Micro 242: Les Miserables Mafia (Game Over)

[Grimgroove]

It's not stupid. The QT is the only possible flaw, but it's not a flaw that makes the entire thing topple down.

Look:

The basis is:
Ghostlin protects shos.
Mhork sends letter to shos.
shos tracks Malakittens.
MAlakittens does what she does to me.
Grimgroove follows mastin.
mastin jailkeeps bv310.

We are bound to get at least one result. Even if scum decides to block Ghostlin and kill shos, which would be the worst case scenario, I get to share my result on mastin, and maybe confirm MAlakittens' action. Ghostlin will still be alive as conftown to boot.
If mastin killed shos, I'll have seen it, and it's 1vs1 between me and him, ensuring our eventual win. If he didn't kill shos, shos will be able to share his results. If someone else killed shos, at least I can clear mastin, and we have two conf-towns with Ghostlin and mastin.

[Grimgroove]

If you're town, why are you so concerned about my switch to you?

That's a ridiculous question to ask.

You downplay your former townread on me now, but the cases you've made for me town, setup specs included, were far more convincing and logical than anything you've presented on Maemuki or Malakittens.

[Grimgroove]

It's not stupid. The QT is the only possible flaw, but it's not a flaw that makes the entire thing topple down.

Look:

The basis is:
Ghostlin protects shos.
Mhork sends letter to shos.
shos tracks Malakittens.
MAlakittens does what she does to me.
Grimgroove follows mastin.
mastin jailkeeps bv310.

We are bound to get at least one result. Even if scum decides to block Ghostlin and kill shos, which would be the worst case scenario, I get to share my result on mastin, and maybe confirm MAlakittens' action. Ghostlin will still be alive as conftown to boot.
If mastin killed shos, I'll have seen it, and it's 1vs1 between me and him, ensuring our eventual win. If he didn't kill shos, shos will be able to share his results. If someone else killed shos, at least I can clear mastin, and we have two conf-towns with Ghostlin and mastin.

Oh, and if I can clear matin, it also clears bv310.


Seriously, this is not a bad plan.

[Grimgroove]

Or at least not a bad start to a plan. You can finetune it if you want, but simply casting it aside would be dumb, given the benefits presented from the plan as it stands, and possibly more to be had.

[Lord Mhork]

Or we kill mastin because frankly I don't trust him to follow any set guidelines and role blocking can fuck everything up hard. Then we do my plan which works better.

Plus there's that thing where I think mastin is scum. So yeah.

PEDIT:
I'm not no lynching. That's that. We have too large a town pool to no lynch.

PPEDIT:
It's a no lymch. No lynch is bad idea. Therefore I cast aside your plan.

[Grimgroove]

No, roleblocking can fuck something up, but not everything.
And mastin is forced to follow guidelines. If he doesn't, we'll notice it one way or another. The only way we wouldn't is if he kills me and blocks you. I don't mind that. At least he'd be forced to kill one of the possible mislynches. Or he blocks me, but then who does he kill? Again, one of the possible mislynches. And all the while, shos can give us more information about you.

[Lord Mhork]

What if mastin just doesn't care? So far I've seen little that indicates he's willing to step off his pedestal and work with people that aren't him.

[Grimgroove]

Ok, let's say we lynch mastin, he ends up being town after all, and we keep him out of the plan equation:

Ghostlin protects shos.
Mhork sends letter to shos.
shos tracks Malakittens (is a given)
Malakittens does what she does to me.
Grimgroove follows bv310.

[Lord Mhork]

Malakittens does whatever she wants to whomever she wants because we don't know what she is. However investigation would be nice. Also your following bv is stupid. Why are you trying to do stupid things, GG? You are going to follow me to see that I only sent my letter at night and that I'm not doing other shenanigans. That was kinda a big deal to you since you really thought my role could easily be scum, didn't you?

[The Grim Reaper]

No, if you send a letter to shos, shos can confirm it. It doesn't need my additional confirmation and here's why:

1. If you can send a letter in night 2, you could also send a letter in night 1.
2. If you can send a letter in night 1, even as scum, there's no reason for you not to do so.
3. If shos confirms you have sent a letter to him in N2, he also confirms you have sent a letter in N1.
4. Nobody alive claims having received a letter. This means you did in fact send a letter to elleheathen.
5. There's no way you would send a letter to elleheathen, just to kill her that same night.

I'm not following you because I don't need to.

I guess MAlakittens can do it to whomever she wants, but she does have to do something. She has to ensure her action is confirmable, either through shos, or through the person she's doing it to. If she can't present an action after tonight that somehow confirms her, she's still in the lynchpool. As town she should have no interest in being there.

I'm following bv after POE. There's no sense in following you, Ghostlin or shos. There's no sense in following Malakittens because shos is already tracking her. bv310 is the only one left.

[Lord Mhork]

I thought you wanted to follow me because you were worried about someone blocking grim and killing Shos. Isn't that a gaping hole in your plan?

[The Grim Reaper]

Ah yeah. I forgot about that hole.

Okay, then I follow you instead.

*cough*

[penguin_alien]

A game full of schemes, a game full of fun...
I'm modding, so I cannot run!

With seven alive, it takes four to lynch!

Vote Count 2.06

Lord Mhork (L-3): shos
Malakittens (L-4):
mastin2 (L-2): Lord Mhork, Ghostlin
bv310 (L-4):
Ghostlin (L-4):
shos (L-4):
Grimgroove (L-3): mastin2

Not voting: bv310, Malakittens, Grimgroove

V/LA:

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-04 00:21:24)

[Grimgroove]

VOTE: mastin

[Malakittens]

I really don't know if its Mastin. Going by posts and everything I don't think he's scum, but his claim really felt similar to the claim back in a micro when he replaced a scum slot. /:

[shos]

Wow, so many walls. Ill catch up tonight i hope, sorry.

[Grimgroove]

I really don't know if its Mastin. Going by posts and everything I don't think he's scum, but his claim really felt similar to the claim back in a micro when he replaced a scum slot. /:

Link please.

[shos]

I havent read up but, from the amount of content by mhork looks like he REAAAAAAAALLLLLLY does not want to be lynched. At our position, even a sub optimal lynch is ok. Mhork, show me a scum loss where you were lynched please.

[Grimgroove]

shos, what do you think of this plan in case we lynch mastin and he'd flip town?

Ghostlin protects shos.
Mhork sends letter to shos.
shos tracks Malakittens (is a given)
Malakittens does what she does to whoever she wants, but she needs to do it.
Grimgroove follows Mhork.


The thing is, we can't really do this plan in mastin's case after a Mork-lynch. His role, if true, would make things too complicated, given if it's true we know scum has the same ability as he does in a way (roleblocking), so there will never be a way to be certain that it was mastin blocking someone and not scum, or scum blocking mastin etc. My head hurts even thinking about it.

[shos]

Anyone considered 3rd party existence?

That plan doesnt really do anything.

Mhorks role imo is useless and can belong to scum even uf he isnt lying.

Mala, please claim, itll truly truly help.

Ghostlin is conf by mastin.
I am conf by mala and mala is conf by me.

We need malas claim to plan the night.

[Grimgroove]

Anyone considered 3rd party existence?

No, because absolutely nothing in this game points to their existence. Don't overcomplicate things.

If Mhork sends you a letter it DOES confirm him as town. I refer to the logic presented above.

You are conf by the topic. How did Mala conf you?

[Grimgroove]

Ah yes, by agreeing she didn't go anywhere.

[Malakittens]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=25356

[Lord Mhork]

If a sun optimal lynch works, Shos, then why not shoot for optimal with mastin?

And I can't link right now nor for several hours. You're welcome to look yourself though.

And duh I don't want to get lynched, but that's just meta. I hate being lynched. It's null.

[shos]

Because we are having a hard time dexiding what actually is optimal.