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Day 1, Votecount 30

penguin_alien (7) - Deasvail, Konowa, Shadoweh, Llamarble, Wickedestjr, Nachomamma8, Vi

N (7) - Tierce, CrashTextDummie, Empire, penguin_alien, Tammy, Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum

CrashTextDummie (2) - N, Johhog

Not voting (0) :

NO ONE

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 5th of March at 00:38am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 20:30:28)
  
• NO ONE is V/la

Less than 8 hours until deadline.

I was just going through the game Nacho linked; that was a year and a half ago. If he's not been playing in alts and/or hydras and/or outside MS, I expect his scum game to be quite rusty, and so wouldn't be surprised if that made him scum in this game.

Game of the Year was quite a different concept, the mimes to be lynched.

↑ Faraday wrote:CrashTextDummie (2) - N, Johhog

This is ridiculous.

Holy wall surge. I won't be reading up here till night. Has N really not claimed yet? ZzzZzzzz

Penguin?

unvote vote Penguin

Won't have time to go through that game right now since I'm now on my way to a bullshit graduation assembly + a two hour seminar after but thanks for the link Nacho.

Benmage, penguin already claimed VT.

Well we need a lynch.

And plus we can use this mislynch against Vi.

Ridiculous maybe, but how many scumbags do you know that forget to vote their own counterwagons when it means they'll probably be lynched?

...so you know it's a mislynch but want to use it against Vi. When some of my wagon is there in part due to believing that I'm scum on a team with Vi. Good luck with that.

Nachomamma8, the only thing that tips CES in my mind is his not buying into the CTD wagon where he could have, but a lot of my take on him would depend on how he reacts to having a flip from the list of his scum team. If he was pushing on me and then planned to use my town flip to write off N and Vi, I'd find that suspicious. Since I think N is scum, I don't think it makes much sense for him to bus his teammate for the sake of supporting a lynch on me, since I don't know that he'd have much success with using that tactic on Vi any time soon given how people are wanting him to stay alive for a while before committing to reads there. As such, a 1:1 trade isn't super-useful for him. It's not a strong town read, but based on what's there it's where I am on him.

WRT DeasVail, I'm probably not very objective on him, since he's been pushing his scum read on me quite a bit off some flimsy evidence. Despite that, his early game play showed a willingness to take a risk, even if it wasn't optimal, and he had a number of posts from the start of the day not dealing with that move that were actively questioning people on what he saw as non-optimal behavior.

On my way out the door; I'll elaborate on Benmage, Empire, Tammy, Tierce, and Vi later if there's time before hammer, although it boils down to their posts being reactive without being self-conscious.

↑ Shadoweh wrote:Ridiculous maybe, but how many scumbags do you know that forget to vote their own counterwagons when it means they'll probably be lynched?

I, for one. It's not a matter of forgetting, it's a matter that not doing so makes you look not-survivalistic and you really don't lose a lot by not voting your counterwagon. i.e. it is beneficial for scum not to vote their counterwagon in this kind of situation.


Empire, I know you are busy, but if you have a little time before the hammer, if you could shed some light on Vi, that'd be great.

Now I know I'm trying to cut back on my bitterness output in this game, but where were the last two pages three days ago?

I feel like I should do something, but I don't know what and won't get more time for another few hours.

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:wicked-empire-johhog is my favorite call, I think

This is a surrealist masterpiece.

↑ Shadoweh wrote:Ridiculous maybe, but how many scumbags do you know that forget to vote their own counterwagons when it means they'll probably be lynched?

Have you heard of "refuge in audacity"?

Penguin-alien's analysis post, while not as awesome-town as Nacho's, was at least 10 times more pro-town than anything N has done over the entire day combined. I see his entire conduct over the last couple of pages, including his refusal to claim, as entirely bereft of any pro town motivation or thinking. He's riding the "too scummy to be scum" angle to the finish line and for some incomprehensible reason, enough people are buying it that penguin-alien looks like today's lynch. Feh.

Nothing seems worth commenting on and/or replying to now aside from this:

penguin wrote:Wickedestjr--His early play this day phase felt town, but he's been slipping over to a scum read as things progress.

1:

I think him not wanting N lynched with the little hook of 'not saying why' and not being willing to follow up on that, yet

2:

telling people to vote for me or N reads like an unwillingness to take a stance.

3:

How does he define the distinction between being opportunistic and persuaded to change one's mind anyways? His early interest in Shadoweh as linked with CTD showed more of a willingness to stick his neck out that petered out. Leaning scum

I explained the 'not saying why' comment. I asked you what my motivation as scum would be to say that and you didn't answer. Hint: There is no scum benefit behind saying 'not saying why'. If I was mafia who had a scum-motive for keeping N alive but was keeping said reason to myself, then why would I even bother to say 'not saying why', thus drawing attention to it? Hint: I wouldn't.
UNWILLINGNESS TO TAKE A STANCE?!?! Are you effing kidding me? I'm voting you and have clearly stated that I suspect you, but don't suspect N. How the hell am I unwilling to take a stance? Read the thread please. I told people to vote you or N because those were the two bandwagons which had potential imo- and I don't want a no-lynch to occur.
It's fine to be persuaded to change your mind occasionally, but I have issue with your play because:

• If not opportunistic, then both of your serious votes were result of persuasion by other players.
  
• Both of your votes followed a few other votes for the same player.
  
• The case on N (for the most part) was not only obvious (meaning not much persuasion necessary), but present for most of the game.

Somebody please hammer penguin.

UNVOTE: CrashTextDummie
VOTE: penguin_alien

Shocking, people I suspect as scum finding that part of my posts to be the only relevant part, calling for a hammer, and placing the hammer. I am a VT, but since I'd say that as scum I would consider it to be of limited utility.

Wickedestjr: #1: WIFOM much? #2: I maintain that your willingness to see N lynched instead of me, rather than persuading people to lynch me throughout, reads as non-committal. YMMV. #3: I don't generally change my mind on a dime; I tend to pursue my scum reads until I have a concrete reason to shift--see Micro 99. So lynch me...oh, wait. Right.

Off for a late lunch; if there's time before the flip I may get back to fleshing out those town reads, otherwise when I flip town at least you'll know they were sincere.

↑ CrashTextDummie wrote:Penguin-alien's analysis post, while not as awesome-town as Nacho's, was at least 10 times more pro-town than anything N has done over the entire day combined. I see his entire conduct over the last couple of pages, including his refusal to claim, as entirely bereft of any pro town motivation or thinking. He's riding the "too scummy to be scum" angle to the finish line and for some incomprehensible reason, enough people are buying it that penguin-alien looks like today's lynch. Feh.

After having some time to think it over... yes. I was wondering if unvoting and hoping for No Lynch at deadline was a good idea, but if we had to lynch someone, it wouldn't be p_a just for the sake of best-worst-case-scenario. I was probably going to feel like I made the wrong move no matter what, but I think I actually did.

penguin_alien
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bye_bye

#YOLO PINGU

penguin_alien - was lynched Day 1.

CrashTextDummie - was killed Night 1.


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Johhog is from Sweden. Johhog is either Henrik Larrson or IKEA made flesh. I know, I know. The latter makes no sense. But in actuality Johhog is a desk. Now unforunately when everyone came to use him in the morning he'd been disassembled. Fuck. I guess that's the equivalent of death for a piece of furniture. FUCK. #YOLO

Johhog - was killed Night 1.

Day 2, Votecount 0

Not voting (13) :

Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum, Deasvail, Empire, Konowa, Llamarble, OhGodMyLife, Nachomamma8, Shadoweh, Tammy, Tierce, Vi, Wickedestjr

• With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 21st of March at 11:15pm GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-21 19:15:44)
  
• WickedestJr is V/la

#WALRUS

#BUKKIT

VOTE: OhGodMyLife