Mini 742 Monopoly Mafia - Game Over!

Zilla · Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 1:10 am

Crazy levels of intuition.

StrangerSSK · Post Post #726 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 4:09 am

Vote count

CrashTextDummie (1): Zilla
Not voting (5): ac1983fan, CrashTextDummie, DrippingGoofball, Nightfall, The Fonz

With

6

players alive, it takes

4

votes to lynch.

I (StrangerCoug) am going to be

REALLY

busy this morning. If there's anybody that needs to be prodded, bold it in thread so I know whom to go after after I check the Battleship games and update the themes (I think).

The Fonz · Post Post #727 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 8:59 am

Nightfall wrote:My thoughts on DGB's claim

DGB = Boardwalk with a hotel?
This part of DGB's claim I can believe. Braeden was against name claiming because he thought that power roles would be outed because people know the special or "infamous" spaces. Boardwalk with a hotel is a very infamous space and looking at the other roles claimed it's very reasonable to believe that scum would have targeted him if we name claimed.

Boardwalk with hotel = Tracker?
In terms of flavour I can see this being true. However, just because something would work flavour wise doesn't make things true in this game. We found that out with "get out of jail free" and the "officer" (Go to jail).

DGB = Boardwalk with hotel = Tracker = Town?
I went back and forth on this one many times. The result.... I'm not sure...

But, I am actually
leaning
more towards town.

Given the vanilla townie situation, this being true would make YOU almost certain scum in my eyes.

Zilla wrote:Boardwalk is the most valuable property in the game, light blue. Mediterranean (that's me) was the least valuable property and is dark blue. St. Charles is just past jail, and is pink/purple. Illinois Avenue is past Free Parking and is red.

Huh? I thought the colours were the same. In the London version, the cheapest properties are brown, and the most expensive dark blue (Park Lane and Mayfair).

Also... can I have your thoughts on my analysis of the vanilla situation? It seems like they've just been ignored.

CrashTextDummie wrote:
Zilla wrote:I'm a little nonplussed by CTD's non-reaction to me naming him as one of my two top-suspects. The most reaction it got was a subtle OMGUS saying I'm worth looking at.
What kind of reaction where you looking for? There is no case against me and up until your vote today, there was no drive to get me lynched. DGB and Nightfall didn't react to me naming them my two top suspects, does that nonplus you as well?

No case? Trying to tie a town player to a scum not ring any bells?

DGB and Nightfall have so far neglected to make any indication of who they suspect to be scum today at all. That strikes me as scummy

Agreed. Especially since at least one of them is scum.

Also, I'd like people's opinions on the possibility that the game has all of the following: a cop, a roleblocker, a JOAT, a one-shot doc, AND a tracker. That's five pretty good power roles right there. And we definitely have four of them.

Zilla · Post Post #728 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 10:31 am

Mod: prod ac1983fan

I don't think we can logic our way into finding scum this time, and I don't want to play "outguess the setup."

ac1983fan · Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 11:20 am

Has it really been that long since I last posted?
I just haven't been able to formulate any good posts recently. I've been trying to figure out which role claims are true and which ones are fakeclaims of the roles. I honeslty think GO would be in the game, and I would think go would be pro-town... Of course, then again, none of the rest of the theming really has made sense to me... I see Boardwalk as being more likely a scum role then a town role...

mod please don't prod me

ac1983fan · Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 11:22 am

(sorry for the double post)
Oh, and DGB has been scummier compared to the fonz the whole game IMO... nightfall's claim is a little fishy to me, but IDK..

I'm gonna go ahead and do this:

vote: DrippingGoofball

Zilla · Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 11:23 am

What do you think of my vote on CTD?

ac1983fan · Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 11:25 am

Zilla wrote:What do you think of my vote on CTD?

It is a mix of a pressure vote and a vote against a player you find scummy, isn't it? What is there to think about it?

Zilla · Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 11:28 am

Lots. Why so defensive?

Zilla · Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 11:46 am

Still waiting on an actual opinion on my vote too.

ac1983fan · Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 12:14 pm

Zilla wrote:Lots. Why so defensive?

I'm not being defensive, I'm just saying what I think...
I don't know what you want me to say about your vote...
Is it scummy? no.
Is it a legitimate vote? yes.
Is CTD likely scum? maybe.
Do I think CTD is the best lynch? no.

Zilla · Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 12:20 pm

Why don't you support a CTD lynch?

ac1983fan · Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 12:52 pm

Zilla wrote:Why don't you support a CTD lynch?

Because CTD isn't the scummiest person in the game.

Zilla · Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 1:34 pm

... that's not what I meant.

I've had enough.

unvote: CrashTextDummie
Vote: ac1983fan

For dropping 5 scumtells this page alone (counting the lurking):

Come in from lurking (1) to comment on how indecisive the claims make you feel (2), not reacting to a potentially scummy vote (3), pushing on someone there is demonstrated support for lynching (4), and evading questions in such a way as to draw out more information as to what the questioner is looking for (5).

The number 5 one is the nail in the coffin for me, since I didn't follow up on that in Drawn Together mafia with Xtoxm, and he ended up being the last mafioso.

Further reasons to suspect ac1983fan: One of the main reasons I wanted to lynch Alabaska aside from his scumminess was because I felt it would help get a better read on the people pushing his case. Of those, I felt ac1983fan was likely to be scum if Alabaska turned out to be town.

ac1983fan · Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 2:30 pm

Zilla wrote: Come in from lurking (1) to comment on how indecisive the claims make you feel (2), not reacting to a potentially scummy vote (3), pushing on someone there is demonstrated support for lynching (4), and evading questions in such a way as to draw out more information as to what the questioner is looking for (5).

1) I'm not trying to lurk, I thought it hadn't been that long since my last post.
2) I was saying what was on my mind and has been on my mind as I've been reading the game lately, how is that a scumtell?
3) Uhhh, I didn't find it scummy? Why should I have found it scummy? are you saying you are scum?
4) Maybe that's because I find them scummy? well golly gee, wouldn't that be fucking amazing if I was pushing for a lynch on somebody I found scummy. Because in the history of mafia, nobody's ever fucking pushed for a lynch on someone they found scummy and been a townie actually trying their best to lynch scum.
5) Well golly gee, did you ever consider the fact that I didn't understand what you were really asking me.... I've answered every question as best as I can, if that makes me fucking scummy, then I guess somebody changed the definition of scummy.

Nightfall · Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 2:48 pm

The Fonz wrote:
Nightfall wrote:My thoughts on DGB's claim

DGB = Boardwalk with a hotel?
This part of DGB's claim I can believe. Braeden was against name claiming because he thought that power roles would be outed because people know the special or "infamous" spaces. Boardwalk with a hotel is a very infamous space and looking at the other roles claimed it's very reasonable to believe that scum would have targeted him if we name claimed.

Boardwalk with hotel = Tracker?
In terms of flavour I can see this being true. However, just because something would work flavour wise doesn't make things true in this game. We found that out with "get out of jail free" and the "officer" (Go to jail).

DGB = Boardwalk with hotel = Tracker = Town?
I went back and forth on this one many times. The result.... I'm not sure...

But, I am actually
leaning
more towards town.
Given the vanilla townie situation, this being true would make YOU almost certain scum in my eyes.

Say what? Why?

Zilla · Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sat May 23, 2009 5:37 pm

AtE doens't cut it.

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sun May 24, 2009 9:32 pm

Zilla, am I correct in assuming that your vote on me was nothing more than an attempt to draw a reaction out of me and ac1983fan? Cause "crazy levels of intuition" doesn't cut it as reasoning for a vote in a lylo situation.

I feel like your case against ac1983fan is reaching and borderline fallacious , as only one item on your list could reasonably be construed as scummy (the first one, for the record). It bothers me that you're flat out ignoring any issues concerning DGB and Nightfall, particularly the latter. You've commented on why you find DGBs claim believable, but barely even mentioned Nightfall all day. How can you accuse ac1983fan of indecisiveness when he is currently voting, yet ignore Nightfall's complete lack of any kind of decisive stance whatsoever? The only person he has commented on in any capacity was DGB, and his conclusion was that he's "really not sure" and that he's "leaning towards [her] being town". That's the textbook definition of being indecisive.

-----------

Nightfall:

When I said that I find your lack of voiced suspicion scummy, that wasn't just a throwaway comment for you to ignore. I want to know who you're suspicious of. The same goes for DGB.

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #743 (ISO) » Sun May 24, 2009 9:47 pm

Fonz wrote: No case? Trying to tie a town player to a scum not ring any bells?

1. That's not a case.
2. I am not the least bit appologetic for my stance on this yesterday. I got one scum right and one scum wrong. The reason I suspected you of being scum together was your inconsistent behavior towards her, and this turned out to be an accurate read, as you yourself stated that you made a conscious internal decision to stop attacking her because you decided to shoot her instead.

In addition, I didn't push against you based on this link, which would be the point of tying a town player to a scum. I voted you yesterday because I thought you were the scummiest player in the game individually, and explained why I felt so, and I made no mention of Grimmy coming up scum being a reason to attack you today. Naturally, it factored into my suspicion of you to some extent, as it fit the gamestate as I had established it in my head, but I didn't use it as an argument against you.

Got anything else?

CrashTextDummie · Post Post #744 (ISO) » Sun May 24, 2009 9:52 pm

Sorry for the triple post:

Fonz wrote:Also, I'd like people's opinions on the possibility that the game has all of the following: a cop, a roleblocker, a JOAT, a one-shot doc, AND a tracker. That's five pretty good power roles right there. And we definitely have four of them.

Don't forget the passive one-shot NK immune townie. That's six pretty good power roles. I especially want Zilla's opinion on this.

Zilla · Post Post #745 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2009 2:21 am

I frankly don't care about roles anymore, I feel extremely confident in CTD/ac1983fan being the scumpair. Fonz is out of the picture for being mafia for no contest on the Grimmy kill, and I believe DGB. Nightfall has been attacked by both CTD and ac1983 at key times that make it not look like bussing. CTD and ac1983fan have both tried to put suspicion on DGB by attacking her claim.

I think this case is shut and all we need is to close up the game.

Most telling is how CTD defends ac1983fan in 742.

ac1983fan · Post Post #746 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2009 2:43 am

Zilla wrote:I frankly don't care about roles anymore, I feel extremely confident in CTD/ac1983fan being the scumpair. Fonz is out of the picture for being mafia for no contest on the Grimmy kill, and I believe DGB. Nightfall has been attacked by both CTD and ac1983 at key times that make it not look like bussing. CTD and ac1983fan have both tried to put suspicion on DGB by attacking her claim.

I think this case is shut and all we need is to close up the game.

Most telling is how CTD defends ac1983fan in 742.

oh ffs. You didn't even read my defending myself against your case, did you? Where I explained to you exactly why my actions were the way they were? Look at this game where I actually was scum: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=10726 I lurked the whole freaking game. I obviously have not been doing that here. Meanwhile, you think I'm scum because Alabaska flipped town? Alabaska was scummy as hell, I honestly thought he was scum, and I would never have pushed the lynch so hard on him if I were scum.
DGB has been scummy in the back of my mind for a while now anyway, the role claim is even more fishy IMO.

Your case on me is total BS, and CTD was just trying to point that out. I love how every time somebody points out that somebody's case on someone else is crap, they are supposedly "defending them".
Defending someone is saying "No, I disagree, I think they are town for reasons X, Y, and Z." CTD basically said "No, I disagree, your case is bad for reasons X, Y, and Z." Learn the freaking difference people.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #747 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2009 3:57 am

CrashTextDummie wrote:Sorry for the triple post:
Fonz wrote:Also, I'd like people's opinions on the possibility that the game has all of the following: a cop, a roleblocker, a JOAT, a one-shot doc, AND a tracker. That's five pretty good power roles right there. And we definitely have four of them.
Don't forget the passive one-shot NK immune townie. That's six pretty good power roles. I especially want Zilla's opinion on this.

There's also a dead mafia bus driver, so the scum might be similarly loaded.

You know when I most worry about the town being too powerful? When I'm scum. And that's what Fonzie and CTD are doing right now.

The Fonz · Post Post #748 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2009 5:24 am

CrashTextDummie wrote:
Fonz wrote: No case? Trying to tie a town player to a scum not ring any bells?
1. That's not a case.

CTD, you should have been around long enough to know that 'I suspect my scumbuddy, but only by association with this townie, and i want this townie killed first' is a very common scum distancing manouevre.

2. I am not the least bit appologetic for my stance on this yesterday. I got one scum right and one scum wrong. The reason I suspected you of being scum together was your inconsistent behavior towards her, and this turned out to be an accurate read, as you yourself stated that you made a conscious internal decision to stop attacking her because you decided to shoot her instead.

BUT...

Your 'suspicion' of

him

was ENTIRELY driven by the fact that in my recap post where i pointed out the most suspicious behaviour of the game, I pointed out a lot of things that Grimmy did that were scummy, but didn't vote him.

You completely ignored the fact that Jebus was even scummier, made arguments that made no logical sense, and was a significant wagon candidate at deadline, whilst no-one else appeared to show any interest in wagoning Grimmy.

In addition, I didn't push against you based on this link, which would be the point of tying a town player to a scum.

Liar. Your stated reason for voting me was that you thought my first post made it look like I was scum with Grimmy- with a cheap shot at Pacman and his connection problems thrown in for good measure.

I strongly felt on Day 2 that pacman281292 is scum. Read his posts in isolation: Almost all he ever did was complain about the game stalling, yet he never even placed a vote.

I also found Gimmy scummy, for reasons mostly outlined by ac1983fan.

To top it all off, I found The Fonz's entry into the game to be strongly indicative of those two being scum together.

Got anything else?

Try your desperate attempts to use craplogic to show that Jebus 'cleared' you.

Zilla · Post Post #749 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2009 5:58 am

ac1983fan wrote:Your case on me is total BS, and CTD was just trying to point that out. I love how every time somebody points out that somebody's case on someone else is crap, they are supposedly "defending them".
Defending someone is saying "No, I disagree, I think they are town for reasons X, Y, and Z." CTD basically said "No, I disagree, your case is bad for reasons X, Y, and Z." Learn the freaking difference people.

And ac1983fan returns the favor and defends CTD.

I'll lynch either of them.

unvote: ac1983fan
Vote: CrashTextDummie

I actually think CTD is the better choice, myself.