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Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:23 am**

And yes, I do find Shii's Day 3 a little weird. But I need Shii to come in and explain his thoughts. I can't just be like, "Shii makes no sense, must be scum."

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:36 am**

Oh my god ns. I'm currently WIFOM'ing myself. I'm gonna take a break from this for a bit.

Posted: **Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:54 pm**

VC 3.1

(2) notscience - Titus, Nachomamma8

(1) Nachomamma8 - Shiidaji
(1) Shiidaji - notscience

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Not Voting: Brian Skies

V/LA: Nachomamma8

Deadline: Monday, September 23 at 12:30am EDT

Spoiler: Vote History

If you spot any mistakes, please let me know.

Shiidaji has been prodded.

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:18 pm**

@Nacho: How confident are you with your vote?

Posted: **Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:46 pm**

short on time.

In post 700, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 695, Shiidaji wrote:Nacho, why did you ask this.
Because I haven't decided myself.

Day 3 started - what was your read on me? Has it changed at all and why?

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In post 701, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 695, Shiidaji wrote:I thought Nacho was the PR ftr, especially towards the end of Day 2.
Why did you think this? Also, does this make me confirmed PR?

His confidence in directing Verbs made me feel he was a doc that thought he had the game in the bag, along with this post

In post 590, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 588, Verbs wrote:lets make this a long day because i am probably the next to go at night
actually, I have a good feeling there is a doctor and as long as the doctor protects you, everything should be good. i'm pretty fucking confident the game will end with a flammus lynch, though.

I felt it was either BPNacho trying to draw a nk or docnacho basically sealing the game;

Yes.

In post 702, Brian Skies wrote:Okay, so I'm just not in the mood right now because it's late and I'm tired. But tomorrow I will have the time to finally post my giant walls. Look forward to them.

Also, I would like it if Shii would provide the reasoning for his suspicion on notscience from Day 2, even if it isn't applicable anymore.

see post 478, I'll elaborate if necessary

Brian, I'll respond to your wall later.

In post 722, notscience wrote:Brian, remember what Shii said about scum needing to push 2 MLs to win and me having a townread on Nacho is weird (especially with how strong it is) and then Shii went all paranoid?

?

ns, re-read my post (695) and either acknowledge the logic behind it or refute it. It doesn't make any sense for ns-scum to townread Nacho and attack Shii. Why? Because after Shii is ML'd in that situation, ns-scum would be stuck vs. Nacho, the player he'd been arguing as town for D3, in MYLO/LYLO D4.
On the other hand, Nacho

has yet to mention his read on me

. He's pushing you (notscience) as scum today without taking a stance on me. That totally makes sense from a scum perspective - Scum!Nacho would know that ns would be a mislynch and that he'd be facing off against me in MYLO/LYLO tomorrow. Do you understand? I'm reading you as town, therefore Nacho is more likely scum, since you two are the only people that can be scum from my perspective.

Posted: **Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:46 am**

Been busy Brian but I like how the votes are distributed right now. I am going to unvote to allow time for rev7ew but I can be certain Shii is not likely scum.

VOTE: unvote

Posted: **Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:18 am**

...

Shii, here's what's bugging me.

You see 3 people jumping down my throat so you'relike "nah I think hes town" so if you vote nacho tomorrow it looks like you didnt need to switch a read around.

Posted: **Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:39 am**

In post 730, Titus wrote:Been busy Brian but I like how the votes are distributed right now. I am going to unvote to allow time for rev7ew but I can be certain Shii is not likely scum.

VOTE: unvote

Yeah, I really like the vote distribution. I was really hoping you'd unvote so we don't get ninja'ed by one of these three.

And the thing about Shii is that I've been heavily townreading him all game. I've been on almost the same exact wavelength as him and understand how he comes to a lot of his conclusions (as I reach them too even without reading what he's saying). To me, he just seems to have better foresight and finds these wavelengths before I do. So, I don't understand if you know how I would feel if Shii actually ended up being scum.

And as far as Nacho is concerned, I've become increasingly wary of him/her (sorry, I just don't know your gender) based on my wall-posts.

The thing that bugs me most about Nacho and Shii is how Day 3 has been underway. It's making it increasingly difficult to sort them.

But yeah, I'm currently leaning Shii for most town.

Posted: **Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:40 am**

If it's been difficult sorting them how is shii your most town rofl

Where am I?

Posted: **Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:13 pm**

In post 733, notscience wrote:If it's been difficult sorting them how is shii your most town rofl

Have you read my walls? Also, Nacho was acting suspicious on Day 2 (AtE, tunneled attack on Flammus, mostly ignored Shii's case on ns) and is doing the same thing on Day 3.

Shii is suspicious for suspecting you most of day 1 and day 2 and suddenly changing his reads. But unlike Nacho, I have been on similar wavelengths with Shii for most of the game (and if Shii ends up being scum...then, well, fuck me).

You, at least, are consistent, and that bodes well for you.

In post 733, notscience wrote: Where am I?

Where do you want to be?

Posted: **Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:53 am**

I mean in your reads.

And nah I hate reading walls with a passion

I skimmed them though

Posted: **Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:04 pm**

I'm leaning towards lynching Nachomamma at this point.

Meanwhile, I'd like the three remaining players to make an educated guess as to one of you being town and the other being scum.

Posted: **Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:24 pm**

In post 736, Titus wrote:
I'm leaning towards lynching Nachomamma at this point.

Meanwhile, I'd like the three remaining players to make an educated guess as to one of you being town and the other being scum.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one feeling this way. Nacho's vote on ns just doesn't sit right with me. It's like she's sure ns is guilty or something. There's a serious lack of reasoning and she hasn't even given ns a chance to defend himself.

Posted: **Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:32 pm**

Also, Titus, how do you feel about the interactions between Nacho and Bert at the end of Day 1? I know this is WIFOM, but what if Nacho didn't want to be investigated by a possible jailkeeper? It would have been useful because we could at least have had a clear on her.

Posted: **Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:35 pm**

I think ns is town

Gun to my head I'd say Nacho personally is town.

Posted: **Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:38 pm**

In post 715, notscience wrote:</3 Nacho

"for whatever reason"

I was hoping you would freak out, go paranoid on me, you know, normal reactions. I don't like how the only reason you hold me as town is because bert read me as town and died, which makes no sense.

In post 724, Brian Skies wrote:Not to mention, Nacho let me tunnel on Flammus without taking Shii's argument into account on Day 2. I understand I baited Nacho into that tunnel, but still. Nacho is usually more aware than that.

He was still a damn good lynch, was he not?

In post 728, Brian Skies wrote:@Nacho: How confident are you with your vote?

As of this moment? Decently confident.

In post 729, Shiidaji wrote:Day 3 started - what was your read on me? Has it changed at all and why?

You still feel pretty damn town.

In post 729, Shiidaji wrote:I felt it was either BPNacho trying to draw a nk or docnacho basically sealing the game;

Yes.

Better for me to draw an NK as VT then either of those things, no? It's also directing the doc in a not-so-subtle but still somehow subtle way.

In post 729, Shiidaji wrote:Because after Shii is ML'd in that situation, ns-scum would be stuck vs. Nacho, the player he'd been arguing as town for D3, in MYLO/LYLO D4.

Doesn't seem too hard for him to flip and go "I underestimated town Nacho", especially when he's staring a confirmed town in the face. It doesn't take any stretch of the imagine to say "Nacho fooled me, he's a good player. Vote: Nacho".

In post 729, Shiidaji wrote:He's pushing you (notscience) as scum today without taking a stance on me. That totally makes sense from a scum perspective - Scum!Nacho would know that ns would be a mislynch and that he'd be facing off against me in MYLO/LYLO tomorrow.

I haven't actually posted much today, but pushing notscience as scum sort of suggests I find you town, no?

In post 732, Brian Skies wrote:And the thing about Shii is that I've been heavily townreading him all game.

Me too!

In post 737, Brian Skies wrote:There's a serious lack of reasoning and she hasn't even given ns a chance to defend himself.

Lack of reasoning = lack of time, still in the process of sorting.
I don't really know where you expected me to give ns a chance to defend himself, though.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:35 am**

I am fine with a NachoMamma lynch. Not much direct communication of substance between the pair and Nacho has lived too long.

I am also thinking scum is NS/Nachomamma due to the meta. Bert was going to be gung ho to lynch me. Shooting him naturally points the finger back as me being scum. NS has been in the only game I played with Bert. Nachomamma was all to ready to lynch me today and it took Brian's claim to clear me.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:50 am**

What does any of that have to do with me being scum?

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:24 am**

I am attempting to reason why Bert was killed over you, who gains and who loses.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:26 am**

In post 442, Titus wrote:That's stupid as meta is not high value.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:38 am**

In post 743, Titus wrote:I am attempting to reason why Bert was killed over you, who gains and who loses.

Fear of protection, probably. Bert was screaming that I should be protected during the night, and it was highly likely I would be protected if there was a protective role.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:44 am**

In post 744, notscience wrote:
In post 442, Titus wrote:That's stupid as meta is not high value.

Did I say I was using meta? No. Meta is how a player acts supposing the player would act in the same way. Looking at history/knowledge and judging who gains what is not meta.

Nacho, it is just as likely you fooled Bert. Bert viewed at least part of this game with historically colored glasses. He thought I was scum based on 513.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:46 am**

And it's funny that you suspect me for being "too sure", Brian. It's one of the main reasons I'm so uneasy with ns. He's writing me off as town with no real process in doing so; yesterday, he was paranoid of me because I'm tricky. Today, he's absolutely sure that I'm town because of the N1 nightkill? That doesn't make sense, considering the N1 nightkill happened before he got paranoid, but instead he pretends like that never happened. It makes more sense for scum NS to go after me tomorrow as opposed to today; if I can get mislynched without my blood on his hands, he has a chance of making it through tomorrow against Shii. If he tries to mislynch me today and we get involved in a 1v1, he won't escape. Shii won't trap him in the same way.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:07 pm**

In post 746, Titus wrote:Nacho, it is just as likely you fooled Bert. Bert viewed at least part of this game with historically colored glasses. He thought I was scum based on 513.

And if the two situations are equally likely, it's not evidence of me being scum.

Posted: **Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:01 pm**

In post 741, Titus wrote:Nachomamma was all to ready to lynch me today and it took Brian's claim to clear me.

Verbs already cleared you when he claimed.

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