Because the first option is an easy win for scum if Mac is town. If Mac is scum, however, then they cannot pursue that option. Since scum did not pursue that option, Mac is scum.
In post 725, frog wrote:Because the first option is an easy win for scum if Mac is town. If Mac is scum, however, then they cannot pursue that option. Since scum did not pursue that option, Mac is scum.
Can you explain this better please? I'm having a hard time following your logic.
Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:34 pm
by Xiao Long
*tumbleweed*
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:06 am
by frog
As you said earlier, Nic could easily have pounced on you and tried to get you lynched. This wouldn't have been hard, if we assume Mac is town (since at the time he suspected you and after that vote he'd have likely gone for you). If Mac votes Xiao then Nic's partner hammers for the win. If Mac is not town then we get into that messsy situation I described earlier, where at least one of you/Nic/Mac is scum and people question why two people pounced on the same guy and there's no quickhammer (or, if mac refuses to vote, he's asked 'why?' since if you're town and voted in Lylo then voting the person who has voted you is the correct play, and he's at a loss to explain himself).
Since scum did not take this seemingly easy win, which would have been taken if Mac were town, it points towards Mac being scum.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:31 am
by Mac
lol.
Except scum did try to take the easy win by sheeping Xiao onto me.
It's not difficult to work out how hard you are trying to twist this into me being scum. Sadly, it's not working.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:38 am
by frog
lol.
I wasn't talking about scum sheeping Xiao, I was talking about how scum didn't try to get Xiao lynched.
It's not difficult to work out how hard you are trying to misrep me. Sadlt, it's not working.
Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:34 pm
by Xiao Long
In post 729, frog wrote:As you said earlier, Nic could easily have pounced on you and tried to get you lynched. This wouldn't have been hard, if we assume Mac is town (since at the time he suspected you and after that vote he'd have likely gone for you). If Mac votes Xiao then Nic's partner hammers for the win.
Unless he unvotes before Nic's partner can hammer.
(or, if mac refuses to vote, he's asked 'why?' since if you're town and voted in Lylo then voting the person who has voted you is the correct play, and he's at a loss to explain himself).
But Mac did vote for the person who voted for him, so why do you think he's scum now instead of that situation?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:39 am
by frog
I'm sorry, I don't understand your last question? The two situations are different. For Mac voting Nic, Mac could have done that as scum or town. In the proposed situation, townMac has no problem with voting but scumMac does (as when there's no hammer things start to look bleak). The difference here being that he and Nic are on the same wagon and there's no hammer, which is a more tenuous situation that two people voting each other in LyLo with no quickhammer.
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:44 am
by Mac
In post 729, frog wrote:As you said earlier, Nic could easily have pounced on you and tried to get you lynched. This wouldn't have been hard, if we assume Mac is town (since at the time he suspected you and after that vote he'd have likely gone for you). If Mac votes Xiao then Nic's partner hammers for the win. If Mac is not town then we get into that messsy situation I described earlier, where at least one of you/Nic/Mac is scum and people question why two people pounced on the same guy and there's no quickhammer (or, if mac refuses to vote, he's asked 'why?' since if you're town and voted in Lylo then voting the person who has voted you is the correct play, and he's at a loss to explain himself).
Since scum did not take this seemingly easy win, which would have been taken if Mac were town, it points towards Mac being scum.
I am completely lost by this.
you are trying to accuse me of being scum for voting Nic and not Xiao?? Because townMac would vote Xiao for voting me first and not Nic?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:50 am
by frog
No, I am not doing anything of the sort. I am saying that, if Nic voted Xiao, scumyou would be in a bad position.
Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 5:21 pm
by Equinox
An error in the countdown in the opening post has been corrected; it now reflects the deadline listed in the vote count.
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 3:37 am
by Mac
In post 735, frog wrote:No, I am not doing anything of the sort. I am saying that, if Nic voted Xiao, scumyou would be in a bad position.
this has no relevance to the matter at hand because that didn't happen. you are trying to add confusion by dreaming up scenarios that never happened.
you say that if Nic voted Xiao scumMac would be in a bad position. But Nic voted me, because I am town & he wanted the win. A fact we have gone over many times.
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:53 am
by frog
Hi, I was asked to engage in this hypothetical scenario. I don't like examining what didn't happen any more than you do.
I have put forward my view, that you and Nic are partners and bussing each other so the other becomes clear for the next day. I have shown that Nic not going for the seemingly easy Xiao lynch hints that Mac is his partner. These are very valid possibilities. Yours is also a possibility (not a 'fact' as we do not know your alignment), and it is Xiao who has to judge them. I've made my case for mine, you've made your case for yours.
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:48 am
by Xiao Long
In post 738, frog wrote: I have shown that Nic not going for the seemingly easy Xiao lynch hints that Mac is his partner.
I think it hints you're his partner more than Mac, because not voting me means Nic sheeped me in hopes of his scumbuddy hammering.
You guys did manage to confuse the living shit out of me in the last four or five posts though.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:22 am
by frog
And yet, if I were scum, it would be far less risky to go for you rather than Mac. Again, I can't explain Nic's actions as I am not Nic, but it should be clear by now that Mac is the scum.
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:25 pm
by Xiao Long
In post 740, frog wrote:And yet, if I were scum, it would be far less risky to go for you rather than Mac.
How? Mac was a scum suspect for a couple people already.
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:08 am
by frog
Perhaps since you'd just voted in LyLo, and, as you have admitted, you were acting in a scummy manner at the start of D3?
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:14 am
by Mac
And I wasn't scummy...?
I was the prime target for scum yesterday. And it almost worked for you but thankfully, Xiao saw sense but unvoted.
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:15 am
by Mac
and unvoted*
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:22 am
by frog
We've been through this before, the entirety of the last page was discussing this hypothetical scenario. Let's not go full circle when the answer is a click away.
Tired of the shouting match between frog and Mac, Xiao Long left the square and headed for the residential district. These past four days had been hard on him, and he was ready for all of it to be over. Still, he had a responsibility to make this right, and he had only one chance. He mulled over the options in his mind. The sky was darkening now, and he could hear the rustling of the trees lining the path as though they were the voices of the dead telling him to make his move. No, he told himself. He couldn't rush this. Besides, the relative calm here allowed him to think. It all came down to what NicCage had been trying to do in accusing Mac yesterday...
The sun had set by the time Xiao Long reached his house. On the porch were frog and Mac, and they turned toward Xiao Long as he approached. This was it, yet he still hadn't decided. Now, though, there was no time. Xiao Long took out a coin. Heads, frog. Tails, Mac. Before the two of them could protest, Xiao Long tossed the coin into the air. When the coin finally hit a patch of grass some distance away, the three of them darted over to see. Xiao Long reached it first. He heaved a sigh and lifted the coin. Heads. There was a scream and a thud, and Xiao Long turned to see Mac tackling frog to the ground. No turning back.
frog,
mafia goon
, was lynched on Day 4!
A win condition has been fulfilled!
What sort of victory celebration could be had with only two people? There was no point to it with everyone else having died or fled. Mac and Xiao Long headed back toward the square. The roads were deserted, the buildings empty. In time, perhaps, the townspeople would return and the city would come back to life, but neither were sure how long that would be or if they would wait at all. The least they could do was spread the news that the scourge of the mafia was gone and hope for the best, whether or not they stuck around to see it. Besides, there were probably other towns that needed a couple of wandering scum hunters.