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In post 723, Yates wrote:How hard was that?

No harder than the time before when you asked the question and I answered it already. Y'know, like, last page?

In post 723, Yates wrote:Not to jump the gun here but you realize that your "case" on Yiley applies to cxi as well, right?

You do realize I'm hammer intent on Cxi, right?

In post 723, Yates wrote:They may as well be the same slot. So you realize a cxi scumflip will look very bad for you, right?

No, worse than a Tiley one would for you - actually that would look worse than what I've done with Cxi so...meh, there's no point to this, is there? You're just making random noise.

In post 723, Yates wrote:Also, I'm kind pf perturbed that I just got suckered into defending a slot I could very well end up voting for tomorrow if Yiley doesn't step up his game. So thanks for putting me in that situation.

What about Antihero? Y'know, that slot you find more scummy than Yiley?

In post 723, Yates wrote:When did you ask me for a bullet point on Antihero? Post 451? Because my opinion on the slot can actually be gleaned from a simple ISO - where I responded to your question in post 451:

I asked you, and have been asking you, why Antihero is *worse* than Yiley.
Which was your stance that started this whole discussion and is a question you appear unable to answer despite giving me grief for thinking the other way.
You do realize you could have gleaned that by scanning...your own ISO.

In post 723, Yates wrote:There's a time and place for snark - you're misusing it here.

It's my self defense mechanism to boredom/annoyance.

In post 725, Thor665 wrote:I asked you, and have been asking you, why Antihero is *worse* than Yiley.

I guess you missed this?

In post 723, Yates wrote:When did you ask me for a bullet point on Antihero? Post 451? Because my opinion on the slot can actually be gleaned from a simple ISO - where I responded to your question in post 451:

In post 499, Yates wrote:

In post 451, Thor665 wrote:...feels like we ought to get the explanation of this one.

Meh. Juice isn't worth the squeeze with a different player in.

Bottom line, Smudger was misrepping like crazy [hence my hint that he did it again]. 409 looks like a

possible

soft defense of Zak. Not sure the motivation behind that.

The other thing that's weird is the way the two of you interact.

And we both know you aren't averse to bussing early. So that has me a little concerned about Thor-scum at this point. Not concerned enough that I can build a case but concerned enough that I would expect you to see some night action of SOME kind tonight...

For clarity, Anithero is the new Smudger.

See how that read was consolidated and easy to understand?

And in the very next post in my ISO I address some of my other reads pretty clearly.

In post 502, Yates wrote:I'm giving Antihero some time to settle in to the Smudger slot and clean that up. I wasn't super convinced of Smudger-scum, but I didn't like his ego or the weirdness he brought to the game.

...

Yiley is another one that reads weird but needs to post.

I'm thinking about letting him live today but really only for the hammer vote. I'm not saying he's Town because of the hammer but if scum, he's at least scared and easily manipulated into selling out his team.

I'm wary of Thor. Nothing more to say about that at this point. But, again, he's not in my day 2 lynch pool.

The only update on the Smudger/Antihero slot is that Antihero hasn't done anything to improve the slot - something I recently stated here. So it remains a weak scum read.

To sum up - Antihero is worse than Yiley because:
1. Smudger slot was scummy
2. Antihero has not improved the slot
3. Yiley looks derp
4. Yiley at least hammered

In post 704, cxinlee wrote:I essentially gave up when I figured there was no way I'm actually living through today. And Thor threatened to hammer.


What would model town have done in this situation (Pls don't say, get reads, or something along that)?

Done things.

Give me an hour or so, I'll be back.

In post 726, Yates wrote:To sum up - Antihero is worse than Yiley because:
1. Smudger slot was scummy
2. Antihero has not improved the slot
3. Yiley looks derp
4. Yiley at least hammered

That's pretty weak, especially for my angle since a chunk of your Smudger=teh scumz is based on interactions with my slot.

Also, the Yiley slot *is* scummy. He is blatant prod dodge playing. Lurking is null, prod dodging is scum play.

Okay, back, starting to look at smargaret.

In post 704, cxinlee wrote: What would model town have done in this situation?

borkjerfkin wrote:you don't like getting suspicion levied on you? cowboy the fuck up and put the time in to get that read reversed.

This better be really exciting.
I'm standing by to hammer.

You probably got...30 minutes to an hour. Then I'm going to go get food.

To clarify - I like to hammer before I get food.

In post 713, Thor665 wrote:I disagree about the janitor thing.

Let's look at this case...
1. I'll agree that's silly. Why is it scummy as opposed to silly? Even as scum she probably thinks that makes sense as a scum tell.
2. Does she normally have them as town? This is a good point if she does.
3. I personally find OMGUS a playstyle reaction more than a scummy one, but will accept this as a decent support point.
4. I consider that in line with my experience with her - do you know something I don't?

So, really, the way I see it, #1 and #4 to me don't even qualify as reasons to think she's scum.
#2 is a good point, but I have not the meta awareness there to see it as a scumtell.
#3 is a partial case.

Can you back up #2?

re. #1 - it feels like she was annoyed Zekrom was caught so early and was actually lashing out against me for it
#2 - see below.
#3 - also on me, actually, but I agree it's not anything near a smoking gun.
#4- doing it to the degree that she is, I do have a problem, yes. it feels like she's shit-scared of you and is worrying she's gonna step out of line, so imitates you to the hilt.

this is a fucking joke. I've been metaing her past 3 games, there have been like 12 lynches altogether and she hasn't been on exactly one.

None of her games were as scum, so this isn't decisively pro-her either, but I got nothing. fuck this, apologies for holding y'all up.

go ahead and hammer, his reads aren't coming any day. I'll do it if you want.

Wow Thor please stop procastinating the hammer. Its torturing.

Ok final reads:

Town:
Thor
TSO (Particularly his read on Zekrom was similar to mine, so he comes of as genuine to me)
Yiley
Smagaret
Null Town:
Antihero
Scum:
Penguin_alien (Xscorpion was just awks, push on #278/#280 was just really poor and had no apparent town motivation behind it. Then the pressure vote was terribad.)
Yates (Not reading properly, comes off as scum trying to discredit me without analysing posts carefully)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5445446

the one lynch he wasn't on, Arc's #875.

I will agree that feels like a scum reply from Cxin, but I'm happy to get it.
If Cxin is scum well...I'm obv. town, sadly enough. Big whoop. Only one of Penguin or Yates is scum, decent to know, especially the way I'm feeling about Yates. And, painfully, Yiley probably is too.
Pere not being on the list...well, fills my usual attitude about that one.

Stop.


Mjolnir time.

I'm essentially confirmed town now

Tso, you agree on my reads?

In post 741, cxinlee wrote:I'm essentially confirmed town now

So...what are you planning to do with that, if anything?

strike a conversation, maybe.

Pere, Bulba, and myself aren't on that list.

Rule of 3?

In post 722, Thor665 wrote:@Antihero - Well, Pengy hopped on that one before I could...so, please just respond to her, I agree with her angle of attack.

Really? She conveniently left out this quote:

In post 627, Antihero wrote:

In post 625, Thor665 wrote:@Antihero - do you see the Bulb wagon picking up traction today, when and how?

Since you declined, probably not.

I'm tempted to change my vote to jello man just because of how

annoyingly bad his play has been so far, but that's not really a good reason

.

Scorp was kind of scummy. Also, penny is quick to dream up a "case" linking jello man and I while ignoring Zekrom's (you know, the scum) interactions.

you three are null, bro,.

In post 95, smargaret wrote:cxinlee is massively antitown. Post content or don't post, but posting just for the sake of hearing yourself type is essentially doing the prod dodge thing. Scorpion is town.

If one of the thor/porkens/bulbazak mess or zekrom is scum, then the other one isn't - I don't see scum trying to distract from distancing like that. Actually, if thor/porkens/bulbazak are town,then zek probably is too because scum want mislynches, and those don't happen if scum draw attention to themselves by blatantly not commenting.

That said, wtf? RVS is not inherently protown.

VOTE: cxin. Have opinions. Express them.

PV - the explanation of my zek town read.

I feel really uneasy about BRO. I'm not sure why yet.