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In post 721, goodmorning wrote:Yeah, also I will

Unvote

until I've read the whole thing.

Just realized Bacde just replaced in before me.
LOL I RECALL A TIME MAC AND REM AND I TROLLED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU CHEERFULLY

In post 727, goodmorning wrote:Honestly if Wisdom replaced in this game would be PERFECT

In post 649, Bacde wrote:retract icebox I know you aren't the real seer

In post 643, Bacde wrote:lets not ask for ccs and out the real seer please

In post 35, Bulbazak wrote:/confirmed

In post 16, Klick wrote: 1. Are you Town? Give three sentences to explain your reasoning.
2. Who would you like to be Mafia with in this game?

1. Nope. I'm a monkey. Ook.
2. Maestro and Eddie Fenix

On a serious note, glad to see Fuzzy again.

He's really cool and easy to read.

If he's Mafia, he'll slip within 3 pages.

In post 486, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 479, Icebox wrote: I think Fuzzy is scum, because of lack of hunting, his out of character play, his survivalism. I disagree with DBK's and Bulb's cases that he is town. And it's clear to me he is having difficulty keeping his story straight. Further, his reads are extremely lazy. His comments on how I am playing shows a complete lack of understanding, that I think town would be able to recognize. They might doubt my scum hinting, but they will not deny it is there. It shows a real lack of interpretation or depth that I find is something newer scum have difficulty with.

I don't see the lack of hunting, nor his out of character play (

I've only completed 3 games with him, andI still can't read him

.). His survivalism is a good point, as scum is more apt to do it than town. I can also see where he has been constantly backpedaling. However, I think in order to convince the rest of the town, you're going to need some more concrete points, which means you need to refine your case a bit.

In post 741, Icebox wrote: @Bacde, you're the type for wagon analysis. Given how easily the wagon on Klick gained speed, does it feel "right" to you?

In post 721, goodmorning wrote:Yeah, also I will

Unvote

until I've read the whole thing.

Just realized Bacde just replaced in before me.
LOL I RECALL A TIME MAC AND REM AND I TROLLED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU CHEERFULLY

In post 742, Autti wrote:

In post 741, Icebox wrote: @Bacde, you're the type for wagon analysis. Given how easily the wagon on Klick gained speed, does it feel "right" to you?

Given that Bacde was the one telling everyone to vote Klick, why are you asking him?

In post 475, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 473, Icebox wrote:Actually, @Everyone: Why are you voting me. Give your reasons. Do not requote yourself.

-Rem

In post 29, Icebox wrote: 1. I am town. I know it because I received a town role pm. I know it because I have confidence in my ability to read and not misinterpret my role message. I know it because of how I will play this game, which is to search for Mafia and werewolves and to keep the town alive.

You overdid it here by trying to convince us so hard that you were town. It feels fake. I've found that normally those who overemphasize that they're town are actually scum. I don't put much stock in your "trust tell". It's too much WIFOM. I tried to give you a break because of it, and watched you to see what you would do, but the WIFOM continued, and I felt that I was right in my initial assessment.

Please say that you checked Rem's meta before you posted this.

In post 198, Icebox wrote:

In post 193, Bulbazak wrote:Notes before I leave for the day:

Autti's #176 has robots in it.

Still not wild about Mac's play, but at least he's starting to participate.

Due to #188, should TNE flip scum, Icebox is likely his partner.

Just like how you're scum if fuzzy flip scum.

As I explained earlier, the Autti comment ended up being an inadvertent reaction test, which everybody who responded to the post addressed. Except you. Instead, you skipped right to the end to address a suspicion based on association, and one that admittedly was not as strong. I essentially called you scum, and you responded with only "I'm not scum. You're scum!", which is essentially OMGUS (And yes, I know that there wasn't a vote on either side, but it's the same principle. You called someone scum for calling you scum.).

I already explained this.

In post 302, Icebox wrote:*Unless of course we're on the same team.

-Rem

This post is an extreme bit of WIFOM and CAN NOT have come from town. If town feels that they may be mistaken, they either don't mention it, or they downplay it in how they post, normally via vocabulary. Rarely do they say that they might be wrong, and they NEVER say "Unless we're on the same team." That bit of WIFOM does not help town one bit, and it weakens the town read on Klick and opens up doubt on what was a strong town read for many people. Town would never do that, because it plays against their wincon and is essentially a lie, since they know that they're not scum, so there's no reason to present that WIFOM to the rest of the town.

IF it was #302 by itself. But If you connect it with #301 (Which you should. You know. Which is was meant to be.), there's no WIFOM that you mentions.

Point is, I can't see any of this coming from a town mindset. Therefore, you are my strongest scumread.

In post 478, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 476, Icebox wrote:I know for a fact you're wrong.

WIFOM

and

AtE. You're really stepping it up.

So? What's wrong with AtE? Town can't AtE? Again, talk to me after you read Rem's towngame. (FYI, I'm one of those people who don't take ALL AtE as scumtell.)

In post 476, Icebox wrote: You're assuming I think like other players, that I don't have motivations outside of mafia that make me say these things or that I don't have particular quirks.

This is a game, and you need to play it as such. There is no outside motivation outside of the game of Mafia that should influence your play to that degree. If it is a personal belief against lying or deception, you're going to find out that you'll lose pretty quickly. Play the game, and play to win. If you are indeed using "trust tells", you are going to lose, and are playing against all future wincons, and are therefore a bad player. I'm assuming the opposite and using standard tells to determine your alignment.

Blah Blah Blah. What you said here implies that our slot is pitiful

town

that needs some coaching.

In post 476, Icebox wrote: Third: Your reaction test, is not very good given your results. It's not an inadvertent reaction test, if you don't plan it and decide what you're looking for beforehand. You don't know how to interpret your results, and your conclusion about me only proves that. That wasn't a reaction test, that was just something you said and then noticed a bunch of people responded to it and then you noticed, "hey that guy didn't!"

Just because I didn't intend it as a reaction test does not mean that it isn't effective. If you are the only person who doesn't react to something strange, naturally I'm going to wonder what's going on. Couple that with the fact that you only responded to allegations of you being scummy, and I'm naturally going to be suspicious.

Which reaction test are you talking about here?

In post 476, Icebox wrote: Furthermore GIF already responded to this.

In post 386, Icebox wrote:

In post 287, Bulbazak wrote:You, however, didn't, and only commented on my calling you scum. It was a knee-jerk reaction. You essentially said, "I'm not scum! You're scum!", which of course sets off my scumdar immediately.

If you're talking about #198, I was sarcastically calling your associative logic there shit.

-G

I didn't post that, Gif did. He was making fun of you for your awful logic. Then used that logic against you, it wasn't a "I'm not scum! You're scum!" it's a "That's really stupid, let me show how stupid it is by using the same logic" and now you've misinterpreted it and

completely ignored Gif's response,

in favor of your own reasoning.

Saying someone's logic is bad is not the same as explaining why it is bad. Gif's response is the equivalent of throwing poo, and I don't dignify such things with a response.

That was the whole point of #198. All I did was just say stuff that you said to us, which you called "throwing poo." See what I mean now?

In post 476, Icebox wrote: There's neither town, nor scum motivation with that EBWOP, just me being me.

Then you posted something completely useless in a game where everyone is trying to deduce the meaning behind everything that is said. EVERYTHING you say and do is tied back to your alignment. Your personality can give it a unique spin, but it is still related. Saying otherwise is ludicrous. If you were town, there was no reason to say such a thing in the first place, as it should never have crossed your mind. If scum, it's the opportune piece of WIFOM. Given everything, you're either simply a bad player or scum. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming the latter.

There's no reason to say such a thing in the first place as scum either and there is reason to say such a thing in the first place as town. So your point is null.

In post 480, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 479, Icebox wrote: @Bulb: Wifom is not a scum tell and it's not wifom given it is the truth. You're assuming it isn't. If you have nothing better, then try to get something better. Either by questioning me for my actions or questioning others until you can reveal scummy behavior, not just behavior that is unique or difficult to interpret.

First, truth is subjective in this game. Only a limited few know what is true. Everyone else just knows a limited version of the truth, which is unhelpful as a whole. If you're town, you

know

that you're town, but nobody else does. Saying so can

properly

be construed as WIFOM, as there is no proof for it. We have to take your word for it, which is something that we should absolutely

never

do.

Sure. Whatever you say.

Second, WIFOM can be a scumtell, because it's scum saying something knowing that town will try to ascertain the meaning behind it, knowing that scum knew the phrase would be dissected (But you knew that I might be watching, therefore...). It's a phrase that ends up being a waste of time. Town can say things that do the same thing. Normally it's involving something that we have to trust their word on, such as "I don't do this as scum". In these cases, they should still be handled in the same way as WIFOM and considered untrustworthy.

Sure. Whatever you say.

Third, I have questioned and addressed these points before, and I wasn't satisfied with the answers I received, as it ended up being more WIFOM, more "trust me" or "take my word for it". Point of the matter is that I don't trust you, and I don't believe you, and you saying that I should is not helping matters, as it only compounds the scum read. I don't see the town motivation behind your actions. Therefore, I think you are scum and that you should be lynched.

Sure. Whatever you say. But since we claimed already (and no counterclaim), we're not getting lynched. Too bad for you.

In post 626, Bacde wrote:lol let it slide

In post 649, Bacde wrote:retract icebox I know you aren't the real seer

In post 643, Bacde wrote:lets not ask for ccs and out the real seer please