Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[Skelda]

Also i dont know about anybody else for sure but I just feel like Reg is scum beyond a resonable doubt. i am still waiting on either Reg showing up to defend himself or someone to make a case for Reg being a townie. Once he flips scum we can figure out who his scum buddy is.....

Same question for you. If Reg flips town, who are you going after next?

[Skelda]

I think I might have got it, but...

You mean that if Fuzzy hadn't hammered him, it would've been better for scum because they would know who the cop was.
But the thing is 2pac claimed when he was sentenced. I don't think he would have claimed.

But f Ree was scum, what kind of benefit is to have a living townie over having him killed? How could he possibly risk such a good myslynch, putting all the responsibility in Fuzzy's hands?

I keep thinking that Ree being scum would imply Fuzz being scum. And right now I can't accept such theory.

If the town no-lynches, the scum get a free kill and the town has to go to the next day without any real new information. The lynch of a townie, on the other hand, provides lots of information. Mr. Ree will back me up on this, it's better for the town to lynch a townie Day 1 than to no-lynch.

The fact that 2Pac was the cop would change the math on this except that nobody knew he was the cop. Scum wouldn't have known exactly how good a mislynch they would be risking.

Yes, it is bothering me right now that people are using the fact that 2Pac flipped Cop to make their cases appear stronger than they really are. 2Pac was town, sure, but I don't think him being a Cop has much of anything to do with his flip as town-alligned, since no one thought he was Cop until after he was lynched. And I don't see why I should be quivering in a ball like fuzzy and repent that I voted for 2Pac because, honestly, he deserved it. I'm not succumbing to that. I thought 2Pac was bad, and he wasn't. I'm not apologizing for that and anyone who does is scummy.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I dont know ...I found that the game is fluid so we must be willing to change with new info.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Honestly I have not thought that far ahead....

[Mr_Ree]

2pac didn't deserve it. I said as much before you lynched him. He was an "easy target" because he used a gimmick. His reads were good, his cases, while worded to fit his rhyming scheme, were good. He asked questions of people and pushed till they answered. He stuck to his reads. He did nothing specifically anti town.

If you really think his Lynch was justified, you should be able to list all the reasons you lynched him for. Please do so. Aside from his gimmick, there's nothing besides omgus.

[Mr_Ree]

...

That's what I thought.

There is reason to feel bad. Because I handed you all that beforehand and you chose to ignore me, discredit me and downright threw a hissy fit when I refused to go a long with you.

Now, of our 3 main reads, 1 hasn't even showed, One started off voting Satan then switched to obvious new town and the last voted me and is poking at new town to see if he can get a mislynch in.

My god this is an easy game.

Word of advice from your friendly neighbourhood IC, Nom IS scum. You should join me in voting him so we can get a claim sooner rather than later. STOP voting at L-1 so we can ask for a claim.

[SatanHellYeah]

@Non

Now I get it.

@Skelda

If you flipped town?

I'll try not to be a stubborn asshole. If you flip town, and if I had the information I have right now, I'd have to reevaluate my whole mind about this. But if we lynch you, I expect to have more information and I don't expect you to flip town.

That doesn't really answer your question, but I don't have a clear answer for that.

[Mr_Ree]

That's a decent response to a silly question.

What if you flip scum Skelda? Nobody but scum know the alignment of every player. If we are wrong, we are wrong, but we are probably right because this many players sharing similar reads are rarely wrong.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@Ree besides Nom sitting on 2Pac what else makes you think he will flip scum? what is your read on Reg? also is it possible that the scum got a cop read from 2pac. I could be wrong but I dont see it beyond the realm of possibility especially with new players?

@ everyone- besides Skelda being stubborn and not admitting killing 2pac was a mistake what else make you think he is lynch worthy? Honestly I dont see much besides that issue.

[Nominull]

Mr. Ree is trying to assume a consensus that doesn't exist, and he hasn't addressed my concerns even to the level that Fuzzy has.

[SatanHellYeah]

Actually, there is kind of agreement.

I have a scumread on Skelda. Ree has it too. So sthar did. Reg pointed out some really scummy behaviors. And seems like Ran wants pressure on him as well.

[Mr_Ree]

@Ree besides Nom sitting on 2Pac what else makes you think he will flip scum? what is your read on Reg? also is it possible that the scum got a cop read from 2pac. I could be wrong but I dont see it beyond the realm of possibility especially with new players?

@ everyone- besides Skelda being stubborn and not admitting killing 2pac was a mistake what else make you think he is lynch worthy? Honestly I dont see much besides that issue.

See my 12 reasons for why I want to Lynch Nom.
It is possible He picked up on a breadcrumb that I
missed. Breadcrumbing is Leaving your role hidden in one of your posts. It can strengthen a claim if it's doubted or if there is a counterclaim.

For skelda, it's general anti town behavior combined with reads He can't really explain and is willing to change if they suit him.

Basically, he's looking for a viable mislynch from my perspective. I also don't like to see newbies white knighting when they can't explain their reads.

What originally drew my attention to him was a percieved coaching post.

[SatanHellYeah]

I wonder if Reg has connected so far. I wonder if he is reading this right now, while thinking how could he possibly get a mislynch today. Analyzing who to target, who is looking more scummy, who could he blame.

Or, maybe, trying to elaborate a speech so we can trust him even when he lynched the cop after giving a total scumread on him. After asking Ree to sheep him, and getting mad because he didn't want to. I can imagine him trying to say "sorry" in order to make us believe he is not at all scum.

Reg, I wonder a lot of things. I'd like you to post something. Thank you.

[Skelda]

That's a decent response to a silly question.

What if you flip scum Skelda? Nobody but scum know the alignment of every player. If we are wrong, we are wrong, but we are probably right because this many players sharing similar reads are rarely wrong.

Well, if I were to flip scum I reckoned I knew what you would do. And you didn't have that "sometimes we are wrong" attitude when 2Pac was lynched, you looked at it differently to suit you.

We lynched 2Pac because he primarily OMGUS voted, had a stupid gimmick, and had been defended by people we were reading as scum. And I disagree with that majority is usually right gibberish, the fact that the majority suspects someone doesn't make them scum by any stretch of the imagination, and that is forged evidence.

[Mr_Ree]

If the majority suspect someone, there is normally a reason for it, whether it's because they are playing anti town or they are saying things that don't make sense with the evidence given. I'D say that you, Nom and Reg fit that bill.

If you were to start playing protown and using evidence instead of wifomy speculation, we wouldn't suspect you, would we?

[Skelda]

If the majority suspect someone, there is normally a reason for it, whether it's because they are playing anti town or they are saying things that don't make sense with the evidence given. I'D say that you, Nom and Reg fit that bill.

If you were to start playing protown and using evidence instead of wifomy speculation, we wouldn't suspect you, would we?

Well, then. Lynch one of us then.

[Mr_Ree]

I didnt take that attitude with 2pac because he was playing protown and his reads made sense with what was happening in the game. I did say there was a chance i was wrong(a very slim chance) but I wasn't was I?

What do you think of Nom's vote on me? Is it justified by evidence? Does it fit with scum being on the 2pac wagon?

[Mr_Ree]

I'll give you a hint. Based on evidence, Satan and I are the two worst possible votes for refusing and arguing Against the 2package wagon.

[Nominull]

Requesting a prod on Regfan

. Coward.

[Nominull]

I'll give you a hint. Based on evidence, Satan and I are the two worst possible votes for refusing and arguing Against the 2package wagon.

That metric is too easy for scum to manipulate. By that metric Fuzzy is less suspicious than either of you, since he was arguing against it too, but he was around to drop the hammer rather than let us no-lynch.

[Nominull]

The fact that you three weren't on the 2Pac wagon is evidence in your favor, but it's weak evidence. We were headed for a lynch on 2Pac or a no-lynch, and either one would have served scum purposes. I don't know Skelda's alignment, but I know mine, and you get exactly zero credit in my eyes for voting me over 2Pac, Mr. Ree.

[Skelda]

The fact that you three weren't on the 2Pac wagon is evidence in your favor, but it's weak evidence. We were headed for a lynch on 2Pac or a no-lynch, and either one would have served scum purposes. I don't know Skelda's alignment, but I know mine, and you get exactly zero credit in my eyes for voting me over 2Pac, Mr. Ree.

I really can't believe they don't think you are town.

[Mr_Ree]

The fact that you three weren't on the 2Pac wagon is evidence in your favor, but it's weak evidence. We were headed for a lynch on 2Pac or a no-lynch, and either one would have served scum purposes. I don't know Skelda's alignment, but I know mine, and you get exactly zero credit in my eyes for voting me over 2Pac, Mr. Ree.

If that is what you believe, then why did it sound like He was your second choice?

[Nominull]

The fact that you three weren't on the 2Pac wagon is evidence in your favor, but it's weak evidence. We were headed for a lynch on 2Pac or a no-lynch, and either one would have served scum purposes. I don't know Skelda's alignment, but I know mine, and you get exactly zero credit in my eyes for voting me over 2Pac, Mr. Ree.

If that is what you believe, then why did it sound like He was your second choice?

Who is the "He" in this post? The Lord God is always my first choice.

[Mr_Ree]

While I appreciate you calling me God, Ree works just fine too.

I was referring to Fuzzy. Was he not your secondary scum read?