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AurorusVox wrote:But that's retroactive logic.

You think all lurkers should die.
Deadline approaches, a bunch of people decide that The Lurker should die.
Those people are now scummy.
You now think The Lurker should not die.

Can you see my problem?

AurorusVox wrote:Are you suggesting that Reya is not a lurker?

Hoppster wrote:

ToastyToast wrote:Sir Hoppster--I am pretty much shocked by his stance on TS. I cannot mention any games in particular, but I can mention the fact that you hydra together. I recognize TS as being a very whimsy player, one who comes of as scummy because of his apparent love for WIFOM. Also, your declaration that he ABSOLUTELY CAN'T BE SCUM. Does TS ordinarily make cases? nope. I have played a game with just Hoppster as well, and got strong town vibes when compared to this game.

Yes, it's true, TS's play is somewhat... 'erratic'.

However, just because Twistedspoon does X as town does not mean he doesn't do X as scum.

There was more to this case, such as the misrepresentation (which I still cannot understand) he did.

lord_hur wrote:1. Following my experience, rapscallions often comment in the post immediately following a kill, because they had a hand in the act and thus have this problematic of the reason for killing in mind. Which Sir Hoppster did.
2. Furthermore, he did not mention the one thing most peculiar about the night : that there were two murders, and not one. This strikes me as quite unfair unless special mechanics are at work, but of course, the actual killers should not be surprised, and indeed would be less likely to mention it. Also about this mass murder, the modus operandi of tonight's deaths is very different from the first one. I think this might be an important clue to guess their abilities.
3. During his most expansive reaction to the late Twistedspoon, Esq.'s death, the only argument he brings forth is OMGUS voting (thus it must be the most important for him), yet I do not find this reason in his message #51, which he claimed regrouped his reasons for voting him.
4. I do not agree with these reasons : while they are indicative of bad play, I do not think these mistakes are more likely to be made by scum than by town.
5. He seemed quite fast in taking Twistedspoon, Esq.'s claim as a miller for acurate. As for me, someone who lied in the past (he did claim a role he has not) I would not have believed him to be gentlemen-aligned right away (even in twilight). Of course, if he knew Twistedspoon, Esq. to be gentlemen-aligned, this reaction would make sense.

And since this is my best lead as of now, I will :

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

Of course, alleviating these concerns might lead me to rescind my vote.

1. Are you suggesting I was involved in both kills?

2. ... what? A post saying "OMG 2 DEATHS" surely would be a scum-tell by your logic in 1. That makes no sense. Further to this, why should I need to mention that there were 2 deaths when everybody can see that? What everybody

couldn't

necessarily see is that they were odd deaths, which is why I pointed it out.

3. This is badly taken out of context. It's not until here (my ISO #54) that I pick up on Twistedspoon's lack of case/OMGUS vote. That comes after my summary in #51.

4. I fail to see how me interpreting posts differently to you makes me a villain.

5. Where do I say I buy the miller claim in paticular? It was more the "WTF HE'S ACTUALLY TOWN" thing that felt like a punch to the face and prompted twilight rage.

VOTE: lord_hur

Weak, weak case. He also leaves himself a nice escape route with his vote, which is rather suspicious.




As I've said, I found both TheLonging and StrangerCoug slightly scummy, so I am thinking that perhaps it was rival scum shooting for each other (having said that, if there were multiple scum factions, I would expect slightly different kill flavour, but eh).

AurorusVox wrote:

jilynne1991 wrote:I don't know why, but something about Feysal leads me to conclude that Lord_hur is townie.

jilynne1991 wrote:Right now, you're kind of leaning scum for me...but Feysal's got me pretty well convinced.

Baroness Jilynne, can you please clarify how certain you are of lord_hur being a dastardly rogue? On the one hand, your posts seem to say with some considerable strength ("conclude", "pretty well convinced") that you believe him to be a true gentleman; yet on the other, you sound unsure and in fact find him a rapscallion ("I don't know why", "kind of leaning scum") - plus, it should of course be noted that you are still voting for him.

imaginality wrote:TastyToast, do you believe lord_hur's claim, or do you still suspect him to be scum but are unvoting as a precaution in case you are wrong?