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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:09 am
by saulres
Hey look what I found. Just putting it out here.
↑ Kublai Khan wrote:You are a
Player Recruiter
.
At night, PM the mod with the name of a mafia player not in the game and the mod will PM them a random alignment & role.
You win if 5 people actually join the game this way and start playing.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:10 am
by Amrun
Oh, by the way, maniacal lemon is the only role so far that I can't see scum ever getting EVER - it's terrible for town, but absolutely game-breaking for scum.
That being said, I wish he'd be useful.
p-edit: Yes, that role sounds much more reasonable, balance-wise.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:12 am
by BBmolla
?
Yes that's probably where my role came from.
@Amrun:
...That pretty much is my role, except I neighborize them as well. Also minus the third party win condition.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:14 am
by Amrun
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:20 am
by BBmolla
Why would this make more sense. Are you saying it'd make more sense if they flipped a coin to determine my recruit's alignment? Giving either scum a huge bonus or giving town a minimal one? I still retain that's silly.
Also, just looking at my PM, it doesn't even mention alignment it just says they get sent a Role PM.
*shrug*
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:26 am
by Phillammon
My role was heavily modified too, I'm prepared to believe him, tbh.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:38 am
by Amrun
↑ BBmolla wrote:
Why would this make more sense. Are you saying it'd make more sense if they flipped a coin to determine my recruit's alignment? Giving either scum a huge bonus or giving town a minimal one? I still retain that's silly.
Also, just looking at my PM, it doesn't even mention alignment it just says they get sent a Role PM.
*shrug*
So you DON'T KNOW your recruitment's alignment.
And yes, recruits being of either alignment is definitely more balanced than all of one or the other. Without the random modifier, especially, the mod can just decide which alignment is better for balance and the gamestate. It also proves my point of how terrible your argument for yourself being town is.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:01 pm
by Captain Haddock
↑ BBmolla wrote: ↑ Captain Haddock wrote:A. There's no benefit to quicklynching compared to lynching later, and you argued the pros if 2birds was town.
B. Is the most ridiculous excuse I've ever read. Why not quicklynch every game to be nice to replacements
A proved that roles are possibly bastard. This is really fucking important.
B, replacements voluntarily join a game, I recruited Tierce, meaning she just got thrown a PM(according to her she wasn't even asked if she wanted to play). Wouldn't you be upset if you got a role PM for a game you didn't sign up for and had to read 30 pages to catch up?
Your arguments are shit Haddock.
A. That would make it all right if he was quicklynched and flipped town?
B. I didn't think of that but if I didn't want to play I would replace out. I do know I would still want a decent amount of pages.
So shit you have to ignore half of them? I only really wanted the bottom half of it answered. That you devolve discussion about your alignment to your role is very telling. It's also very telling that you've only been defending yourself today rather than pushing a suspect. Here's the quote.
↑ Captain Haddock wrote:91,
93
These are the first two really scummy posts from BBmolla. He, despite being an experienced player, disagrees with basic principles of mafia to justify an anti-town stance on quicklynching, even though he must know that quicklynching wastes a Day and is only in scum's interest. In the second he said scum would defend a buddy doomed from Day 1, and argued the pros of a 2birds quicklynch if he was town! I really can't see any of that coming from town.
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This is the worst post of all, and was completely ignored by everybody else. He asks another player if he has a power! What townie wants to reveal if someone has an active power? This strikes me as semi-subtle rolefishing he thought(correctly...) he could get away with.
361
This is the first time he called me scum,
coincidently
after I was put under a little pressure. I expect he was hoping I would go off him when he first responded to me, because before then he didn't give an opinion at
all
. This blatent opportunism was also ignored.
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If BBmolla was trying to draw the nighkill, why has he posted 0 reasons for lynching anyone? Whenever he's voted since the guilty child his "reasoning" was some variation of:"his posts suck", even though his own posts were rolefishing, fluff and going on about his role.
BBmolla either purposely avoided it or isn't reading half the thread because it appeared at the TOP of page 25 AND I linked to it.
↑ Phillammon wrote:
Point 2 I've already made my position clear on. He's disregarding what was actually said in favour of subtext. Subtext, I hasten to add, utterly contradicted by said actual wording. I'm willing to take it on face value.
HE ASKED HIM IF HE HAD AN ACTIVE POWER! HOW IS THAT TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT? IS ASKING SOMEONE ABOUT A POST RESTRICTION ROLEFISHING?
↑ BBmolla wrote:@Haddock
: What is your read on Oversoul?
null-town.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:04 pm
by Tierce
Oh for pity's sake.
VOTE: Oversoul
And no, I am not going to softclaim my role to you.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:07 pm
by Oversoul
BBmolla... these last two pages... holy crap. :\
Why would you vote Maniacal?
Tierce, I wouldn't have asked you to, slumlord.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:09 pm
by PokerFace
<<catching up working on a post I don't want prodded while writing it
btw I doubt anyone will be able to give an answer to this, but did anyone by chance find an indication in the worst ideas thread about MB going off when he did? Apart from his PR changing it all seems rather random. I know this is worst ideas and all but I was expecting something much more climantic. Maybe I just ain't read enough yet
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:34 pm
by knox
↑ PokerFace wrote:<<catching up working on a post I don't want prodded while writing it
btw I doubt anyone will be able to give an answer to this, but did anyone by chance find an indication in the worst ideas thread about MB going off when he did? Apart from his PR changing it all seems rather random. I know this is worst ideas and all but I was expecting something much more climantic. Maybe I just ain't read enough yet
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:34 pm
by knox
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:30 pm
by PokerFace
I suppose that could be it. Most solid answer I can find. Still strikes me as arbitrary for an attention whore. Gonna break my writings up into parts so its easier to convey what I'm thinking while I'm catching up.
Part 1:
↑ BBmolla wrote:My post restriction is actually fake.
Any other reasoning for thinking I'm scum?
Yes. Faking a PR as you did while
dodging my earlier questions for one
and that is something all scum PR fakers wish to achieve. They wish to dodge suspicion as long as possible. Thank you for admiting to that deed. You should have no trouble answering my questions now so let's see how well you do.
bolded is me
↑ BBmolla wrote:Feel free to ask me whatever.
If I was scum faking a PR, I'd make sure it was flawless. If you honestly think that's the case here, you're silly.
I still said what I wanted to say through my rhymes.
Poker's "case" on me is still trash.
His first reason is him applying his meta to me, which is dumb as hell. "Trying to look or appear confirmed" is not something I do as scum or town in particular. If he can find meta of me attempting to confirm myself as town as scum, then I'll concede that point.
Actually the tell I was applying is a fairly common scum tell. I for example have done it before and so have some other players in many mafia games. I am fairly certain this tell is in the wiki somewhere. I was trying to accuse you of the tell and prove how common it was since I didn't want to search the entire wiki for it. I'll try to search it soon and see if I find though. I'd be very surprised if I'm the nly person that has heard of this tell
His second has to do with some bullshit about the masons. My stance is pretty obvious, even through the rhymes. If they're both normal masons, one of them is probably scum. If they claim that they have something different about them that makes them worst, they're probably town.
Actually looking at what he linked, he's a moron. Obviously if a Guilty Child flips town,
normal masons in this game probably aren't normal.
I don't even think masons claimed at that point (could be wrong)
They didn't
but I was just providing
an example of common knowledge
that probably doesn't apply to this game.
At the time you gave this opinion the status of the guilty childs flip wasn't completly established. You yourself brought it into question so you can't relate that as a the entire reason for the opinion you gave
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3956818
Common knowledge of Masons is that there are almost always confirmed. The role was originally designed to always be confirmed. Some mods thought it would be fun to alter the meta of the role, others thought it wouldn't. As a result some people believe all games that have unconfirmed masons to be bastard games. This eventually led to some players seeking to rename such unconfirmed occurances of the role. I coined the term neighbors as a result of this. If you were trying to express the common knowledge that they are not usually confirmed you are wrong. If you were trying to say they are unlikly confirmed here, then you were speculating at a time they hadn't claimed which I consider to be a scummy action. Speculating is unlikly to gain us any ground in this game since pretty much any small thing can make a role bastard. Compare the claimed worst issues so far and some are far worse that others. Some are actually quite fun and not really that worst at all. So in sumation I have made my point you speculated at a poor time about an unclaimed character set that commonly helps the town. Scum always want to bring down power roles credibility
And then he's calling me scum for using a fake PR. Congrats, it's fake. See "If I was scum faking..."
So I proved you dodged me and my point about your mason argument. Looks like my case is right about you so far
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3973242
↑ BBmolla wrote: ↑ BBmolla wrote:It's also quite possible that there is more to my role
I won't reveal more, it'd harm my soul.
However, it'll probably be pretty obvious in time
That there's a reason my posts are wierd, but rhyme.
^This is me obviously dropping hints that I'm super duper important or something(when I clearly just claimed my whole role). Considering the actual weakness of my ability, I figured trying to draw the night kill couldn't hurt.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you said this before you ever acted worried about recruiting scum. yay I'm not buying this. Gonna keep reading and writing though in case I find a better case. Might have a beer while I do it too.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:51 pm
by Gimmicky Alt
/prod recieved
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:20 pm
by BBmolla
↑ Amrun wrote: ↑ BBmolla wrote:
Why would this make more sense. Are you saying it'd make more sense if they flipped a coin to determine my recruit's alignment? Giving either scum a huge bonus or giving town a minimal one? I still retain that's silly.
Also, just looking at my PM, it doesn't even mention alignment it just says they get sent a Role PM.
*shrug*
So you DON'T KNOW your recruitment's alignment.
And yes, recruits being of either alignment is definitely more balanced than all of one or the other. Without the random modifier, especially, the mod can just decide which alignment is better for balance and the gamestate. It also proves my point of how terrible your argument for yourself being town is.
This is nothing new, why are you acting like I said something different before.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:23 pm
by BBmolla
↑ Captain Haddock wrote:This is the first time he called me scum, coincidently after I was put under a little pressure. I expect he was hoping I would go off him when he first responded to me, because before then he didn't give an opinion at all. This blatent opportunism was also ignored.
Your case is such complete shit and ignored players who were doing scummier things, which is why I voted you. I have a hard time telling between dumb and scum.
↑ Captain Haddock wrote:If BBmolla was trying to draw the nighkill, why has he posted 0 reasons for lynching anyone? Whenever he's voted since the guilty child his "reasoning" was some variation of:"his posts suck", even though his own posts were rolefishing, fluff and going on about his role.
If you're not a god damned PR you should
ALWAYS
be trying to draw the nightkill. What does my reasons for voting have to do with drawing the nightkill?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:24 pm
by Amrun
Because your entire argument is 100% moot. I was driving that home.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:24 pm
by BBmolla
↑ Oversoul wrote:BBmolla... these last two pages... holy crap. :\
Why would you vote Maniacal?
Tierce, I wouldn't have asked you to, slumlord.
Man this post is sure productive and contributive.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:24 pm
by BBmolla
↑ Amrun wrote:Because your entire argument is 100% moot. I was driving that home.
What's my argument again?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:26 pm
by Amrun
Why should I have to tell you that?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:29 pm
by BBmolla
↑ PokerFace wrote:I for example have done it before
↑ PokerFace wrote:His first reason is him applying his meta to me, which is dumb as hell.
I'm so glad you didn't read what I said.
↑ PokerFace wrote:Common knowledge of Masons is that there are almost always confirmed. The role was originally designed to always be confirmed. Some mods thought it would be fun to alter the meta of the role, others thought it wouldn't. As a result some people believe all games that have unconfirmed masons to be bastard games. This eventually led to some players seeking to rename such unconfirmed occurances of the role. I coined the term neighbors as a result of this. If you were trying to express the common knowledge that they are not usually confirmed you are wrong. If you were trying to say they are unlikly confirmed here, then you were speculating at a time they hadn't claimed which I consider to be a scummy action. Speculating is unlikly to gain us any ground in this game since pretty much any small thing can make a role bastard. Compare the claimed worst issues so far and some are far worse that others. Some are actually quite fun and not really that worst at all. So in sumation I have made my point you speculated at a poor time about an unclaimed character set that commonly helps the town. Scum always want to bring down power roles credibility
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
"BBMOLLA IS SCUM BECAUSE HE SAID IN A RHETORIC THAT WAS COMPARING OTHER NORMAL THINGS WE TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT ARE CONFIRMED BY THE MOD TO NOT BE CONFIRMED BY THE MOD. ALSO SOMEHOW HE KNEW THERE WERE MASONS, OBVIOUSLY HE'S SCUM. AND HE'S TRYING TO DISCREDIT THEM BY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY HAVE SOME WIERD MODIFIER OR IF THEY'RE NORMAL, THE LATTER WHICH WOULD PROBABLY MAKE ONE SCUM WHICH IS WHY IT WOULD BE WORST."
Seriously, why are you trying so hard to bullshit a case on me.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:30 pm
by BBmolla
↑ Amrun wrote:Why should I have to tell you that?
I want to know what you think it is. Because clearly we have to different ideas about what it is in mind.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:31 pm
by BBmolla
↑ PokerFace wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but you said this before you ever acted worried about recruiting scum. yay I'm not buying this. Gonna keep reading and writing though in case I find a better case. Might have a beer while I do it too.
WHAT YOU QUOTED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RECRUITING SCUM
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:32 pm
by BBmolla
It's like I'm arguing with a bunch mastins holy shit dude.
