a 3 way connection case, just to defer to Appealing to Authority after mastin flipped town in order to justify scumreading me still. It looks opportunistic and does not look like someone whose world was rocked by having his top 2 scumreads that he was EXTREMELY CONFIDENT about flip town.
I dislike his posts to Tammy at the start of D3. I will be honest. I have reservations about calling BRO's rage fake, but not the case here. Example:

In post 5121, CarbonFiber wrote:I KNEW IT. YOU WERE SETTING ME UP WITH MASTIN BEIONG TIWN OI CANT PTYUEPOE ATGF AT FTYPE PROPERLYT

^ Are you kidding me? He is arguing that he can't type properly? Im not buying that shit. In fact the first 50% of this post shows evidence to the contrary.

In post 5122, CarbonFiber wrote:Fuck you tammy, fcuky you fuck you fuck you fuck you

I dont even know what to say. But the absolute certainty here which 180s at the drop of a hat is baffling. And I dont get how on earth he thinks hes being setup in the first place. Town aligned players generally take responsibility for their misplays because they have some sense of accountability. Instead of owning up to shoving mastin incorrectly, we get this ridiculous sideshow in which he implies that the mastin lynch was setup by Tammy?? despite him spending all of D2 talking about how scummy mastin was, how mastin was scum with RBD, and how mastin was scum with me in an effort to convince Stalin/Tammy to lynch mastin. On top of all that he has at at least on juncutre called you scum for not voting mastin despite pushing her, even though he is guilty of precisely that AND also trying to push the mastin lynch off on Tammy for HAMMERING AT DEADLINE.

In post 5124, CarbonFiber wrote:should have listened to Muffin and Nati when they said you were scujm.

Oh look more appealing to authority of dead players that he aggressively mislynched. Thats not getting old.

In post 5129, CarbonFiber wrote:She just gave me a heart attack. I can't tye rught noe,. I need to go use the restroom. I'll calm down and talk aboyt ut more in a little bnit

Once again oscillating between being able to type and just smashing his face into his keyboard. IDGI. I find it hilarious that the onlysentences he cant actually type are the ones where he is stating that he is incapable of typing.

It just looks fake. This little freak out spends as much time talking about how he is physically incapable of typing as it does typing (correctly!) about how Tammy is confirmed scum for voting the lynch that he was shoving literally all game.

And the end of all of this panic attack? He and Tammy make up and its back to Tammy being confirmed town. It just doesn't look like someone who is playing this game without knowing everyones alignments, does it to you?? It looks melodramatic. This, the goalpost moving behind the RBD/mastin/me cases, the pinning the mastin lynch on other people when it was largely him, the miller CC circumstances..

Just to be an ass: The CONTEXT of the miller CC is what makes me dislike it and its scummy of JSU/CF to ignore the context. The context of course being that he
1) withheld what he personally views as a GUILTY RESULT on someone until way late on in the Day. No reason for town to sit on its thumbs when thye are 100% convinced they have role related reasons for thinking someone is confscum
2) did not stop to consider that he could be wrong. Just kept shoving the case despite all of his townreads (and everyone) telling him it wasnt a good reason for a vote.

In post 6793, PeregrineV wrote:Summary anyone?

I have a cop guilty on you, how do you plead?

In post 6303, CarbonFiber wrote:As for AP: fuck all the role confirmations. MASTIN said you are scum.

Can I just state for the congregation how much this post makes me upset?

SO UPSET IN FACT, iM' so angrEyf ic ant's evne tpye

In post 6999, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 6902, CarbonFiber wrote:AP is making logically sound statements while ignoring the context. Something that makes sense for good scum to do. He's right that it is theoretically possible for scum-BRO to have a meltdown but is ignoring that the overall circumstances point to it being much more likely town.

Oh ffs. I haven't read that since it happened. The context isn't going to make one bit of difference in my opinion. BRO wanted to lynch RBD, he got votes, shit happened.

The fact that he 'wanted to lynch RBD so bad' is YOUR point for why this must be from town and TBH its pretty unrelated to the whole incident. I was tunneling on Grimgroove in Legends of the Hidden Temple and when I got wagoned I was having a shitty day and flipped out at everyone just flat out. And people called me town for it. Im not saying its a direct comparison, but your point is bad and you calling me scum for ignoring something irrelevant is terrible.

You agreed that it felt real here initially. What changed your mind?

In post 6999, AngryPidgeon wrote:Secondly, Tammy has said that she agrees with me on this stance but you are chosing to argue with me/call me scum instead of doing the same to Tammy over this. That is selective and shows you are trying to tread lightly around Tammy because your alliance with her is so fragile. Thats not town motivated.

I don't have an "alliance" with Tammy, she thinks I am probably scum at this point and isn't listening to me so no idea what you are talking about. I'm not accusing her of being scum because I am confident in my townread. I feel that you changed your mind from BRO-town to BRO-scum because of her read. Your and Tammy's reads are not exactly the same.

In post 7025, AngryPidgeon wrote:I dislike that he spent all of D1/2 shoving a 3 way connection case, just to defer to Appealing to Authority after mastin flipped town in order to justify scumreading me still. It looks opportunistic and does not look like someone whose world was rocked by having his top 2 scumreads that he was EXTREMELY CONFIDENT about flip town.

Except Mastin said with his dying breath that you were scum and his townflip made me suspect you more. I initially considered that you were scum together but also wondered if he was town and you were scum at some points.

In post 7025, AngryPidgeon wrote:I dont even know what to say. But the absolute certainty here which 180s at the drop of a hat is baffling. And I dont get how on earth he thinks hes being setup in the first place.

I explained this in my massive read wall about the flow of my read on Tammy.

In post 7025, AngryPidgeon wrote:Town aligned players generally take responsibility for their misplays because they have some sense of accountability. Instead of owning up to shoving mastin incorrectly, we get this ridiculous sideshow in which he implies that the mastin lynch was setup by Tammy?? despite him spending all of D2 talking about how scummy mastin was, how mastin was scum with RBD, and how mastin was scum with me in an effort to convince Stalin/Tammy to lynch mastin. On top of all that he has at at least on juncutre called you scum for not voting mastin despite pushing her, even though he is guilty of precisely that AND also trying to push the mastin lynch off on Tammy for HAMMERING AT DEADLINE.

1) I did own up to being wrong about Mastin which is more than most others can say.
2) There was no alternative - nobody provided any sort of alternative or did much to figure the game out.
3) I didn't call Nacho scum for voting Mastin. I explained it to you in my wall.

In post 7025, AngryPidgeon wrote:about how Tammy is confirmed scum for voting the lynch that he was shoving literally all game.

Also explained here. I won't even get into the typing thing, that's just ridiculous.

In post 7025, AngryPidgeon wrote:Just to be an ass: The CONTEXT of the miller CC is what makes me dislike it and its scummy of JSU/CF to ignore the context. The context of course being that he
1) withheld what he personally views as a GUILTY RESULT on someone until way late on in the Day. No reason for town to sit on its thumbs when thye are 100% convinced they have role related reasons for thinking someone is confscum
2) did not stop to consider that he could be wrong. Just kept shoving the case despite all of his townreads (and everyone) telling him it wasnt a good reason for a vote.

1) I was happy with wagoning Mastin earlier in the day. We assumed that RBD would gladiate JSU and lock themselves into a lynch of either them or JSU. Then, we'd counterclaim them. (This was explained already)
2) It was a good reason for a vote. They were all wrong. There aren't two millers in the game. The playerslot I was pushing were fake-claiming my role.

In post 7029, CarbonFiber wrote:Except Mastin said with his dying breath that you were scum and his townflip made me suspect you more. I initially considered that you were scum together but also wondered if he was town and you were scum at some points.

I don't really see why this would be a change, she said it with every other breath too. She also called basically every player in the game both town and scum (hi).

The playerslot I was pushing were fake-claiming my role.

This still isn't logic, there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched.

In post 7030, The Fox and the Hound wrote:

In post 7029, CarbonFiber wrote:Except Mastin said with his dying breath that you were scum and his townflip made me suspect you more. I initially considered that you were scum together but also wondered if he was town and you were scum at some points.

I don't really see why this would be a change, she said it with every other breath too. She also called basically every player in the game both town and scum (hi).

The playerslot I was pushing were fake-claiming my role.

This still isn't logic, there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched.

1) Isn't it obvious? Because Mastin and AP know each other really well and I'll take a scumread from Mastin onto AP into consideration when Mastin is town.
2) It is.

Also, your stance on this issue is scummy.

Well, your opinion is of decreasing relevance to my interests.

Because I called you scummy?

No, I've been viewing you as more and more crazy as the game has progressed. I might take your opinions more into account if you stopped bouncing off the damn walls.

Your response felt scummy because you are commenting on stuff that should be incredibly obvious. X knows Y very well, X died and flipped town and called Y scum. So, I take X's opinion into consideration. I don't get why you are acting like it is really far-fetched logic that you can't understand.

Secondly, there are several things in AP's post that are factually wrong. For example, saying that I called Nacho scum for not voting. I didn't. Saying that appeal to authority is scummy (it isn't). The fact that you didn't comment on anything or correct him shows you are either positioning yourself to scumread me by commenting negatively on my posts. Because you would either a) not comment at all and let it play out, or b) call out something that is blatantly wrong and don't mind inserting yourself into arguments.

The fact that you doing it selectively feels like you are not actually scumhunting.

In post 7034, The Fox and the Hound wrote:No, I've been viewing you as more and more crazy as the game has progressed. I might take your opinions more into account if you stopped bouncing off the damn walls.

Right?? Its like the opinions have stayed the same but the justifications have just gotten more and more ridiculous.

Please actually be town and not just buddying me blatantly.

In post 7034, The Fox and the Hound wrote:No, I've been viewing you as more and more crazy as the game has progressed. I might take your opinions more into account if you stopped bouncing off the damn walls.

This feels like a massive discredit because I pushed you and DV earlier. Your reaction was just bad. You and RG were two of the slots I was unsure on and so interacted with both of you to try and sort you.

NotScience responded wonderfully. He addressed my concerns about his slot, explained Brian's reads, explained his other reads when asked and in general was incredibly transparent. You and DV on the other hand, scumread me for scumhunting you, throw in discredits, and try to position yourself against me. If you are town, I don't even know what to say.

In post 7035, CarbonFiber wrote:Your response felt scummy because you are commenting on stuff that should be incredibly obvious. X knows Y very well, X died and flipped town and called Y scum. So, I take X's opinion into consideration. I don't get why you are acting like it is really far-fetched logic that you can't understand.

I guess it's just that I never see anyone actually doing this

In post 7035, CarbonFiber wrote:Secondly, there are several things in AP's post that are factually wrong. For example, saying that I called Nacho scum for not voting. I didn't. Saying that appeal to authority is scummy (it isn't). The fact that you didn't comment on anything or correct him shows you are either positioning yourself to scumread me by commenting negatively on my posts. Because you would either a) not comment at all and let it play out, or b) call out something that is blatantly wrong and don't mind inserting yourself into arguments.

The fact that you doing it selectively feels like you are not actually scumhunting.

You're assuming I have a clue. I wander into people's arguments all the time. I'd think the "let's wait and see what happens" approach is more one I'd take as scum.

You keep doing this thing where you attribute plans and trajectories to my posts. Like, "Ceph must be hating on this post because he plans on scumreading me later". I don't really work that way.

Also, Tammy when you get around to reading this game, please, please explain to me why the fuck you are ignoring scummy players like AP and Fox to tunnel on the most townish player in the game.

In post 7037, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 7034, The Fox and the Hound wrote:No, I've been viewing you as more and more crazy as the game has progressed. I might take your opinions more into account if you stopped bouncing off the damn walls.

This feels like a massive discredit because I pushed you and DV earlier. Your reaction was just bad. You and RG were two of the slots I was unsure on and so interacted with both of you to try and sort you.

NotScience responded wonderfully. He addressed my concerns about his slot, explained Brian's reads, explained his other reads when asked and in general was incredibly transparent. You and DV on the other hand, scumread me for scumhunting you, throw in discredits, and try to position yourself against me. If you are town, I don't even know what to say.

It is a massive discredit. I think everything you're currently saying needs to be taken with a grain of salt if we don't want to drive our paranoia bus into the ground.

I can try to explain our shitty reads if that would make you feel better? If we're not being transparent in any way it's because we have no idea what is going on.
I can't really comment on DV's responses to you intelligently seeing as I didn't make them, but I feel like that conversation pretty much happened and everyone else can take from it what they will.

In post 7038, The Fox and the Hound wrote:

In post 7035, CarbonFiber wrote:Your response felt scummy because you are commenting on stuff that should be incredibly obvious. X knows Y very well, X died and flipped town and called Y scum. So, I take X's opinion into consideration. I don't get why you are acting like it is really far-fetched logic that you can't understand.

I guess it's just that I never see anyone actually doing this

Really? That's quite odd. You saw me in NY169 taking the opinions of dead players into account to various extents.

In post 7038, The Fox and the Hound wrote:

In post 7035, CarbonFiber wrote:Secondly, there are several things in AP's post that are factually wrong. For example, saying that I called Nacho scum for not voting. I didn't. Saying that appeal to authority is scummy (it isn't). The fact that you didn't comment on anything or correct him shows you are either positioning yourself to scumread me by commenting negatively on my posts. Because you would either a) not comment at all and let it play out, or b) call out something that is blatantly wrong and don't mind inserting yourself into arguments.

The fact that you doing it selectively feels like you are not actually scumhunting.

You're assuming I have a clue. I wander into people's arguments all the time. I'd think the "let's wait and see what happens" approach is more one I'd take as scum.

You keep doing this thing where you attribute plans and trajectories to my posts. Like, "Ceph must be hating on this post because he plans on scumreading me later". I don't really work that way.

It is kinda hard to figure out your thought process when you respond with "I have no idea what I am doing and aimlessly wandering into arguments." It feels disarming. But it still relieves you of responsibility.

I still can't get over how many hoops you're jumping through to make AP scum. This is something that continually bugs me.

re 169: I stopped following that game. Perhaps you did.

My lack of clue about this game and wandering into arguemnts are uncorrelated. I do the latter constantly and usually get scumreads for it. Ffery could testify to this if she was still here.

In post 7040, The Fox and the Hound wrote:It is a massive discredit. I think everything you're currently saying needs to be taken with a grain of salt if we don't want to drive our paranoia bus into the ground.

This applies to every player in the game and is implied when playing mafia.

But, you trying to dismiss my suspicion of you as crazy doesn't bode well. And of course people should take any player's suspicion of another with a grain of salt but stating that as opposed to addressing said suspicion.

If my objective was to discredit all points made on any front by every player who was scumreading us don't you think I'd have done it to anyone but you

It's almost like I'm describing my true intentions or something!

But, you trying to dismiss my suspicion of you as crazy doesn't bode well.

I don't care for the insinuation that I'm not also concerned about your other things

In post 7042, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I still can't get over how many hoops you're jumping through to make AP scum. This is something that continually bugs me.

Why it make you suspicious that AP is jumping through a bunch of hoops to paint me as scum?

Instead of telling me two millers are unlikely, you should be telling AP that godfathers exist in the game. It is your take on the argument that I find scummy. If feel like you are spending time refuting the arguments of people you are positioning to scumread instead of looking at it objectively and then falling back on a "I have no idea what I am doing."

In any case, I kinda give up on following your thought process especially after NY169. I don't even know if it comes from scum or just someone wandering aimlessly and I'll wait for DV's analysis and content before trying to read your slot.

In post 7000, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 6921, Titan wrote:They're going to fake a guilty tomorrow in lylo. It's fucking obvious.

is this the part where i get to flip my shit and yell at you for not reading our posts?

our role can't catch scum. i've said this multiple times already. how did you come to the conclusion that we were going to fake a guilty tomorrow?

like, these posts exist:

In post 6244, Just Sheep Us wrote:NEITHER COP CAN ACTUALLY CATCH SCUM, DIPSHITS

HOLY CHRIST

In post 6387, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 6380, Titan wrote:Is there someone else who went oh tammy you're right maybe all the investigative claims do sound odd? Because all I remember is katsuki bringing up too many investigative roles and me saying no else commented because no one here cares.

What is your problem by the way?

yes, falcon did. he already told you like 10 posts ago that he, too, was erroneously questioning the existence of multiple investigative roles that can't catch scum by design

After the game you and cabd can laugh at me misunderstanding someone else's role/still believing you're going to claim failed to help get a mislynch in lylo.

In post 7039, CarbonFiber wrote:Also, Tammy when you get around to reading this game, please, please explain to me why the fuck you are ignoring scummy players like AP and Fox to tunnel on the most townish player in the game.

I'm not ignoring anyone. I'm not tunneling the most townish player in the game; I'm the only person I think is town!

And you can't tunnel when you think the entire player list is some shade of scum. Like seriously.

In post 7030, The Fox and the Hound wrote:This still isn't logic, there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched.

i'd like everyone to take a moment and consider why there would need to be multiple millers when neither claimed cop role can catch scum as it is. if there were multiple replicas in the game, our role would fail against at least 6/16 players in the game + all the roleblocking shenanigans, moving it past the point of kinda shitty into totally and completely useless.