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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:47 am

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Bertrands lurking on his claim is noted.

I am the nurse/backup doctor. That's mainly why I wanted to claim first today.
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:17 am

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I am pretty sure bertrand is scum. I highly doubt a VitaminR Patrick scumgoup, so VitaminR is clearly town. SV is most probably Town, making it Patrick, me and bertrand left for 2 scum places. First though, bertrand must claim so that we don't miss anything.
Should VitaminR or Patrick clarify if they can self-protect?
If they can then a TheEyeOfMordor lynch is proper, as the scum will have to guess who the doc will protect. That is a 50-50 chance for a Town vs Mafia victory if I am Town.
If I am scum ofcourse then the Town wins. But first I want bertrand to claim before we do any lynching.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:45 am

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Not too sure I can follow the logic in that post, but for now I think it's best not to discuss whether or not self protects are possible.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:49 am

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I want to wait until bertrand claims before making too many theories, but your last post seems to contradict itself in certain places. You say that it's me, you and bertrand to fill 2 scum places (suggesting we're in lylo), but then you say that lynching you is clearly correct if the doc can self protect. If you're town and 2 scum exist, then lynching you loses. Please clarify what you're saying.
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:51 am

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I was thinking the doc could save the Mafia kill but then it actually is 2 scum vs 2 town.
I was thinking that town could lynch scum but that obviously isn't possible.
So my logic is actually flawed in that aspect.
I have actually been in a similar situation before with a similarly horrible claim and there I believe, and still do that if the town intends to lynch me then get it done as quickly as possible. Scum will want to draw the whole thing out so they will have a garunteed survival if it would come to that(Flawed Townie claim vs last scum).
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:40 pm

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Geez, have you guys brought it home for the town yet?
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:48 am

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lol. Hi PWS.
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:44 am

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bertrand has been prodded by your devoted freezer attendant.
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:54 am

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I forgot about this game, with modding a game and such. Sorry.

I'm a double voter.

I can go back and show where I hinted at it, or demonstrate if necessary.

I'm not sure demonstrating is safe at this stage though.
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:59 am

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Show it.
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:43 am

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No shortage of surprises here.

Are you saying everytime you vote it counts double? Will DGB count it double but not include it on the votecount?
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:47 am

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I meant show the breadcrumb, not demonstrate it. Have you done it before?
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:45 am

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Interesting, very interesting.
I highly doubt a scum double voter, that feels like overkill.
The only case I have ever seen of that was a SK who could double vote when he doesn't kill.
But the real problem is that bertrand cannot really double vote somebody without danger of killing Town.
If bertrand is a double voter Patrick is near 100% scum IMO.
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:10 pm

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You're pretty much all over the place TEOM. Before you said that bertrand was almost certainly scum, without giving reasons. Now I'm almost certainly scum suddenly, no reasons again.

I do agree that it might be difficult to get a test out of bertrand in possible lylo. We'll wait for him to explain how it works a little better. I doubt scum would have a double voter, unless he were the last scum left. If there are two scum with one as double voter we're hosed anyway.
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:28 pm

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I have twio votes. I have never used the second one.

I can put both on one person, or one each on two people, etc.
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:34 pm

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Would you use it by posting 'second vote: XXX ' in the thread, or do you PM the mod and have it as like a mystery vote that can move around?
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:43 pm

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I was thinking bertrand was probably scum but if he is telling the truth about being a double voter then I doubt it. There will be a proper test of him if I can figure out if VitaminR can selfprotect.
If he can then my plan from earlier works as long as VitaminR can selfprotect and is Town. If VitaminR and Patrick are both scum then I think we have lost.
Basicly the plan works like this. Somebody votes me. bertrand doublehammers me. This must be done at lynch-2 which I believe to be after 1 vote. That is the best way of proving bertrands towniness. Then we go to Night, with 2 Town and probably 2 scum. If VitaminR can outWifom the Mafia during the Night then nobody will have died(Ofcourse if VitaminR is Mafia then we lose). The Patrick is lynched, and VitaminR protects bertrand during the night. If the mob is still alive then, lynch spectrumvoid.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:55 pm

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Betrand: please point out where you hinted at it.

I agree that TEOM's recent posts have been all over the place.
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:35 am

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I agree that if bertrand is a double voter, he is probably town.

I am thinking TEOM and Patrick. I'd like to see the breadcrumb, though.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:46 am

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I'm not scum.

I can't imagine TEOM being town. His last post was confusing again. He suggested his own lynch which once again I can't see him doing if he's town. Once again he seems to not realise that if he's town and gets lynched and 2 scum exist, the game is over straight away. I'll wait to hear from bertrand again though. I think there might be something in the plan of having one vote on TEOM, and having bertrand use a double vote on him and hammer him. I think that would pretty much confirm bertrand.

My guess is TEOM is just flailing around trying to get something out of Vitamin as to whether or not he's a self protecting doc. In any case he's not making much sense to me.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:41 am

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If bertrand can double vote then a 2 vs 2 endgame does not have to be won for scum, as far as I know. His extra vote means that Town will have a majority of votes then, right?
However, in order for my plan to work, there would either have to be 1 scum or a Patrick and spectrumvoid group. Somehow I am not so sure about that.
If VitaminR cannot selfprotect then a Patrick lynch is better then a TheEyeOfMordor lynch.
The only way he isn't scum(assuming bertrand is a 2x voter) is for me and spectrumvoid to be together, which would mean 2 docs. I highly doubt that. Ergo, Patrick is probably scum. Ofcourse if we decide on a Patrick lynch then bertrand would doublehammah, to prove himself.
So far here are the roles known
1x Traitor
1x Scum Blocker
1x Diva(I am guessing neutral, maybe a SK type in a similar fashion as Thesp in UPick)
1x Flavour Cop(I am thinking just namecop here)
1x Cop
1x 1-shot vig
1x Townie

Roles claimed
1x Doc
1x Backup Doc
1x Townie
1x Vengeful Townie(Day 1)
1x Double Voter(provable)

Somehow 2 docs and 2 cops do not feel right with me. We are probably dealing with a Godfather, and probably another Mafia as well.
Could somebody some up the flavour claims again?
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:02 am

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TEOM wrote:If bertrand can double vote then a 2 vs 2 endgame does not have to be won for scum, as far as I know. His extra vote means that Town will have a majority of votes then, right?
I'm not so sure about this. Most games that I've played just end when the town no longer has the majority.
TEOM wrote:If VitaminR cannot selfprotect then a Patrick lynch is better then a TheEyeOfMordor lynch.
I'm not sure how you've worked this one out. There won't be a tomorrow if I'm lynched today. I think that Vitamin should not reveal whether or not he can self protect.

Your reasoning to lynch me is wack. I wanted to claim first because I knew there was a doc in the game. I'm still kind of regretting not just doing that, but I went with the procedure. Two docs is ABSOLUTELY NOT unbalanced here. Look at what we've seen:
Cop (unknown sanity, could have been paranoid or naive for all we know)
Flavour finder (useful)
1 shot vig (very weak)
Deva (I assumed town, but you're suggesting neutral)
Townie (very weak obv)

Against that so far we have:
Mafia Traitor (Unclear about the exact role, probably investigation immune before being recruited would be my guess).
Mafia Roleblocker (strong)
And probably 2 more scum with god knows what special abilities/perks. Probably a GF in here somewhere.

To me, that's not looking like an overpowered town at all, especially if mol wasn't even town.

I feel you are trying to blag the town into lynching me and trying to sneak through to a win that you absolutely do not deserve. You're a scumbucket, and later today I'll probably read back and demonstrate exactly why. I haven't done anything scummy at all, if you think I have then bring it up here and I'll shoot it down. There's no way you are going to use me as your lynchbait after what I've put into this game.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:09 am

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TheEyeOfMordor wrote:The only way he isn't scum(assuming bertrand is a 2x voter) is for me and spectrumvoid to be together, which would mean 2 docs.
The same goes for you really. If you aren't scum, then it's Patrick and SV. I find that hard to believe too.

For me, that just leaves the question of which is more likely: a vengeful townie or a back-up doc?

Back-up doc is a typical scum claim. Patrick did want to claim first which is a point in his favour, but assuming a doc would be out there is not really that big a risk to take.

I'm not sure about the argument that his role makes the town too powerful. Even without it, we have a fairly powerful town. MeMe could have been a limited cop, but it's still true. Although we don't really know what the mafia has in terms of abilities and the one scum we lynched did have a fairly strong ability.

I don't like TEOM's role claim at all. The flavour is terrible, it fits the scum flavours we have and your role is unverifiable and fairly useless.

I don't think the choice really matters, though. I'm fairly convinced you're both scum.

I would like to hear from bertrand first, though. If he can't back it up, double voter is a pretty good scum claim in this situation.
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:36 am

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I don't really find the town overpowered, I think it's probably a power heavy game for both sides. It's not as if Backup Doc is such a strong role anyway because everyone starts saying 'hmm typical scum claim'. I generally have a policy of not lying when pro town though.
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:38 am

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*pokes betrand*

I think Patrick is pro-town. My reason is simple: I haven't seen him exhibit scum-tells.
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