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In post 7129, skitter30 wrote:heya i'm around a bit now! fire if you wanna bicker!

Yes at last the moment ive been waiting for.

In post 7136, skitter30 wrote:

In post 6849, Firebringer wrote:

In post 6846, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:fb if you could pick between me and skitter for your scum buddy who would you pick?

skitter. I would have more fun making u paranoid than her by trolling u in game. scum me doesn't really enjoy messing with skitter.
plus then i get to awkwardly flirt with skitter in the main thread and see how she responds which would be hilarious.

<3

u can't fool me with ur hearts.


okay lets argue. idk what to talk about first but im most interested in ur scum case on me but i feel it is very vapid atm. Got anything for me to chew on?

In post 7149, Deacon Blues wrote:

In post 7144, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 7140, Deacon Blues wrote:

In post 7135, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 7130, Dandelion Wine wrote:

In post 7125, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:kind of surprising me off the cuff a bit here cabd me boyo but not much to be done, i guess i'm playing nice lol

I don't recall seeing you like this in quite some time. But okay.

We know his claim and nobody counterclaimed him yeah? Does that some effect, a lot of effect, or no effect on your read?

Do you think that peta scum makes anyone here or the other side expliclty town as impossible to be a partner?

If Peta is scum, SB9 is town. That's my biggest one. I happen to think SB9 is v. town, and don't think Peta can be town with the way he pushed SB9 either.

Mechanically.... Peta's paired person would be town but is also dead. Maybe makes at most 1 other power role pair person scum?

SB's play upon arriving in the forwards thread really bothered me, as did his low activity here after being purple-roomed. Dunn's argument that he's looked like lost town over there does resonate, though.

Does town SB fake a threat to self-hammer?

If you're asking this, you're assuming too much from a meta perspective? I don't know the dude, so I've no idea if that's in his range in that sense.

That said, from what I know of him, and how he has handled and conducted himself sofar this game?

it's in range. I'm not perturbed. SB9 is shaken and all fucked up over there and doing wacky shit. I'm not flinching from my read and it doesn't shake me here.

I thought it was far more likely coming from town than scum in a generic-bombastic-player model , but this is the first game I've played with him, so aside from skimming some games of his after unwnd expressed concerns day 1, I'm strictly going on what he's doing in this game.

okay, well if it is just what he is doing this game, see above where ceph and i mind melded a bit.

SB9 is town cause the behaviour matches the intent and the intent comes from town. Dude's got the look. Savvy?

In post 7151, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 7149, Deacon Blues wrote:

In post 7144, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 7140, Deacon Blues wrote:

In post 7135, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 7130, Dandelion Wine wrote:

In post 7125, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:kind of surprising me off the cuff a bit here cabd me boyo but not much to be done, i guess i'm playing nice lol

I don't recall seeing you like this in quite some time. But okay.

We know his claim and nobody counterclaimed him yeah? Does that some effect, a lot of effect, or no effect on your read?

Do you think that peta scum makes anyone here or the other side expliclty town as impossible to be a partner?

If Peta is scum, SB9 is town. That's my biggest one. I happen to think SB9 is v. town, and don't think Peta can be town with the way he pushed SB9 either.

Mechanically.... Peta's paired person would be town but is also dead. Maybe makes at most 1 other power role pair person scum?

SB's play upon arriving in the forwards thread really bothered me, as did his low activity here after being purple-roomed. Dunn's argument that he's looked like lost town over there does resonate, though.

Does town SB fake a threat to self-hammer?

If you're asking this, you're assuming too much from a meta perspective? I don't know the dude, so I've no idea if that's in his range in that sense.

That said, from what I know of him, and how he has handled and conducted himself sofar this game?

it's in range. I'm not perturbed. SB9 is shaken and all fucked up over there and doing wacky shit. I'm not flinching from my read and it doesn't shake me here.

I thought it was far more likely coming from town than scum in a generic-bombastic-player model , but this is the first game I've played with him, so aside from skimming some games of his after unwnd expressed concerns day 1, I'm strictly going on what he's doing in this game.

okay, well if it is just what he is doing this game, see above where ceph and i mind melded a bit.

SB9 is town cause the behaviour matches the intent and the intent comes from town. Dude's got the look. Savvy?

I actually think depending on how things are going for scum overall today that scum-SB9 might have self-hammered there so's to throw this thread into 48 hour panic mode. My read is not as strong as yours, though.

fwiw im less sure about sb9 town than i was early but they should be yeeting bell today
-ceph

In post 7146, Deacon Blues wrote:

In post 7142, petapan wrote:because he was still taking what i said as a personal insult

don't really see any evidence of this. he just called you scum for slapping him away

-b

In post 7067, Spiffeh wrote:Sorry if it isn't up to your standards

that came across as bitter when i was just questioning him trying to understand how he thinks about things. i think his reasoning for his reads is undercooked and he's plying in a reactive emotional fashion but that's how i get as town when things are going poorly so i don't know


i'm falling asleep in my chair as i'm writing this so i'm going to step away

Quick shower break sorry.


Question while you wait: is there anyone in this thread that you would vig shoot upon a peta red flip without hesitation?

In post 6921, Spiffeh wrote:

@mod work is annoying this week V/LA til Friday 1/8

skitter I appreciate your A50 post. It looks like a lot of the reason you're townreading him is because he handled you in a manner that you think comes from town!A50, which is understandable because I find it easiest to get reads on people through their interactions with me. I also think the long A50 post at the end doesn't look bad and in a vacuum I would townread that.

However, I think in the posts you quoted above talking to Deacon about your A50 read that you telegraphed pretty hard how you were going to approach reading him. Do you think it's possible he was aware of this and, given your history, knew exactly what to say and how to approach you to get you to town read him?

What specifically in that post makes it more likely to come from town!A50 than scum!A50 given your experience with him?

Additionally, how do you view his inactivity and lack of engagement here? Is that something that has been alignment indicative of him in the past?

a few thoguths here:

- yes, a lot of my a50 read is specifically abt how he chooses to interact with me: as town he's inclined to try to sort me early, and as scum, he feels he needs to play around me, and like if he's scum i don't think the fact that i telegraphed how i was going to appraoch him would change anything - he'd know that's how i'm going to approach him anyways. me stating it aloud doesn't change how he's going to approach me as either alignment, but would make the read/interaction less inscrutable for the rest of you lot

- i think the lack of engaement is utterly nai. i'm used to him being more active as both alignments, i don't thin the lack of activity has much to do with this game in particular. i'm imagining/assuming it's due to irl things/how much time he's putting into mafia these days in general.

- i think the things he pulled out are things town!him would think, and things that scum!him woudl have a bit of a hard time coming up with that early. (like he might come up with reasons to townread me, but probably not that many *that* early)

- specifically: 25 - he townread both you and me for the exact same reason i townread you early on, so i gve that townpoints (he could easily have 'failed' to see both)

- 82 - i tend to be very 'polished' as scum, and i think it's quite plausible that he thinks i would have sorted all fo this out in the scum pt (i.e. vs in thread, like i did here). i'm not sure this is something *i* would townread myself off of, but i believe that is how he might appraoch me

- 110 - while i might suck at mechanics as town, i'm very, very, very on point as scum, and he's seen taht in action several times, so again i can see him thinking this

and for the last point: not to toot my own horn too much, but I'm very good at positioning myself well as scum, and he's right, it's unlikely that i get run up like that there as scum, because it's unlikely i position myself that way as scum

while this is true, it's not helpful for you lot really, so this isn't something that i particularly feel the need to trot out, but i believe that this is something he could believe: he saw me stomp a game quite like this last year in TM - he was on my team, and that game mirrored this one in several respects wrt things like gamestates, tvt fights, length, spam, etc. he saw firsthand what i was thinking throughout, and how i handled it, and how i approached it, and how i took advantage of it to win. he then promptly took a longish hiatus and i don't think i've played with/around him since then, so it makes a lot of sense ot me that he thinks this

LLD do you like neighborhoods? Interested in the Purple Room tonight?

In post 7154, petapan wrote:that came across as bitter when i was just questioning him trying to understand how he thinks about things. i think his reasoning for his reads is undercooked and he's plying in a reactive emotional fashion but that's how i get as town when things are going poorly so i don't know

7067 seemed obviously to me

-b

In post 6930, Deacon Blues wrote:

In post 6920, skitter30 wrote:Bork you're missing like three years of context on that read.

outside of the last point a50 made i don't really think the points made are really specific to you being you and they're more to me about how you've acted in this game in a bubble

like come on how is shit like 27 and 82 even remotely AI? you could easily be legitimately confused about multivoting (as many were) as town or scum, or faking it as scum (for towncred i guess?). I don't know where a50 gets any semblance of townread on you for weaksauce tells like that

111 is like him lauding you for having no real opinion about something (and is kinda confusing to boot but I am interpreting it as:

"if you were scum you would be 100% not ok with professing even the slightest endorsement of a [try to evict all the scum from a thread] plan...because there is some small chance it would work and that would be bad for scum" which i think is silly on multiple levels in that 1) that clearly wouldn't be guaranteed to work and 2) you could just be, you know, trying to look town, lol?

I'm just really underwhelmed by that as an argument for you town in any kind of way, both as proposed by him and at you (and now spiffeh i guess?) for being ok with it

-b

see above, lmk if you still have questions. but in short, it makes a lot of sense to me, and you're lacking the context for why it would, so like i don't fault you for thinking this, but you're just wrong

In post 7155, Dandelion Wine wrote:Quick shower break sorry.


Question while you wait: is there anyone in this thread that you would vig shoot upon a peta red flip without hesitation?

a50. or skitter. or both? can i do both

In post 6951, petapan wrote:i reread my role pm and dont know how annie had the misconception they wouldnt get names of targets. even though i backed them up on that point. but i still dont think they play things the way they did as scum.

like the one reason i could see myself townreading him is you thinking his reaction to his role mirrors yours
and like even that i'm not sure it's enough to divert me off

In post 7157, Deacon Blues wrote:LLD do you like neighborhoods? Interested in the Purple Room tonight?

oh my god lol

i'm the worst neighbour in history

but if it's a one night sidebar style thing where i can give it my attention, yeah I'm in. who with?

like me and neighbours is usually hard because i'm like....

afraid of letting people into my brain meats in general?

so neighbourhoods tend to be at arms length for me

... but this game is already going down a bit of a toilet if we don't right the ship so...

if you need me to effort and expose the brain meats.... I guess... i'll do it?

hurts to say lol

wow i got stood up

It is a one night thing.

Who from the forwards thread would you want to sidebar with?

In post 7017, Almost50 wrote:OK. Looks like I'm outed as the Amnesiac Tracker. *Sigh*

I'll try to so something useful before my imminent perishing tonight

UNVOTE: Turnstile Skitter

I'll be back soon enough

@skitter: This is why I am confident Annie is Town. I knew they were my recipient when they claimed my result on Dunn on N1, and it does not make any sense to have me info-feeding scum in this setup

who do you think is scum
i'm not sure i really am sold on this logic for annie

In post 7164, Firebringer wrote:wow i got stood up

sorry! i'm like ~around~ but also trying to catch up and also doing things irl at the same time. i am working on it and will be here shortly

In post 7165, Deacon Blues wrote:It is a one night thing.

Who from the forwards thread would you want to sidebar with?

Dunn.

100 percent Dunn. It's not close.

LLD it's more about if you think it helps you sort the game, or preserves your thoughts in case you get deaded. If you don't wanna, we can think about other good uses for it.

Dunn's a good choice IMO!

In post 7169, Deacon Blues wrote:LLD it's more about if you think it helps you sort the game, or preserves your thoughts in case you get deaded. If you don't wanna, we can think about other good uses for it.

Dunn's a good choice IMO!

I'm in a weird spot where I think that I was shot last night and Gamma saved me and I have no good reason to think this other than my gut and spacing and shit.

And so having someone like Dunn who I town read but don't always have perfect 1:1 with reads on to just fucking lay all cards on the table and see where we go?

yeah I want that p. badly

like that's enough to get me to do the efforts in my brain meats

why am i saying brain meats

In post 7066, Almost50 wrote:yet I also may just provide a "fake" read lost to still make my target unpredictable (or -at least- not easily guessable)

Like, here's a read list for you to work off, but I give no promises it's accurate

Petapan < Mechanical clear for me
Deacon Blues/Dandelion Wine < Guessing the NK was meant to hit one of them and Gamma took the hit instead
Spiffeh < Play is almost too scummy to be scum
skitter30 < Call it a soul reade (I had actually provided the reasons earlier)
PookyTheMagicalBear < Had no night action so don't see why hw wasn't sent to do the kill last night
Firebringer <I historically struggle to get a TR on FB, but he has yet to trigger my scumdar
Lady Lambdadelta < I didn't like her rage over the preliminary read list I provided (that I even said explicitly was not my own). Otherwise, I have nothing much to say for/against her
midwaybear < This is the most volatile read I have. By PoE, and unless the other thread is dominated by Scum; this has to be a scum slot here. Yet, by play I have more Town pings from him than half the other players. (Actually, I'd only TR Deacon, Dandelion & skitter more is I ignore all mechanical reasoning)

Up to you now to decide which slot(s) am I misplacing on the list on purpose.

this like 'intentionally obfuscating my readslist in order to help me mechanically' thing is, while unhelpful, just very typical a50

In post 7170, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 7169, Deacon Blues wrote:LLD it's more about if you think it helps you sort the game, or preserves your thoughts in case you get deaded. If you don't wanna, we can think about other good uses for it.

Dunn's a good choice IMO!

I'm in a weird spot where I think that I was shot last night and Gamma saved me and I have no good reason to think this other than my gut and spacing and shit.

And so having someone like Dunn who I town read but don't always have perfect 1:1 with reads on to just fucking lay all cards on the table and see where we go?

yeah I want that p. badly

I ran this by Dunn in the neighborhood, and I think he feels like you/he can converse via Dandelion or us, but my thought is that it's either not a private convo, or it involves annoying crumby stuff like Cabd and I were doing on Day 1.

In post 7173, Deacon Blues wrote:

In post 7170, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 7169, Deacon Blues wrote:LLD it's more about if you think it helps you sort the game, or preserves your thoughts in case you get deaded. If you don't wanna, we can think about other good uses for it.

Dunn's a good choice IMO!

I'm in a weird spot where I think that I was shot last night and Gamma saved me and I have no good reason to think this other than my gut and spacing and shit.

And so having someone like Dunn who I town read but don't always have perfect 1:1 with reads on to just fucking lay all cards on the table and see where we go?

yeah I want that p. badly

I ran this by Dunn in the neighborhood, and I think he feels like you/he can converse via Dandelion or us, but my thought is that it's either not a private convo, or it involves annoying crumby stuff like Cabd and I were doing on Day 1.

yeah I mean, the point of it would be a direct line with Dunn.