↑ Internet Stranger wrote:Whos putting down who here, Elvis? You and the DBGScum are the ones ignoring my case. You and DBGScum are off on some random tangent and ignoring my points on DBGScum simply because you dont want to face them. Im playing mafia and making solid mafia points, youre going the ad hominem route and advocating some Femme Club scene.
So whos fooling who here?
Meta issue here:
Whenever I have played with IS, he has been scum AND he has also done this sort of rhetorical "I am a genius and you are being slippery" type of post. Is this just null-IS, or is this a scumtell? (for those who have seen more ofhis meta than me)
↑ Internet Stranger wrote: ↑ elvis_knits wrote:lol @ IS... could you have made a bigger wall?
IS wrote:And to show you that I dont duck questions and hide behind others like DBGScum over there, what did you expect me to do while reading day 1? Read ahead? Read the ending of the book first? What would the be point then if my initial reads werent genuine? You seriously think im going to show up here and play armchair mafia and tell you what a bunch of idiots you were on Day 1 and just act like im starting fresh on Day 2? Thats bullshit projecting on me. How am I supposed to catch scum that way?
You seriously didn't read the flips before reading the thread? How can you possibly do that? I know I can't.
To answer your question, what I expected you to do in your reread is help us find scum. Reading through D1 and spending time calling dead townies scum is not helping us find scum. Besides just curiosity, this is why I would expect you to read the flips and act accordingly. Otherwise, your reread is full of unhelpful garbage.
On the subject of DGB, please throw more of a fit and fish for my information a little harder.
I am perfectly serious about DGB, and I will tell everyone why right now but it does involve night actions and some role information, more hers than mine. I kind of like the idea of fucking with scum and making them wonder how important it is to try to kill one or both of us. However, I am not totally against telling it either. I resent that IS is throwing a tantrum though and demanding it instead of talking to me reasonably, so I'm sticking out my tongue.
Sorry princess, you cant expect me to "go fish" and play your little games just because its amusing to your cutesy friends in fairyland. You want me to lay off DBGScum, you want me to change what I believe, then YOU need to lay out the god damn evidence. YOU need to lay out some rock solid points instead of expecting me to get all googly eyed at you everytime you post.
I made a case of why DBG is scum, now you make yours why shes not.
And this does get
IS+7
. EK had already stated explicitly that her reasons were role-related. Not then giving DGB the benefit of the doubt is bad enough, but continually pressing is inexcusable.
Vote: IS
since he now has the high score.
IS wrote:
The fact that Vollkan is trying to act all inquisitive while at the same time accusatory while at the same time not hopping on the wagon reeks of scum not wanting to jump on my blatantly townie wagon in order to look good.
You're alleging an inconsistency here when there isn't one. Being "inquisitive" and "accusatory" are preparatory steps to actually finding somebody scummy (ie. joining your "blatantly town wagon").
IS wrote:
1) Went after Scooby with really crappy reasoning
2) Remained "skeptical" on the pops wagon and started hovering
2a) Is doing the same on my wagon. Vollkan is still hovering.
1) Already addressed multiple times by pointing out that I explicitly said I didn't think scooby was scummy; it was just a good early wagon.
2) YES. I WAS "HOVERING" AROUND A WAGON THAT I WAS EXPLICITLY AGAINST.
2a) No; I've been trying to understand it better.
Vollkan is clearly trying to look committed by being non-committal. Meaning he deliberates on wagons and throws all the points out there but never votes for them. Notice how he pegged a vote on Scooby, gave a realy craptastic reason for it but yet remained active all day and threaded water with the pops wagon.
This looks like scum thats trying to avoid getting sucked up into vote counts.
Vollkan is a perfect middle of the ground scum.
Not having strong reads =/= Non-committal.
You again repeat the hackneyed scooby argument, this time going so far that you imply that, not only did I suspect scooby contrary to my express assertions otherwise, but that I was avoiding said suspicion by commenting on pops.
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The whole Umbrage-rage argument is too Fate + GreyICE like for me to even stomach reading. Suffice to say, this sort of thing is anti-town and null.
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I could really go for a vollkan or UT lynch at this point. I mean, if this really is a clusterfuck of town-town fighting, scum are sitting there laughing, so we should wagon somebody who is quietly fueling the fire (vollkan, LG) or somebody who has done noooooooooothing (UT).
EK+5
Aside from the "Let's move over here" element, the bigger problem here is that it's basically a more subtle form of dividing the players into camps and then lynching based on those camps. There probably is, just on statistics, some town-town fighting. That doesn't mean that everybody fighting is therefore town. Equally, whilst there may well be scum sitting in the shadows, that doesn't mean that everybody who is in the thick of it is necessarily scum
I'm assuming here that DGB's role is some sort of friendly neighbour role. Even if that's not the case, it's what EK claims to believe.
EK's actions don't add up. If, upon receiving the omelette, she thought it meant DGB was confirmed town, the first logical thing she would do is tell us about it.
But that's not what she did. She kept insisting DGB was town, but she never proved it when she could've all along. She let IS an myself rant for a while before she revealed the omelette. Why?
Similarly, DGB's first thought today should be about EK. She gave EK the omelette for a reason. Why?
EK had the knowledge that DGB was town the whole day. I'm not convinced that DGB being the Chicken Lady means she's town, but EK said she did. As far as she knew, she could confirm DGB, and yet she didn't.
Look. Either the omelette is harmless or it isn't. If it is, it's definitely some sort of friendly neighbour role, or whatever it's called. If so, DGB would use it to become confirmed town. That's it's only possible use.
So why, when targeted with a role she believed was used so that DGB can be confirmed town, did EK not immediately confirm DGB?
Furthermore, why didn't DGB try and confirm herself? At any time, she could've asked EK to say what happened.
The only explanation is that the omelette is NOT used in this way.
The omelette CAN'T be something good, or DGB would've said what it was. There's no point in giving a fellow townie a gift if they have no idea what to do with it.
So either the omelette's something bad, and it didn't work on EK, or there is no omelette.
If the former, DGB is either scum or a vig/vig-like role. If the latter, EK and DGB are scum together.
Let's assume the omelette is something bad. The fact that it apparently didn't work on EK means something. If an ability has different effects on different people, it's pretty much guaranteed to be based on alignment, like a CPR Doc.
So if DGB is town, she got an alignment result on EK. Which begs the question: WHY DIDN'T SHE SAY ANYTHING?
DGB: explain what the omelettes do now.
I'm not rolefishing. I'm just trying to see if there's any possible way EK and DGB can be town. Forget everything else. Think about it: THEIR ACTIONS MAKE NO SENSE. No matter what the omelette is or does, it has to do SOMETHING, and either EK or DGB had to have gotten a result from it. WHY DIDN'T THEY SAY ANYTHING?
If you were given power-related information that a player was confirmed town, you would instantly confirm them, even though you wouldn't know the nature of their power? (aside from the fact that nothing here actually does make DGB confirmed-town)
Also, the net conclusion you draw is basically that DGB's role is uncertain - so you then demand that she reveal everything about it?
Umbrage+5
