Newbie 1419 - GAME OVER

[Brian Skies]

And yes, I do find Shii's Day 3 a little weird. But I need Shii to come in and explain his thoughts. I can't just be like, "Shii makes no sense, must be scum."

[Brian Skies]

Oh my god ns. I'm currently WIFOM'ing myself. I'm gonna take a break from this for a bit.

[Amrun]

VC 3.1

(2) notscience - Titus, Nachomamma8

(1) Nachomamma8 - Shiidaji
(1) Shiidaji - notscience

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Not Voting: Brian Skies

V/LA: Nachomamma8

Deadline: Monday, September 23 at 12:30am EDT

Spoiler: Vote History

Shiidaji

- Nachomamma8

Brian Skies

-

Titus

- notscience

notscience

- Shiidaji

Nachomamma8

- notscience

If you spot any mistakes, please let me know.

Shiidaji has been prodded.

[Brian Skies]

@Nacho: How confident are you with your vote?

[Shiidaji]

short on time.

Nacho, why did you ask this.

Because I haven't decided myself.

Day 3 started - what was your read on me? Has it changed at all and why?

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I thought Nacho was the PR ftr, especially towards the end of Day 2.

Why did you think this? Also, does this make me confirmed PR?

His confidence in directing Verbs made me feel he was a doc that thought he had the game in the bag, along with this post

lets make this a long day because i am probably the next to go at night

actually, I have a good feeling there is a doctor and as long as the doctor protects you, everything should be good. i'm pretty fucking confident the game will end with a flammus lynch, though.

I felt it was either BPNacho trying to draw a nk or docnacho basically sealing the game;

Yes.

Okay, so I'm just not in the mood right now because it's late and I'm tired. But tomorrow I will have the time to finally post my giant walls. Look forward to them.

Also, I would like it if Shii would provide the reasoning for his suspicion on notscience from Day 2, even if it isn't applicable anymore.

see post 478, I'll elaborate if necessary

Brian, I'll respond to your wall later.

Brian, remember what Shii said about scum needing to push 2 MLs to win and me having a townread on Nacho is weird (especially with how strong it is) and then Shii went all paranoid?

?

ns, re-read my post (695) and either acknowledge the logic behind it or refute it. It doesn't make any sense for ns-scum to townread Nacho and attack Shii. Why? Because after Shii is ML'd in that situation, ns-scum would be stuck vs. Nacho, the player he'd been arguing as town for D3, in MYLO/LYLO D4.
On the other hand, Nacho

has yet to mention his read on me

. He's pushing you (notscience) as scum today without taking a stance on me. That totally makes sense from a scum perspective - Scum!Nacho would know that ns would be a mislynch and that he'd be facing off against me in MYLO/LYLO tomorrow. Do you understand? I'm reading you as town, therefore Nacho is more likely scum, since you two are the only people that can be scum from my perspective.

[Titus]

Been busy Brian but I like how the votes are distributed right now. I am going to unvote to allow time for rev7ew but I can be certain Shii is not likely scum.

VOTE: unvote

[notscience]

...

Shii, here's what's bugging me.

You see 3 people jumping down my throat so you'relike "nah I think hes town" so if you vote nacho tomorrow it looks like you didnt need to switch a read around.

[Brian Skies]

Been busy Brian but I like how the votes are distributed right now. I am going to unvote to allow time for rev7ew but I can be certain Shii is not likely scum.

VOTE: unvote

Yeah, I really like the vote distribution. I was really hoping you'd unvote so we don't get ninja'ed by one of these three.

And the thing about Shii is that I've been heavily townreading him all game. I've been on almost the same exact wavelength as him and understand how he comes to a lot of his conclusions (as I reach them too even without reading what he's saying). To me, he just seems to have better foresight and finds these wavelengths before I do. So, I don't understand if you know how I would feel if Shii actually ended up being scum.

And as far as Nacho is concerned, I've become increasingly wary of him/her (sorry, I just don't know your gender) based on my wall-posts.

The thing that bugs me most about Nacho and Shii is how Day 3 has been underway. It's making it increasingly difficult to sort them.

But yeah, I'm currently leaning Shii for most town.

[notscience]

If it's been difficult sorting them how is shii your most town rofl

Where am I?

[Brian Skies]

If it's been difficult sorting them how is shii your most town rofl

Have you read my walls? Also, Nacho was acting suspicious on Day 2 (AtE, tunneled attack on Flammus, mostly ignored Shii's case on ns) and is doing the same thing on Day 3.

Shii is suspicious for suspecting you most of day 1 and day 2 and suddenly changing his reads. But unlike Nacho, I have been on similar wavelengths with Shii for most of the game (and if Shii ends up being scum...then, well, fuck me).

You, at least, are consistent, and that bodes well for you.

Where am I?

Where do you want to be?

[notscience]

I mean in your reads.

And nah I hate reading walls with a passion

I skimmed them though

[Titus]

I'm leaning towards lynching Nachomamma at this point.

Meanwhile, I'd like the three remaining players to make an educated guess as to one of you being town and the other being scum.

[Brian Skies]

I'm leaning towards lynching Nachomamma at this point.

Meanwhile, I'd like the three remaining players to make an educated guess as to one of you being town and the other being scum.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one feeling this way. Nacho's vote on ns just doesn't sit right with me. It's like she's sure ns is guilty or something. There's a serious lack of reasoning and she hasn't even given ns a chance to defend himself.

[Brian Skies]

Also, Titus, how do you feel about the interactions between Nacho and Bert at the end of Day 1? I know this is WIFOM, but what if Nacho didn't want to be investigated by a possible jailkeeper? It would have been useful because we could at least have had a clear on her.

[notscience]

I think ns is town

Gun to my head I'd say Nacho personally is town.

[Nachomamma8]

</3 Nacho

"for whatever reason"

I was hoping you would freak out, go paranoid on me, you know, normal reactions. I don't like how the only reason you hold me as town is because bert read me as town and died, which makes no sense.

Not to mention, Nacho let me tunnel on Flammus without taking Shii's argument into account on Day 2. I understand I baited Nacho into that tunnel, but still. Nacho is usually more aware than that.

He was still a damn good lynch, was he not?

@Nacho: How confident are you with your vote?

As of this moment? Decently confident.

Day 3 started - what was your read on me? Has it changed at all and why?

You still feel pretty damn town.

I felt it was either BPNacho trying to draw a nk or docnacho basically sealing the game;

Yes.

Better for me to draw an NK as VT then either of those things, no? It's also directing the doc in a not-so-subtle but still somehow subtle way.

Because after Shii is ML'd in that situation, ns-scum would be stuck vs. Nacho, the player he'd been arguing as town for D3, in MYLO/LYLO D4.

Doesn't seem too hard for him to flip and go "I underestimated town Nacho", especially when he's staring a confirmed town in the face. It doesn't take any stretch of the imagine to say "Nacho fooled me, he's a good player. Vote: Nacho".

He's pushing you (notscience) as scum today without taking a stance on me. That totally makes sense from a scum perspective - Scum!Nacho would know that ns would be a mislynch and that he'd be facing off against me in MYLO/LYLO tomorrow.

I haven't actually posted much today, but pushing notscience as scum sort of suggests I find you town, no?

And the thing about Shii is that I've been heavily townreading him all game.

Me too!

There's a serious lack of reasoning and she hasn't even given ns a chance to defend himself.

Lack of reasoning = lack of time, still in the process of sorting.
I don't really know where you expected me to give ns a chance to defend himself, though.

[Titus]

I am fine with a NachoMamma lynch. Not much direct communication of substance between the pair and Nacho has lived too long.

I am also thinking scum is NS/Nachomamma due to the meta. Bert was going to be gung ho to lynch me. Shooting him naturally points the finger back as me being scum. NS has been in the only game I played with Bert. Nachomamma was all to ready to lynch me today and it took Brian's claim to clear me.

[Nachomamma8]

What does any of that have to do with me being scum?

[Titus]

I am attempting to reason why Bert was killed over you, who gains and who loses.

[notscience]

That's stupid as meta is not high value.

[Nachomamma8]

I am attempting to reason why Bert was killed over you, who gains and who loses.

Fear of protection, probably. Bert was screaming that I should be protected during the night, and it was highly likely I would be protected if there was a protective role.

[Titus]

That's stupid as meta is not high value.

Did I say I was using meta? No. Meta is how a player acts supposing the player would act in the same way. Looking at history/knowledge and judging who gains what is not meta.

Nacho, it is just as likely you fooled Bert. Bert viewed at least part of this game with historically colored glasses. He thought I was scum based on 513.

[Nachomamma8]

And it's funny that you suspect me for being "too sure", Brian. It's one of the main reasons I'm so uneasy with ns. He's writing me off as town with no real process in doing so; yesterday, he was paranoid of me because I'm tricky. Today, he's absolutely sure that I'm town because of the N1 nightkill? That doesn't make sense, considering the N1 nightkill happened before he got paranoid, but instead he pretends like that never happened. It makes more sense for scum NS to go after me tomorrow as opposed to today; if I can get mislynched without my blood on his hands, he has a chance of making it through tomorrow against Shii. If he tries to mislynch me today and we get involved in a 1v1, he won't escape. Shii won't trap him in the same way.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, it is just as likely you fooled Bert. Bert viewed at least part of this game with historically colored glasses. He thought I was scum based on 513.

And if the two situations are equally likely, it's not evidence of me being scum.

[Brian Skies]

Nachomamma was all to ready to lynch me today and it took Brian's claim to clear me.

Verbs already cleared you when he claimed.