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I'm potentially down for Nexus though I still hold out hope for a cow or shmugen wagon

NC wrote:Maybe its just me but I would think his "oh look someone is doing something I did!!!" would make him lean towards whatever alligment he was. It also seems to me that he should have posted whatever alignment he was.

he then states that Sland is null.

then Sland is a scum read for some weak ass reason.

then he reveals that he was town when he did what Sland did. This is not town motivation to me. "Oh look!!! Sland is doing exactly what I did as town but I'm not going to give him a town read or even lean town on him."

Yep. Him doing the same thing that I did as town only means that I believe his explanation. It's not anything more than a null tell, so why should it push me either way? Anecdotal evidence? I don't think so.

NC wrote:@ cow please explain WC, Shumgen, and iece scum reads?

I think they are more likely scum than town. Most of it is gut.

NC, what you're missing about the BB stuff, is that PV was pushing on the breadcrumb, and there was no good reason to push on a breadcrumb like that. It's like rolefishing except it's so blatant that it's more like roledynamitefishing.
Kdub just thinks BB is scum. That's totally different.

↑ Slandaar wrote:See this is why SD is scum.
He hadnt written said post at what a couple hours before deadline?
He clearly had no intention of writing it before deadline, if I got lynched he wouldnt have either as shown by him not writing it now im claimed.
Did he care about who was lynched then? no, not really. If he was sure im scum (and hes town) he should have got his case out, he did not.

You are aware that you claimed on Thursday, right? The point is not that I did not write it but that I had to scrap and bin it... And if you are still so convinced that I am scum your constantly going for other waggons makes no sense at all and my demand for explanation is still entirely ignored and unanswered by you as far as I can recall. I don't know what you thinking, I don't get you guy.

@Kdup: I don't know exactly you got obsessed with the Fen/BB case, but your overfocussing has definitely long been far from rational. It's not advantageous for town to lynch him today for tactical reasons. Case (temporarily) closed.
And just to point your newest flaw: BB did not really correct or change his claim, all he did was clarifying some aspects of it and giving his interpretation which you have good reasons to diagree with, but none to call him a liar for.

↑ Nero Cain wrote:

manufactured reads/WC and Shmugen distancing

When cow called WC scum and said Shumgen was leaning scum, Shumgen had absolutly no responce

Had Cow made a case against me, Nero, I may have responded depending on the quality. I certainly do not respond to people thinking I'm leaning scum. I'm not here to impress them.

I don't know what you are talking about Shmugescum. I answered all your questions. What do you think I missed?

But since you like questions so much....please explain the following.

↑ Shmugen wrote:
I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied. Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

↑ Shmugen wrote:
VOTE: PeregrineV

What changed between these two posts?

What I asked you was simple, Nero. Did you truly see Hascow asking you to use quotes in your case against him as a stall tactic? How was his request the tipping point to make you vote him?

I'll even answer your question to me in an attempt to show you by example how to do things. What changed, other than 171 posts? Slandaar becoming mod-confirmed town, PV continued to push BB hard on minor points when he became practically ineligible for lynching today, and one day until a deadline.

↑ BBmolla wrote:I claimed it 8 posts later. It's clear that my thought process wasn't "I'm going to claim two and hide this one." it's "These are my abilities and why he breadcrumbed you twats! Oh yeah, forgot, this less important ability too that I feel fine claiming because I don't care."

I still think it is more likely that you revised your claim to cover the issue I pointed out (and the "fullclaim" thing), but at least you finally addressed the issue.

↑ BBmolla wrote:My ISO in other games? Or this one? My activity was shot in all my games cause I'm a complete retard and replaced into a ton to help even though I didn't have time for them all. Posting in GD takes a very different time effort than rereading/scumhunting.

And why was this game a lower priority than the others you were posting content in, given how close the deadline is?

↑ BBmolla wrote:If you think I'm scum, why do you think I would not know the scum kill method? There isn't something right with your logic buddy.

What? This is only valid if we assume you wouldn't lie as scum. I just gave you a whole list of plausible kill methods that you asked for BTW, you still want to claim that you didn't consider any of those?

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:@Kdup: I don't know

when

exactly you got obsessed with the Fen/BB case, but your overfocussing has definitely long been far from rational. It's not advantageous for town to lynch him today for tactical reasons. Case (temporarily) closed.
And just to point your newest flaw: BB did not really correct or change his claim, all he did was clarifying some aspects of it and giving his interpretation which you have good reasons to diagree with, but none to call him a liar for.

I realize that it is unlikely that BB will be today's lynch given the general sentiment and the approaching deadline, and I said I would switch my vote if need be. However, his claim definitely does not take him off the table as a viable lynch at any point. I am more confident in him being scum than any other player at the moment, and I am not going to suddenly drop this case just because he is unlikely to be lynched.

Nero:
I'm not really seeing it. hasd didn't go much farther than saying that Slandaar was leaning scum, he certainly didn't outright call him scum, and his level of suspicion seemed consistent. Now that we know Slandaar is town, don't you think scum would have pushed his lynch harder rather than putting him below WC/Shmugen who you think he was distancing from?

I do not understand the Nexus wagon. It seems like a lurker policy lynch.

If it comes down to the deadline among the players with multiple votes, I prefer WC, Peregrine, Nexus, hasd in that order, but will support any of them to avoid no lynch.

↑ Kdub wrote:And why was this game a lower priority than the others you were posting content in, given how close the deadline is?

It was way longer than any of my other games.

↑ Kdub wrote:What? This is only valid if we assume you wouldn't lie as scum. I just gave you a whole list of plausible kill methods that you asked for BTW, you still want to claim that you didn't consider any of those?

I find them all very implausible as a scum normal kill.

Why is Slandaar flipped, did I miss something?

Hi guys! I'm replacing Midnight's Sorrow.
Will catch up soon, but frankly there's like 30 pages.
Can I take some time? Seems Town is doing fine here. Only that deadline is very imminent.

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Can I take some time?

I answer for the rest of the town; no.

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:
Seems Town is doing fine here.Only that deadline is very imminent.

Yes and how would you know if the town is doing fine or not? does not make a lot of sense.

↑ Slandaar wrote:

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Can I take some time?

I answer for the rest of the town; no.

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:
Seems Town is doing fine here.Only that deadline is very imminent.

Yes and how would you know if the town is doing fine or not? does not make a lot of sense.

Bro, don't take out your hard feelings of another game to me on this one. I see that you are confirmed Town here? That's good. Good. For your sake.

I dont hold hard feelings towards anyone, thanks.

Your post is genuinely scummy.

I am conftown yes, therefore your question is best suited for me to answer, I said no.

So you better read up or did you ask an absolutely pointles question so you have an excuse?

Seriously? 30 pages to make up my mind?
Seems to me Town has no good lynch target to opt for, what I say probably is useless. I'd rather just take some time to read during the night phase.
Oh and being confirmed Town doesn't mean you can speak for their entirety.

Town has no good lynch target?

Hi scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dr

Yeah Fearmongering, asking pointless questions, seems to say town is doing fine then says no good lynch

Scum

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:
Seems Town is doing fine here.Only that deadline is very imminent.

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:
Seems to me Town has no good lynch target to opt for, what I say probably is useless.

Lets just focus on the main part of why dr is scum;

These 2 quotes firstly contradict and secondly how does dr have an opinion of this without being scum himself?

I've stated the most basic facts. Will I get lynched? No, I don't think so.

How is this a fact; 'town has no good lynch target' without knowing the alignment of wagoned players exactly?
How is this a fact; 'town is doing fine here' when you have not read the thread? without knowing alignment of wagoned players or having an opinion on them?

Oh noes, it's jerk wars

SD trying to save his buddy

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:Oh noes, it's jerk wars

Jerk Wars Episode IV: A New Jerk

↑ hasdgfas wrote:
NC, what you're missing about the BB stuff, is that PV was pushing on the breadcrumb, and there was no good reason to push on a breadcrumb like that. It's like rolefishing except it's so blatant that it's more like roledynamitefishing.
Kdub just thinks BB is scum. That's totally different.

Fennin crumbs yoda. PV says "oh I think that crumbing Yoda is scummy." I really don't see how that's rolefishing and I also don't see how PV calling BB scum is different then kdub calling BB scum. And if BB flips scum....well then PV was right. Even if he pegged BB for the "wrong reasons" and unless you think PV is bussing BB then he's scumhunting.

What is your read on BB?

↑ Shmugen wrote:

↑ Nero Cain wrote:

manufactured reads/WC and Shmugen distancing

When cow called WC scum and said Shumgen was leaning scum, Shumgen had absolutly no responce

Had Cow made a case against me, Nero, I may have responded depending on the quality. I certainly do not respond to people thinking I'm leaning scum. I'm not here to impress them.

So you don't really care about how people perceive your slot. As long as you don't get lynched right?

Shmugen wrote:

Nero wrote:

↑ Shmugen wrote:
I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied. Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

↑ Shmugen wrote:
VOTE: PeregrineV

What changed between these two posts?

What I asked you was simple, Nero. Did you truly see Hascow asking you to use quotes in your case against him as a stall tactic? How was his request the tipping point to make you vote him?

I'll even answer your question to me in an attempt to show you by example how to do things. What changed, other than 171 posts? Slandaar becoming mod-confirmed town, PV continued to push BB hard on minor points when he became practically ineligible for lynching today, and one day until a deadline.

cute. I'm not stupid. I know there were posts between your PV townish read and the vote for him. What specificly did he do for you to drop a town read and have a scum read? Oh, he kept pushing his #1 scum suspect. Thats like the entire point of this game. You and has using that as a scumtell is incredible bad and horribly scummy.

Maybe it was on over-reaction on my part but I still don't have a town read on the slot. At the time I felt like he knew what I was talking about, when he asked me I felt it was scum trying to delay the process and be frustrating. As you noted earlier I had been trying to gather support for a HasCow lynch . I felt it was as good as time as any to lead a lynch on someone I find scummy.

please explain your town hascow read.

↑ Nero Cain wrote:

↑ Shmugen wrote:

↑ Nero Cain wrote:

manufactured reads/WC and Shmugen distancing

When cow called WC scum and said Shumgen was leaning scum, Shumgen had absolutly no responce

Had Cow made a case against me, Nero, I may have responded depending on the quality. I certainly do not respond to people thinking I'm leaning scum. I'm not here to impress them.

So you don't really care about how people perceive your slot. As long as you don't get lynched right?

Correct. Now, if someone had some serious allegations against me and a wagon was getting traction, I'd be happy to defend myself, but people postulating that I might be scum doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Shmugen wrote:

Nero wrote:

↑ Shmugen wrote:
I'm not voting PV because he leans town for me. A lot of people have scum reads on PV and the reasons are going over my head. WC's case on PV was based on lack of good content in his ISO, a lack that has been remedied. Do I find it impossible for him to be scum? Far from it, but I'd much rather rid town of you.

↑ Shmugen wrote:
VOTE: PeregrineV

What changed between these two posts?

What I asked you was simple, Nero. Did you truly see Hascow asking you to use quotes in your case against him as a stall tactic? How was his request the tipping point to make you vote him?

I'll even answer your question to me in an attempt to show you by example how to do things. What changed, other than 171 posts? Slandaar becoming mod-confirmed town, PV continued to push BB hard on minor points when he became practically ineligible for lynching today, and one day until a deadline.

cute. I'm not stupid. I know there were posts between your PV townish read and the vote for him. What specificly did he do for you to drop a town read and have a scum read? Oh, he kept pushing his #1 scum suspect. Thats like the entire point of this game. You and has using that as a scumtell is incredible bad and horribly scummy.

Maybe it was on over-reaction on my part but I still don't have a town read on the slot. At the time I felt like he knew what I was talking about, when he asked me I felt it was scum trying to delay the process and be frustrating. As you noted earlier I had been trying to gather support for a HasCow lynch

b/c I want steak for dinner

. I felt it was as good as time as any to lead a lynch on someone I find scummy.

please explain your town hascow read.

What PV specifically did was keep pushing on BB after the claim. While powers are not indicative of alignment, I think at this point the early breadcrumbing from Fennin was a dumb mistake or just for fun rather than scum trying to influence town. The way BB's claim rolled out and how BB handled all that is what changed my mind on the breadcrumbing being scummy. Now, BB claims a power that is advantageous to town and is testable, and PV still wants him dead today.

I appreciate the humility in the admission of possible over-reaction, truly. I don't have a town read on the slot either except that Cow thinks similarly to me on some points and I'm town. I did little more than skim the past game and I understand that Malee was looking scummy, hence my lack of town read. I'm still on the rocks with my thoughts on blasters. I'm tempted to think scum don't have them, or at least very little influence on the blaster situation. I doubt we're going to get blaster counts in the morning, which makes Cow not testable, but a double-blaster vote seems like a town power.