Open 485: Polygamist Mafia - GAME OVER

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I remember nekoko saying see you have more time come wednesday so if you are getting coldfeet you should wait until then.

Levi and marangal somehow becomes less towny for every day and makes this harder.

Still think vooodoo would be dead by now if she was town.

that's like saying TAM would have to be scum if his lynch didn't go through, which it didn't.

we had two fast wagon's happen, which is what I find to be pretty alarming. and the leader of those two wagons are within the orc/Klick pair

Orc and Klick both pinged my radar early on. Klick with is 180 of me within the first page. I can't figure out what, exactly bugs me about him beyond my reasoning of him using OMGUS early on.

I guess I feel like they are trying to take advantage of the less then active players of this game.

I mean, he advocated a Fuduzn lynch as well IIRC, but of all the lynches he's advocated, that's the only one he hasn't pushed through

It's okay, being wagonleaders is more town than scum.

You can sheep us now.

[Ms Marangal]

what I mean is, Fuduzn is the only wagon he had advocated at some point, but hasn't pushed. He pushed the TAM wagon pretty hard, and he's pushing the Nekoko wagon pretty hard, yet he isn't pushing, and hasn't pushed the Fudu wagon at all.

Pedit: you sure about that? that statement makes me that more unsure

[fferyllt]

what I mean is, Fuduzn is the only wagon he had advocated at some point, but hasn't pushed. He pushed the TAM wagon pretty hard, and he's pushing the Nekoko wagon pretty hard, yet he isn't pushing, and hasn't pushed the Fudu wagon at all.

Pedit: you sure about that? that statement makes me that more unsure

Hm. You may be right. I'll have to go look. I thought orc pushed FuDuzn some after the "interesting" debacle. But maybe it was TAM and I'm misremembering.

[FuDuzn]

Orc never pushed me, iirc he seemed to get a town read on me after I poked and prodded him a bit.

[Klick]

Actually, I've consistently pushed the fact that I think FuDuzn is scum, but no one supports that lynch.

[Svenskt Stål]

First I was like, 9th of april? what thats crazy deadline. Now I am like, hope we will be ready by then.

[Voodoo Lady]

So I'm at L-2 now? (Well, Nekoko is but you know how that works.) That's not very good.

This game is going way too fast for me... give me ten minutes or so to catch up?

[Svenskt Stål]

What, yes? progress has stalled.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah, Klick and I differ on our Fudu reads.

But even if Fudu is scum he'll be scum with Nekoko which is why I feel like Nekoko is the obvious lynch here.

Marangal for the love of god can you make some sense. Why are Klick and I scum?

[fferyllt]

So you guys know, my lover is KBW...

So far I still think that Orc is scummy, I'm going to do an individual ISO to see if I can catch out other possibilities.

TAM posted this as the KBW bandwagon was near its peak.

Probably is Fferyllt.

She was gone pretty much all of yesterday I believe.

In any case. I still think an Orc lynch is good. but I could accept in theory a Nekko lynch, potentially...

And he posted this after the Neko Wagon was at L-2.

These are the kinds of posts about the leading bandwagons I think I would be making if I were scum.

[Ms Marangal]

I had stated what exactly about you bugs me this game, though I explained why Klick bugs me. I really don't like the fact that he's the first to town read me really, really hard. the 180 I mentioned earlier is really buggy

Pedit: I guess? I could understand him stalling the KBW lynch, and the second one to probably... I guess I could be wrong about Klick/Orc pair

[Svenskt Stål]

I think we either go for it or we start unvoting and wait for some interactions with nekoko to see if she can clear herself.

ffer are you saying that tam and nekoko cant be scum/scum?

[fferyllt]

actually, I take the first part back. The orc wagon was losing steam, and the KBW wagon was L-5 or something at the time. But the momentum was moving in KBW's direction.

But the 2nd post still looks like what I'd post if I were trying to low-key encourage town to decide not to lynch my scumbuddy while still looking willing to go along with his lynch.

[fferyllt]

I think we either go for it or we start unvoting and wait for some interactions with nekoko to see if she can clear herself.

ffer are you saying that tam and nekoko cant be scum/scum?

I'm not saying that at all.

[Svenskt Stål]

Its a gamble, I mean scum know they cant keep defending eachother couse it will stand out to much, so they play chicken with us. The only one having wierd reads is marangal who for some reason has my number one town pair as biggest suspects.

ffer, then what are you saying.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So I'm at L-2 now? (Well, Nekoko is but you know how that works.) That's not very good.

This game is going way too fast for me... give me ten minutes or so to catch up?

Tick tock


M help me out and quote yourself, yeah?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ff, you've played a game with voodoo before. What's your opinion of her based on meta?

[fferyllt]

From the wiki on this game set up

At the end of Open 88 it was proposed that this setup inherently favors Town. By randomly lynching, the Town has a 60% chance of winning. However, truly random lynches will not occur in practice because scum cannot and will not lynch themselves; further, it was noted that scum voting each other up to L-1 would make them consistently look great under vote analysis. It was also discussed that massclaim should occur either early Day 2 or very late Day 1 to keep scum Lover claims as implausible as possible. See also White Flag Gambit.

I'm not seeing alot of this. I mean I can make a case that FuDuzn flirted with this idea earlier today, but he didn't put down the post and I discouraged it because I wanted Marangal and Leviathan involved in this decision.

@Svenskt I'm saying that if I were mafia lovers with Nekoko that is exactly the sort of post I would make. Not enough to bring the wrath of town down on scums' heads, but a gentle nudge toward another bandwagon without pushing the case. TAM is still riding that case about orc's reaction to my "interesting" post. He hasn't offered anything else as evidence, and he hasn't done any analysis on other players.

I dunno. We have 3 pairs to choose from, really. we're sure making it into a huge effort.

I think it's because some of us half-expect this uneasy hopefully all town coalition to collapse if we get it wrong today.

[Svenskt Stål]

At some point we are just mking it to hard on our selfs, taking two shots insed team voodoo, team tam and team fud looks pretty good to me.

[Svenskt Stål]

If we are wrong we are wrong, there should be shit to learn from. I think diviating from the awfull 3 is bad thou, as long as we dont lynch marangals or klicks we should be dandy

[Svenskt Stål]

This game would have been alot easier if I hadnt randed partner with the most town person ever.

[fferyllt]

Ff, you've played a game with voodoo before. What's your opinion of her based on meta?

She was town. She came off quite confident to start in that game. She was under lynch pressure most of day 2, which I was semi-absent from due to flu and a death in the family. I thought she handled herself well, but evidently lost internet access as her bandwagon was growing. I don't remember the details, but she thought she had trapped another player, and wasn't able to explain it before the internet problems.

She was a low-volume poster. I remember that at the time I voted her around 1.5-2 weeks into the game she only had 10-12 posts, and she sometimes went a few days between posts.

[Svenskt Stål]

Where is voodoo, not giving an utmost effort right now is eyebrow poppin

[Svenskt Stål]

DEMONBLOOOOOOOD

GIVE IT TO ME

[fferyllt]

should have mentioned in the above that I was scum with TAM in that game. He kept me in his solid town pile the whole game IIRC. I had him as unsure to start, slowly sliding to unsure-scummy, and was laying the groundwork by day 3 to bus him if his lynch became inevitable.

This game's different. Scum can't sacrifice one of their own. But they can look willing to, and with 4 votes can gently apply the brakes if town gets close to hammer.

Which, ironically, I'm sorta doing right now re the Neko lynch...but not really because I'm still liking the Neko lynch.

But, I think that the lukewarm stated willingness to vote Neko while still pushing a stale bandwagon looks...I dunno. preoccupied? Not trying? not enough time to do a scum game right?