Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

RCEnigma · Post Post #7150 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:54 am

Why? Because they're calling me scum? Xtoxm could still be the scum in that pairing. I still haven't really double-checked RCs solves and thoughts on Shos. Or at least why he thought X on Shos or Y on Shos.

Iconeum · Post Post #7151 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:55 am

In post 6134, RCEnigma wrote:Math my team really wants you to get Titus and Deb to look into sorting RC. We all strongly believe RC to be scum here. FL is doubling down on Ico scum here.

RC not considering Ico scum when RC ended the day as claimed detective AND having the save end up elsewhere is suspicious. It seems likely Math is being setup as the conf!town patsy here to get him on scums side. A deep pocket.

This was a strange post to reread. Not sure what to make of it.

In post 6214, RCEnigma wrote:This is even worse than the saudade wagon lol. When I flip no one gets to argue RC as town. Not even a little bit. You guys don't get to Lynch TW by feeding into his bullshit then me for feeding into his bullshit and still consider a world that RC is town.

But this post is ++town. It's a really weird stance to take for scum!RCE. On tone this doesn't feel faked either.

In post 6719, RCEnigma wrote:Math Ico Skitter Bella teacher probably Ari town.

I haven't given thought to a third yet, I'll get around to thinking tomorrow. Also want to reread RCs thoughts on Shos particularly since just from what I remember of EOD shos pushing on Xtoxm could have just been trying to move the wagon but RC was an option at the time so that might not be the case. That's also like level 0.

On first sight I'd agree with your town core here.

But I want you to continue on this thought. I don't see how you can think this, and not push shos harder?

Iconeum · Post Post #7152 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:56 am

After rereading RCE, I have a strong feeling he could be town actually

His stance on RC slot didn't make a ton of sense, because as scum he's caught pants down to anyone rereading him rn.
His approach to RC didn't feel faked. It had duck-level feelings to it.

Also not seeing any resistance to RCE lynch is a bit creepy.
I'm def not ready to lynch

shos · Post Post #7153 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:57 am

In post 7067, Iconeum wrote:Don't really disagree with you there.

Shos has associatives with RCE, but i need to look further to prove this.
Deepwolf according to my feelings is teacher rather then skitter tho.

However how skitter was 'enabling' my push on you, math, did feel off (gut)

Ok glad we have this talk lol

With RCE? If any, against RCE - iirc my team and I expressed suspicion that way, and I'm voting there atm

Iconeum · Post Post #7154 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:57 am

In post 7150, RCEnigma wrote:Why? Because they're calling me scum? Xtoxm could still be the scum in that pairing. I still haven't really double-checked RCs solves and thoughts on Shos. Or at least why he thought X on Shos or Y on Shos.

Because you have a large towncore. Other then Xtox and shos there's like nobody else left, and I think we are in agreement it's probably not exactly Xtoxm/shos?

Iconeum · Post Post #7155 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:01 am

Yeah ur def against RCE

the only bad asso you have is wrt saud, but math has equally or worse asso with saud lynch and i doubt ur both scum so

(i'm sorry if i'm misrepping any of my spouting at any point, this game is HUGE and I don't promise I know it from the top of my head - but I do fact check :/)

Iconeum · Post Post #7156 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:02 am

This literally all comes back down to RCE lol

I really thought I had this game more figured out then I do now, 24 hours later

RCEnigma · Post Post #7157 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:10 am

In post 7154, Iconeum wrote:
In post 7150, RCEnigma wrote:Why? Because they're calling me scum? Xtoxm could still be the scum in that pairing. I still haven't really double-checked RCs solves and thoughts on Shos. Or at least why he thought X on Shos or Y on Shos.
Because you have a large towncore. Other then Xtox and shos there's like nobody else left, and I think we are in agreement it's probably not exactly Xtoxm/shos?

Yeah that's my issue too. But I don't think it definitely means shos!scum. Because I could easily be wrong on a townread.

shos · Post Post #7158 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:18 am

Why wasn't I NK'ed T__________T

Flopz · Post Post #7159 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:20 am

In post 7158, shos wrote:Why wasn't I NK'ed T__________T

Why would it ever be you for last night?

Iconeum · Post Post #7160 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:22 am

In post 5165, teacher wrote:Im doing my Ari read through, since Im hitting a wall in Math/RC right now and a bit braindead. I came across a kinda weird stance in RCE's posting.

Correct me if Im wrong, but hes dead set on RC's lynch today (3748, 5022)

He's dead set that if RC is scum, Im his partner. (1724, 1732, 3750, 3774)

And he reads me as town (910, 1732, 4603)

Because that adds up to terrible positioning and logic?

who the fuck doesn't wanna be in the #roadto300?

Iconeum · Post Post #7161 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:22 am

i was responding to shos wanting out of the game, not teacher lol

ignore quote ahum

MathBlade · Post Post #7162 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:12 am

In post 7149, Iconeum wrote:RCE, why aren't you pushing shos harder?

From your PoV that should be lockscum?

More like if he’s town then he’s not investigating who was the save (himself or me).

His thoughts aren’t deep enough because he is making them up.

MathBlade · Post Post #7163 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:13 am

In post 7152, Iconeum wrote:After rereading RCE, I have a strong feeling he could be town actually

His stance on RC slot didn't make a ton of sense, because as scum he's caught pants down to anyone rereading him rn.
His approach to RC didn't feel faked. It had duck-level feelings to it.

Also not seeing any resistance to RCE lynch is a bit creepy.
I'm def not ready to lynch

Teacher soft resisted.

teacher · Post Post #7164 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:32 am

Math - who do you townread? And am I scum generally or only with RC?

I can’t tell what world you’re living in, and I need to try to see it from your eyes.

MathBlade · Post Post #7165 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:13 am

In post 7164, teacher wrote:Math - who do you townread? And am I scum generally or only with RC?

I can’t tell what world you’re living in, and I need to try to see it from your eyes.

Mechanics aside Flops.

Mechanics read however balanced Xtom
Mafiascum “balance” Bella Ico

And as for you, you could be scum with Ari too but if RCE is town (doubtful) then scum had to shoot us and iirc we only agreed on Ari so no matter who gets shot Ari flips scum if RCE is town

Titus thinks you+Ari I think RCE jailkept stopping RC kill is much more likely

teacher · Post Post #7166 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:16 am

That doesn’t actually answer my question. Could you say the names of the people that you town read.

teacher · Post Post #7167 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:37 am

That like a weighted list? You’ve just thrown enough shade that I have no idea where you are at as like a holistic thing.

MathBlade · Post Post #7168 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:37 am

My answer is above.
I always consider different worlds etc.

If me describing that isn’t good enough for you *shrug* I don’t know of any other way to answer the question.

MathBlade · Post Post #7169 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:17 am

So teacher

Let me ask you something here.

Assume RCE is town (imho laughable) and that I am scum (I know I am not)

What happened N1? Why was RCE such a valuable kill shot?

I just don’t see scum shooting RCE night one over RC.

MathBlade · Post Post #7170 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:20 am

In post 2859, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 2808, the worst wrote:i have to work but i can field questions/go into more detail later

just a friendly reminder

WHEN YOU SEE ME FLIP GREEN.

DO NOT WRITE THIS OFF AS "OH ANOTHER TVT~~~".

WE ARE ALL MORE COMPETENT THAN HE IS GIVING US CREDIT FOR.

HE DIES START OF DAY TWO. EOD.

IF HE HAS A GUILTY, YOU IGNORE IT. IF HE FLAILS AND SQUIRMS, IGNORE IT. NO COMPROMISE UNTIL RC IS LYNCHED.
If you flip town I got you.

In post 2866, RCEnigma wrote:Huh. Well... I didn't quite catch that.

In post 2863, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 2858, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 2854, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2853, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 2849, RadiantCowbells wrote:Okay Ari.

I mean, Nancy knows if no one else does that when I say that I mean it.
I know you're serious. I just don't think you're right!

In post 2850, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2847, RadiantCowbells wrote:Literally I have a guilty on duck

He's dying today
Stop this please D1 guilties are not normal on MS.

This is your scum meta. Please stop.
Nah he does this as any alignment tbh.
And we all know his D1 guilties are merely extremely confident reads.

Wait, we all know that, right?
He claimed invest in Lynch The Wolves
He claimed a guilty in Lynch the Wolves
He was scum in Lynch the Wolves with an investigative power

Like I get the fact RC hates I scumread him
But I am tired of being viewed as crazy when this is literal history repeating itself.

I just want this day over
He claims guilties in like a quarter of his games regardless of role or alignment tho. It's just an RC thing.
Like mastina claiming masons. It doesn't mean anything mechanically most times, but it says a lot about their reads.
But it's great when you roll masons with Mastina.

These are RCE’s last few posts. Can you with a straight face argue that RCE was shot over claimed RC?
And over me who may be right or wrong on reads but at least was trying for cohesion?

MathBlade · Post Post #7171 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:24 am

RCE is only town if Bella is scum lying and the odds of that shrink with each time I am told I am ridiculous in my setup spec. Plus neighborize+alien lends credence to her claim. RCE is caught scum. The more you push me as ridiculous the more you pretty much scum claim.

The push on me end of day two was bad. This is just worse. Like just think things through.

MathBlade · Post Post #7172 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:48 am

@ico Think for a minute
Neighborizing scum has flipped.
What better boon to give scum than an ability to talk with a traitor.
My guess is that Xtom was their guess on the traitor.
The way teacher asks me gamestate while scumreading me tells me that he thinks I am the traitor.

MathBlade · Post Post #7173 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:49 am

Now if I am right that traitor is skitter but that I am least sure on
Teacher+RCE makes soooo much sense

teacher · Post Post #7174 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:50 am

In post 7169, MathBlade wrote:So teacher

Let me ask you something here.

Assume RCE is town (imho laughable) and that I am scum (I know I am not)

What happened N1? Why was RCE such a valuable kill shot?

I just don’t see scum shooting RCE night one over RC.

1. The request was for a weighted readslist. You know what that is. Why aren’t you giving one?

2. Re: N1 - I’ll respond to a question with a question: But you see (or at least saw) scum shooting you over RC, ya? What makes you such a valuable kill shot? Fmpov, you both make sense as logical protective targets for the exact same reason, you both were fairly universal town reads.

3. In general, the tenor of the game was that RC would be turbo lynched D2 because of ducks flip. I could see a world where fear of RC does not lead to his death because he was the likely mislynch.