Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

Further espe thoughts:

The lack of kill N1 was caused by either RCE or math being the NK target, or RCE being the killer. First 2 are more unlikely then the latter.

A bit of a repeat, but espe is explicit in this.

Espe directly @math: GET OFF YOUR SETUP TUNNEL AND LOOK BACK TO N1

@espe Please look at my vote and what I am asking for?

Yeah that’s right RCE

You may disagree with how I got there but I am on RCE. Far as I am concerned my or RCE’s lynch are the only ones that move the game forward.

If RCE is town then we know RCE or I was shot (May have to mislynch me to prove that) then in that case listen to where RCE and I had similar reads day one as one of us would be shot

If RCE is scum then RCE scum team tried to shoot RC is likely the answer as I already stated the possible worlds.

Like I will take halfway to where I am at like then I know I make some sense

[MathBlade]

or that they were prevented by being alien'd or something

there's no reason to think at this point that you were the one they tried to kill n1 and basing other scumreads on that and a bunch of other wild assumptions seems really bizarre

Then that’s why my vote is on RCE.

If RCE is town then one of me or RCE was shot making our d1 reads good.

I just think the most logical explanation is scum!RCE was jailkept rather than me being right day one

I gotta go

@espe Please like continue how I don’t make sense here and then just literally take my argument.

That is irritating as fuck

[Iconeum]

yo math if you are actually town, you will have to acknowledge at some point you were really not making a lot of sense lol

[Iconeum]

@espe Please like continue how I don’t make sense here and then just literally take my argument.That is irritating as fuck

math, espe means you no harm. It's not about your RCE vote which is literally the ONLY thing you are making sense of this day.

[MathBlade]

If scum have to decide a NK between you or RC, occam razor suggests scum tried RC n1.

Which implicates you as scum :s

Well I know scum didn't try RC night one. Which is why I'm still hesitant to call math as scum. Fmpov the only two scenarios are I was targeted, which means nothing for maths alignment.

Or math was the target and there are two potential clears from that.

And how would you know what scum did and didn’t try?

Pedit: Ico I don’t make sense as town
But sometimes I still get the right answer.

I try to cater to other people as town and try to speak in their language and it works on other sites
Here it’s moon logic and frustrating

[Iconeum]

It's about your traitor thoughts, your setup spec, your turn on me, your being drained despite your nemesis being Nk'd and having a scumflip etc

those things all make no sense

can you at least understand that ?

[MathBlade]

It's about your traitor thoughts, your setup spec, your turn on me, your being drained despite your nemesis being Nk'd and having a scumflip etc

those things all make no sense

can you at least understand that ?

No.

I am an Aspie

I literally have a limited bank and does not recharge like a normal person.

It’s literally painful to do some things that RC requested and a day off doesn’t fix that
Closer to win con doesn’t fix it

Think of it like a piggy bank
RC being RC and his way or highway -500
Getting scum flip +100

I am still negative 400 where as those numbers are different for others

[MathBlade]

The other stuff is literally disagree on setup spec

Which Mafiascum is known for townsided shit soooo *shrug*

[MathBlade]

I’d rather focus on prob scum RCE than where we disagree on spec because however many people agree from the same deluded idea of balance that doesn’t carry over to other sites will just drag the game down

Does it really matter if we nail scum?

[RCEnigma]

Ughh this is a tough spot because like. I don't really want to tooth and nail fight my lynch, I know I'm a liability in lylo by virtue of being aliened on a nk night.

But we also only have 2 mislynches and I would take 1 of those away. The nks are already likely just Bella and Ico so no info to be gained and I don't feel my flip makes anyone's alignment any clearer.

After I flip the bulk of the conversation is going to repeat because it doesn't solve if I was the save or not. Shos/Xtoxm still has to be resolved. Math/Ari likely needs to be resolved and that only clears alignment 1 way I think. And if math is Town here with a save on him there is still a real possibility he gets lynched after I do and that puts town in a hole.

In that case, shos/Xtoxm isn't approached until Mylo and it's a do or die decision that absolutely has to hit scum.

[MathBlade]

Ughh this is a tough spot because like. I don't really want to tooth and nail fight my lynch, I know I'm a liability in lylo by virtue of being aliened on a nk night.

But we also only have 2 mislynches and I would take 1 of those away. The nks are already likely just Bella and Ico so no info to be gained and I don't feel my flip makes anyone's alignment any clearer.

After I flip the bulk of the conversation is going to repeat because it doesn't solve if I was the save or not. Shos/Xtoxm still has to be resolved. Math/Ari likely needs to be resolved and that only clears alignment 1 way I think. And if math is Town here with a save on him there is still a real possibility he gets lynched after I do and that puts town in a hole.

In that case, shos/Xtoxm isn't approached until Mylo and it's a do or die decision that absolutely has to hit scum.

If that world happens lynch shos every time
Xtomx would be lynch bait

I doubt that happens though

[RCEnigma]

I’d rather focus on prob scum RCE than where we disagree on spec because however many people agree from the same deluded idea of balance that doesn’t carry over to other sites will just drag the game down

Does it really matter if we nail scum?

It does, we have 2 mislynches and that's it.

[MathBlade]

I’d rather focus on prob scum RCE than where we disagree on spec because however many people agree from the same deluded idea of balance that doesn’t carry over to other sites will just drag the game down

Does it really matter if we nail scum?

It does, we have 2 mislynches and that's it.

You realize you have to go. Before Lylo.

Now I wonder why if you’re town you’re not questioning why Bella didn’t demand your lynch D2?

No you gave up because you’re scum

[Iconeum]

ok let's assume we lynch RCE and that flips scum

who's the third?

[MathBlade]

ok let's assume we lynch RCE and that flips scum

who's the third?

If we go with Mafiascum “balance” Skitter or a deep wolf or shos

I don’t see a lurker scum here and I don’t trust my d1 when I was disagreeing with Titus enough to see a shos/Xtoxm much as I think shos slipped other people don’t see it that way but shos would be a good compromise

If we go with my idea Skitter + someone else

Skitter knows my scum game too well and if I was scum I kill her each time
She’s one of the few people who read me right and the fact she is failing now is bad

[RCEnigma]

I’d rather focus on prob scum RCE than where we disagree on spec because however many people agree from the same deluded idea of balance that doesn’t carry over to other sites will just drag the game down

Does it really matter if we nail scum?

It does, we have 2 mislynches and that's it.

You realize you have to go. Before Lylo.

Now I wonder why if you’re town you’re not questioning why Bella didn’t demand your lynch D2?

No you gave up because you’re scum

Because Bella doesn't know if I made the kill or I was saved. All she can do is question her previous read and make an assumption based on day play which is more likely. Which I acknowledged.

[MathBlade]

Mainly I don’t see Skitter town

If we throw away mechanics I would Vig her and lose zero sleep

[Iconeum]

Don't really disagree with you there.

Shos has associatives with RCE, but i need to look further to prove this.
Deepwolf according to my feelings is teacher rather then skitter tho.

However how skitter was 'enabling' my push on you, math, did feel off (gut)

Ok glad we have this talk lol

[Iconeum]

VOTE: RCE

If ur town, you realize you have to go anyway. Chances are just against you in the NK possible scenarios

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p9761523

She literally has gut feelings on me that are right after a single push

I don’t see teacher breaking up me and RC fighting if scum

Titus sees teacher scum but it seems moonlogicky to me

[RCEnigma]

ok let's assume we lynch RCE and that flips scum

who's the third?

If we go with Mafiascum “balance” Skitter or a deep wolf or shos

I don’t see a lurker scum here and I don’t trust my d1 when I was disagreeing with Titus enough to see a shos/Xtoxm much as I think shos slipped other people don’t see it that way but shos would be a good compromise

If we go with my idea Skitter + someone else

Skitter knows my scum game too well and if I was scum I kill her each time
She’s one of the few people who read me right and the fact she is failing now is bad

For a Skitter + me team shos has to be town and saudade elected to push RC's buttons over securing a lynch on town.

For me + shos shos has to be scum at L-1 in a scenario that makes bussing who's profitable and saudade elected to push RC's buttons instead of garnering towncredit.

I guess that one kind of depends on who has what role in that scenario.

[MathBlade]

I’d rather focus on prob scum RCE than where we disagree on spec because however many people agree from the same deluded idea of balance that doesn’t carry over to other sites will just drag the game down

Does it really matter if we nail scum?

It does, we have 2 mislynches and that's it.

You realize you have to go. Before Lylo.

Now I wonder why if you’re town you’re not questioning why Bella didn’t demand your lynch D2?

No you gave up because you’re scum

Because Bella doesn't know if I made the kill or I was saved. All she can do is question her previous read and make an assumption based on day play which is more likely. Which I acknowledged.

But she never talked about you? It’s odd.

Like no one that is a PR is playing like one

It’s weird.

[RCEnigma]

I’d rather focus on prob scum RCE than where we disagree on spec because however many people agree from the same deluded idea of balance that doesn’t carry over to other sites will just drag the game down

Does it really matter if we nail scum?

It does, we have 2 mislynches and that's it.

You realize you have to go. Before Lylo.

Now I wonder why if you’re town you’re not questioning why Bella didn’t demand your lynch D2?

No you gave up because you’re scum

Because Bella doesn't know if I made the kill or I was saved. All she can do is question her previous read and make an assumption based on day play which is more likely. Which I acknowledged.

But she never talked about you? It’s odd.

Like no one that is a PR is playing like one

It’s weird.

I can't be scum via a blocked nk AND Bella is lying about their role simultaneously. Which is what you're implying there.

[MathBlade]

I’d rather focus on prob scum RCE than where we disagree on spec because however many people agree from the same deluded idea of balance that doesn’t carry over to other sites will just drag the game down

Does it really matter if we nail scum?

It does, we have 2 mislynches and that's it.

You realize you have to go. Before Lylo.

Now I wonder why if you’re town you’re not questioning why Bella didn’t demand your lynch D2?

No you gave up because you’re scum

Because Bella doesn't know if I made the kill or I was saved. All she can do is question her previous read and make an assumption based on day play which is more likely. Which I acknowledged.

But she never talked about you? It’s odd.

Like no one that is a PR is playing like one

It’s weird.

I can't be scum via a blocked nk AND Bella is lying about their role simultaneously. Which is what you're implying there.

No. I am implying you’re not thinking about things through and considering them.

And yes that is true it can’t be both. I am demonstrating your lack of townieness

[Iconeum]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p9761523

She literally has gut feelings on me that are right after a single push

I don’t see teacher breaking up me and RC fighting if scum

Titus sees teacher scum but it seems moonlogicky to me

First off, i'm not gonna pay attention to a 2-yr old game

Second, I agree on teacher. I townread the slot. My team says he could be deepwolf.