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It's certainly more scumsided than townsided, and that's something I don't think you are getting, F-16.

Why don't you vote Pitoli, T-Bone?

Waiting for Pitoli to come back. He said he's been busy, I'm not going to lynch him without giving him a chance.

Okay, we have 29 hours.

Gah, 10 pages to catch up with
andd go

First reread thoughts: everytime Bulbazak says something along the lines of "If I were scum, why I be pushing Pitoli?" makes me feel really uneasy now that he is pushing me. (And I haven't finished reading the recent case on me, just kind of skimmed through to get a rough idea).

See, I got so paranoid of F-16 that Bulba's sudden switch to townreading me looked genuine (which a lot of you didn't/don't agree with); but it's the backslide into scumreading me that looks contrived.

As of page 24 yeah I could vote him.

And I said I was going to try playing a less self-centered game smh

This thread needs more of you Nacho. I see you online. Wanna come and talk?

Of course!

Okay, so who are the scum now? I am strongly leaning towards it being Purple Rose being one of them. 669 and 711 in particular seem like posts meant purely to discredit rather than anything sincere.

Feeling better about my Pitoli vote.

F-16, vote Pitoli with me. If she's not scum, feel free to lynch me tomorrow.

Tempting
I'm not comfortable with a pitoli lynch.
Not yet, anyway.

Why not?

In post 734, Bulbazak wrote:If she's not scum, feel free to lynch me tomorrow.

I hear this so often in games and it pings every time ><

Deadline is about 24 hours away. I want your lynch. End of story.

In post 722, T-Bone wrote:#1 Possibly.

Stop trolling me, please.

In post 722, T-Bone wrote:#2 I am expecting more than it just coming out of nowhere. As you've quoted and I stated, I find that ETL is changing his reads because it's convenient, rather than coming from a protown mindset.

But that read didn't come out of nowhere. F-16 scumread started to degrade, ETL started pushing on someone who wasn't posting much content. If you're talking about convenient read switches, I think you'll find a much better case on Bulbazak.

In post 722, T-Bone wrote:#4 The agenda is simple. Find something, anything that will stick and provide a lynch. His reads aren't coming from a protown mindset in my opinion. They are erratic, crass, and just plain opportunistic. F-16 was town because other people were calling him town. Then ETL had an opportunity to call him scum because others started to. This read isn't evolving. His read on TPR is the same. He is changing his reads in hope of pushing a lynch through. That's not coming from a town mindset. That's a scum mindset to get a lynch through with very little cause. These are my problems with ETL in this game. While I hesitate to call anyone else scum because I can see somethings that come from a protown mindset there is NOTHING from ETL's play that reads to me as coming from a protown mindset.

What do you think of ETL's push on you when there are juicy Bulbazak and pitoli wagons she can hop on?

In post 724, Bulbazak wrote:very little town motivation to stating a willingness to be investigated, simply because town would know that action would prevent the cop from finding scum that night

PoisonIvy wrote: However i have no qualms about being investigated were someone to have the given ability and felt uneasy about my presence.

From Cold War Mafia, couple years ago. I remember this because people made a giant ordeal about PoisonIvy saying this and called it a scumtell back then, but if a townie feels that they might be mislynched, there's nothing wrong with saying they don't mind if a cop investigates them so chances are elsewhere. Yes, cop investigating you means that cop isn't investigating scum, but the town lynching you also means that the town isn't lynching scum, and a plead like that is generally trying to avoid being mislynched. You also haven't responded at all to pitoli's claim that she was responding to your daycop joke, which he brought up in #723.

In post 724, Bulbazak wrote:To put it simply, by requesting an investigation, Pitoli has guaranteed that a cop would probably never scan her, and if he did, an innocent result on her would never be trusted, thus resulting in a wasted investigation.

I also don't know what you mean by this.

In post 733, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Okay, so who are the scum now? I am strongly leaning towards it being Purple Rose being one of them. 669 and 711 in particular seem like posts meant purely to discredit rather than anything sincere.

Bulbazak and TPR is what I'm working with right now. TiP's push on TPR makes it look like they aren't scum together, and Bulba's push on TiP makes them look like scum together. T-Bone's play has been... strange (I'll get into what bothered me most after he responds) and he would totally work as a TiP buddy so there's paranoia there as well.

In post 734, Bulbazak wrote:F-16, vote Pitoli with me. If she's not scum, feel free to lynch me tomorrow.

You didn't learn your lesson after Wisdom's push on you?

TIP strikes me as town in a way that I can't put my finger on. I'm puzzled because he seems less trolly this game, but even though he's never been analysis-heavy I don't think I've seen him in another game where he was so much in the periphery. Need more interactions with him if I can manage them, tomorrow.

In post 739, sangres wrote: You also haven't responded at all to pitoli's claim that she was responding to your daycop joke, which he brought up in #723.

I bought it initially. I'm not so sure now.

In post 739, sangres wrote:

In post 724, Bulbazak wrote:To put it simply, by requesting an investigation, Pitoli has guaranteed that a cop would probably never scan her, and if he did, an innocent result on her would never be trusted, thus resulting in a wasted investigation.

I also don't know what you mean by this.

What cop in their right mind would investigate someone who is asking to be investigated? That's just begging for WIFOM. Therefore, it'd be a waste of an investigation.

In post 739, sangres wrote:

In post 734, Bulbazak wrote:F-16, vote Pitoli with me. If she's not scum, feel free to lynch me tomorrow.

You didn't learn your lesson after Wisdom's push on you?

I recall being right about Elyse, though. I'm learning to trust my gut a bit more, and while my head sees reasons that Pitoli might be town, my gut is screaming otherwise. I just know that if I don't handle this now, it will come back to bite me later.

@ Bulbazak, why are you feeling better about your Pitoli vote after her comments? Also, you know that townies ask to be investigated. That's another reason I am not comfortable with your push. Nacho's example seems to be a good one.

@ Nacho, well I was hoping you would help me narrow down the pool to less than 4 players. But that is what I was thinking as well, except I find TPR much more suspicious than Bulbazak. TPR/T-Bone could work as a scumteam but I am not sure. How sure are you about Bulbazak? Is this read coming mostly from ffery or from you? Also, can you provide the link for the game you mentioned where the townie asked to be investigated?

Normally I think T-Bone would be in my townpile about now but not today.

T-Bone's been pushing ETL since his entrance and as everybody has already said, they just can't picture what scum would have to gain from that. Isn't that the point though? Scum aren't going to make moves they will overtly profit from. I'm very suspicious of T-Bone and people should be more discerning of him. Pushing a lynch on ETL who's definitely not getting lynched today - yes that seems counterintuitive to scum, but not if the potential towncred earned outweighs the lost voting power.

3 more pages to go

In post 736, Bulbazak wrote:Why not?

It's worth keeping her for a day or two

^ what the hell

TIP, you seem certain that Purple Rose is scum. You are saying you want to "keep Pitoli around for a day or two" implying that you probably want her lynched too. What is your theory on who the scumteam are? Yet, The Purple Rose was pushing on Pitoli hardest which makes it unlikely that they are scum together.

What exactly do you mean "keep her around for a day or two" anyway?

I don't think TIP's calling the team, I think he just wants more time to sort me?

In post 745, pitoli wrote:^ what the hell

Jealous

In post 746, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:TIP, you seem

very

certain that Purple Rose is scum. You are saying you want to "keep Pitoli around for a day or two" implying that you probably want her lynched too. What is your theory on who the scumteam are? Yet, The Purple Rose was pushing on Pitoli hardest which makes it unlikely that they are scum together.

What exactly do you mean "keep her around for a day or two" anyway?

Actually Purple Rose is back to null so yeah
Eventually I want to lynch pitoli but I want him to give more relation tells if he's scum

There are less than 24 hours left. I'd like your thoughts on Bulbazak and Pitoli today and who you find scummier. It seems unlikely that anyone else will get lynched today.