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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:42 pm
by Lost Butterfly
In post 722, ProHawk wrote:
In post 721, Lost Butterfly wrote:i mean the self vote is literally the nullest thing possible
Not from my experience.
well he self votes every game regardless of his alignment, so.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:43 pm
by Lost Butterfly
In post 147, Harakiri wrote:Well, I assumed neighborizer wasn't popular, so we advertised it and went all-in on getting it. Sadly, 90 was not enough. Who would have thought Neighborizer so popular...
^^ I didn't really like this on an ISO admittedly because it seemed...slimy? it sounded kinda fake

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:45 pm
by Lost Butterfly
In post 336, Harakiri wrote:Actually more than a single person will understand it, the "Nacho knows why" Is a reference to how I always sheep Nacho on D1.
I meanI certainly don't find this type of vote disavowal scummy?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:53 pm
by ProHawk
While you are looking at personality/probability, you fail to realize the scum-benefit in sheeping.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:01 pm
by Lost Butterfly
???

Are you a robot or something? If she does actually do this in every game then how can it possibly be actually scummy?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:01 pm
by Lost Butterfly
I mean I find it irritating, but that's about it.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:10 pm
by 1baldeagle1
Hermy is just probably a noob (no offence), and I can tell by the tone of it, because not too long ago, I wasn't really that good at mafia. But the fact she voted for Voided made me like it because she was helping us get a lynch quickly.

Also @LB, according to your logic about my problem with a flash wagon with 1.5 days left, then you would have no problem with voting for Voided in which there were ALREADY 4 FUCKING VOTES ON HIM.

Can we please just lynch Voided? It just seems like you guys are making the perfect opportunity for scum to hop on the newbie lynch, I know that because it happened to me before.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:12 pm
by Lost Butterfly
I'm glad you've improved :]

I'm not sure why you think the deadline is preventing me voting Voided? It's my lack of desire to vote Voided that's preventing the switch.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:14 pm
by Nero Cain
Butterfly, what is your experience with Hana?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:15 pm
by Lost Butterfly
I've read some of her games; why?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:19 pm
by Nero Cain
You are telling me that she does this sheeping thing every game so it sounded like you've played with her before.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:21 pm
by Harakiri
I'm going to trust Nacho/Empire for the time being

Unvote
Vote: Hermy


Besides iirc this guy self-voted during LyLo as town.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:23 pm
by Lost Butterfly
In post 735, Nero Cain wrote:You are telling me that she does this sheeping thing every game so it sounded like you've played with her before.
I assume she didn't just straight up lie about something that she could be contradicted about by the very player she said it about?

I mean, I'm working under the assumption she's not an idiot which seems fair?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:29 pm
by Nero Cain
In post 737, Lost Butterfly wrote:
In post 735, Nero Cain wrote:You are telling me that she does this sheeping thing every game so it sounded like you've played with her before.
I assume she didn't just straight up lie about something that she could be contradicted about by the very player she said it about?

I mean, I'm working under the assumption she's not an idiot which seems fair?
Fair 'nuff I suppose but mindlessly sheeping is utterly terrible and if she does this every game we are supposed to just randomly guess their alignment?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:31 pm
by Harakiri
As I said I usually sheep him D1, after D1 he's usually the first person to get NK'd, if he's still alive D2 is when I then try to figure out his alignment while analyzing his logic.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:33 pm
by ProHawk
Because if he is town, he can't possibly be wrong amirite Hara?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:38 pm
by Nero Cain
If you usually sheep Nacho, what do you do in a game without Nacho?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:59 pm
by Harakiri
In post 741, Nero Cain wrote:If you usually sheep Nacho, what do you do in a game without Nacho?
In those games I don't sheep Nacho D1.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:01 pm
by Nero Cain
:facepalm:

dayvig:Harakiri

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:53 pm
by Hermy
I'm getting a flashwagon for bad wording. Nice.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:55 pm
by zMuffinMan
prohawk wrote:Not really a fan of any of the lead wagons, however I could get on a Harakiri lynch.
who do you actually think is scum, then?

i don't think harakiri is scum. or at least, i haven't seen anything that suggests they are scum. the fact that the nati half hasn't even attempted to buddy anyone yet, and is being rather reserved in his reads on nacho, ffery and myself after a few recently finished games, is a point in their favour, i think.
baldy wrote:But the fact she voted for Voided made me like it because she was helping us get a lynch quickly.
what would you have expected hermy to do differently as scum?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:17 pm
by morph the cat
Nacho, you played Newbie 1409. Are you seeing Hermy's play here as significantly different from her early play in that game?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:23 pm
by morph the cat
UNVOTE

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:33 pm
by Lord Mhork
Uh... I guess I'm considering voting Hermy, though I don't really like how the wagon came out of nowhere >.<

More thoughts tomorrow after I sleep and whatnot.

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:50 pm
by Voidedmafia
In post 680, Hermy wrote:It's late and I'm way too tired to post truly useful stuff. But if anybody wants my opinions on anything then I'll be happy to give them.

For now, a tentative VOTE: voidedmafia
For reasons that have pretty much been listed. I've seen his gameplay and ISO and voided is marginally scummier than Harakiri. Though at this point both of them could possibly be scum. Though if it has to be one, I'm thinking voided.
Very eager to get me out of the way now that I'm actually a wagon worth considering? I'd be lying if I didn't say that I agree with the wishy-washy calls.

And since you are a new face, I expect you to lay out why you think I'm scum--or rather, lay out what points you think are against me.
In post 686, Hermy wrote:Er... I'd prefer reasons now instead of later...
Same to you.
In post 687, Pyrotechnics wrote:. And really the only person that actually seemed interested in some protown coordination that night was Empire and to a lesser extent Voided.
I don't see how you got "VM was trying to some extent coordinate with the town" from why I advertised EV. I could see where you could get "VM tried to help town", but not coordinate.
In post 688, guille2015 wrote:Ok, I'm going to go read some of this game (Skim really), so, I don't want to read everything. So, can somebody point out the highlights. That will probably speed up my skimming.
What did you advertise and/or bid on/buy, if anything?

What reads can you give within 48 hours?

Of the current wagons (me, hara-kiri, and the upcoming Hermy wagon as of this quote), which would you rather see be ahead by the deadline or be hammered?
In post 705, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:I'm going to resist the urge to call you Hermy's buddy and ask you how those posts could possibly be town?
He's just mad that his VM mislynch is falling through.

Fair question, though.
In post 715, Lost Butterfly wrote:I wouldn't characterise voided as a strong player tammy, he was pretty easy to mislynch in black flag because he has the kind of wall of text style that I'm pretty sure no one reads.
Wait, I thought I got mislynched for more than that? I could've sworn I was wagoned on for, like, believing that Sixty was town when everyone else thought they were scum or something.

(not apologizing for the walls; it's what I have to do to play catch-up most of the time <_<.)
In post 722, ProHawk wrote:Not from my experience.
So explain why it's not null.

And because I'm fairly sure Sakura will harp you on it, explain why it's not null for her specifically to do it (omg meta ewwwsuck it up.)
In post 742, Harakiri wrote:
In post 741, Nero Cain wrote:If you usually sheep Nacho, what do you do in a game without Nacho?
In those games I don't sheep Nacho D1.
This is just lolworthy. Nero, feel bad for yourself.
In post 744, Hermy wrote:I'm getting a flashwagon for bad wording. Nice.
There's a difference between bad wording and being wishy-washy. Bad wording is often bad wording. Wishy-washy is flip-flopping and being noncommittal. You'll learn for next game.

Vote: Hermy.


I think that's about L-3 or so.